I don't get Buddhism

Then we think about this differently. Given the context above there are those who will insist that the husband has a moral obligation to his wife. They might cite God or the Golden Rule or one or another deontological assessment of human interactions. They might quote some ideological manifesto or claim that it is natural to behave in certain ways. They might link rationality and morality as any number of philosophers have down through the ages.

But the bottom line is that for one or another reason the husband is morally obligated to respond to her calls. And, if he chooses not to, he will be punished. By God. By those mere mortals who learn of his behavior and shun him, reject him, evict him or even beat the shit out of him.

What I focus in on instead is why, in any particular context, the man chooses to do what he did. When others might choose something else. How is that related to the particular sequence of experiences, relationships and access to ideas in his life that predisposed him to act in a way that another’s collection of existential variables do not. And, given all of the different historical, cultural and experiential contexts there have been down through the ages, is there a way for philosophers to pin down the most rational behavior or the only rational behavior.

As you point out, given sufficient reason, ignoring the wife can easily be rationalized by any particular individual in any particular set of circumstances. That’s the whole point of moral objectivism – to make situational ethics go away. Some through God and religion, some through No God and religion.

Why don’t you stick to noting the distinctions these folks are likely to make given the context you noted above.

Ditto regarding my reaction to that above. We think about these things differently. It’s just that the way I think about them leaves me “fractured and fragmented” in a way that either does or does not resonate with you.

Ought I to respond to someone’s cries for help? Am I obligated to as a rational and virtuous human being? Even in a No God world? That’s all buried in dasein, conflicting goods and whatever the consequences might be when others react to the behavior that “I” do choose.

The rest is basically just you taunting me, for, among other things, not being able to follow your simple arguments. Me being “dumb just to torture you”. Me being the “asshole”, here.

And, then, of course, what I suspect is behind that.

Indeed, there is only so far that words can go in describing enlightenment, karma, reincarnation and Nirvana.

On the other hand, once they have served their inherently circumscribed purpose, what then is left by way of demonstrating they are in fact ultimately real things.

Especially when, in acting out what you think they mean by the behaviors you choose, those behaviors themselves come into conflict with the idealized choices of others.

Let alone going beyond words to make the stuff after we die more tangible.

Mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers.

Seriously, do you actually imagine this is a substantive response to the points I raised?

Question: One could say… how do you differentiate Knowing from Non-doubt, to reach that state of unlimitedness?

Answer: It’s all in the Practise?

Why? because there are no short-cuts… your path, becoming a life-long objective to stay on, once that point of inquisitive-no-return has been reached.

A path is formed by walking on it.

…every step forming the path behind, making way for what lays ahead… the now, future journey, soon to unfold and become a known… the way forward.

Living in the present moment, I know it is a wonderful moment.

All phenomena of being are independent of concepts and words. Concepts and words cannot transform them or separate them from their true nature.

Felix and magsj: before you understand the wisdom of the pathmaker, you must answer this question.

What is the sound of one leg walking?

When a foolish man hears of the Path, he laughs out loud. If he didn’t laugh, it wouldn’t be the Path.

Pearls before swine. But then, I think shifting over to non-discursive is peachy. people were certainly not ‘getting Buddhism’ by hallucinating in long sentences about things they have no experience of.

Maybe we should become familiarized with the fundamentals before we attempt to discuss it responsibly.

Love JP Sears.

Once you are on your path, your path will start leading you to where you need to go.

Well that was fun, while it lasted,

@Prom: as opposed to one hand clapping? and what a ridiculous rumination that one was. 8-[ Regardless of that, I’ll go with option b).

There’s actually some nice critique in there not only of the bizzarre ways people use a belief system to further their old habits, but also a nice critiques of Buddhism itself.

Okay, now connect the dots between this observation, Buddhism [as you “get” it] and, say, the coronavirus pandemic. As this relates to your understanding of karma and enlightenment on this side of the grave. As that relates to your understanding of reincarnation and Nirvana on the other side of it.

Criticize me for ever and always going in this direction, but that reflects my own actual interest in both religion and philosophy.

Morality here and now, immortality there and then.

Ah, this must explain why we get no actual response from you regarding my two most recent posts above in which, in some detail, I took the time to respond to your points.

All phenomena of being are independent from the dots, Buddhism, the coronavirus pandemic, karma, enlightenment, this side of the grave, reincarnation, Nirvana and the other side of the grave which are all words and/or concepts.

Now we’re talking :slight_smile: