Atheists should shut up!

This reflects the futility of trying to approach religion as though it actually did revolve around being reasonable.

The problem here of course is that the religious folks can always fall back on God working in mysterious ways. Sure, it seems that, over and over again, God is really a rather sadistic son of a bitch. Look at the coronavirus. Or extinction events.

But what can we mere mortals possibly know about “the will of God”.

Besides, only with religion do we attain both immortality and salvation.

It’s God or oblivion, right?

Those edges and boundaries however are merely descriptive as no definition is absolute
Also on balance it is better to have some definition [ even a loose one ] than none at all

[b]I dont know whether or not God exists and I dont like labels

I dont know whether or not God exists and I dont really care
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Iambiguous,

To me, immortality is a given. God has no part in this given, just like god didn’t create a triangle.

It’s been said that the whole point of philosophy is to teach us how to die… I disagree. The whole point is to teach us how to live forever.

The point of philosophy is to make sure that the right type of questions are being asked
But accepting death is certainly something to consider given it will happen to everyone

In other words, if you believe something about God “in your head” that [apparently] need be as far you go by way of demonstrating that it is true.

This, in my view, is predicated either on the manner in which your thinking is derived from what may or may not be a “mental condition”, or you are of sound mind but just another run of mill objectivist.

To have “a point” about immortality is no where near the same thing as being able to show others how, given the things they choose to think, feel, say, and do, will actually result in them living forever.

Believing in immortality does not of course make it true no matter how strong the belief is
But if it is really that strong then you have already convinced yourself that it must be true

It’s basic logic.

If we ever cease to exist in the future, we would cease to exist now, as the we now is a subset of our we forever.

Think about it: YOU die a trillion years from now. That means YOU’D be dead right now as now is a subset of the totality of YOU.

God didn’t create this and god can’t destroy it.

Ummm… Your basic logic depends heavily on your assumptions that YOU have to exist in an afterlife. There just might be a different immortality assuming that YOU cease to exist upon death and yet remain immortal. Every atom, every particle of what was YOU can never be destroyed because all that was YOU is a subset of the universe no matter what forms those atoms may take a trillion years from now. The universe may not recognize any such YOU, only the ebb and flo of energy/material states over billions of years.

It’s basic logic.

I commune with the spirit world everyday, and have for the past 12 years. I know continuity of consciousness exists after.

Actually, I want to expound upon my last post:

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If continuity of consciousness ever dies for YOU!!! You wouldn’t be here right now, as the YOU right now is merely a subset of that continuity of consciousness.

Obviously, if we just become atoms that disperse, we are no longer a continuity of consciousness. Which means that our past is erased as well. But! From that perspective we are in our past right now, and we’re still here.

I don’t think you understand what true death is:

We!!! Never existed!!!

We always pretty much agreed on stuff, don’t see any reason to stop now.

So I’ve had 5 years to mull over what little of the Dao managed to sink into my bones from back in the day. Now the kids have grown up a bit, and my son has read the Dao as well, he turned to me after he’d finished and said “I kinda get it now, why you’ve let me make up my own mind on a lot of stuff, not bullshitted me about the big stuff and not really set a lot of rules. You were being non-coercive.”

I really hadn’t thought about it much to be honest - I’m not really the kind of person to ever have sat down and said to myself, “Hah, now to carry out my plan to raise Daoist superchild.” But seems like that’s what I’ve been doing lol. I can’t take much of the credit, beyond paying attention, not shirking the hard conversational topics, and letting them run and fall on their asses. My kids were always good kids. For which I am eternally grateful.

I really don’t know how to get through to you that your logic is built on sand. I’m sure that you believe in something called “a continuity of consciousness” but forgive me, I and a lot of other folks aren’t convinced based on your say so. When you can summon someone from your spirit world with tangible proof of an afterlife then perhaps I’ll believe as you do. Until then, I’m quite comfortable saying “I don’t know.”

Hopefully, you can see that we are playing the “I say potato, you say…” game. It is the ultimate in futility so I’ll just bow out. Have a nice day.

So sending you that Daoist translation planted a seed. Now, you are stuck with a two-headed alligator. =D> Wonderful! I raised three of 'em and they are whole people who will always be survivors to the bitter end. That’s pretty much all we can ask for. So go ahead and be a proud parent (no bumper stickers on the car). Just remember that the kids grew up as much in spite of us as opposed to because of us…

Continuity of consciousness is an elementary concept.

It’s self evident: you remember that it was YOU who did that when YOU were ten years old.

If YOU ever cease to exist, then the YOU now couldn’t be here, as the YOU now is an extension of the totality.

I know you’re trying to sound clever, as an antagonist, arguing for the sake of arguing itself…

The logic is flawless. It’s also borne of many peoples direct experience (though not yours)

Must admit Ecmandu, I’ve never really gotten a grasp of your - eh can’t even think of a name that fits - theory.

Do you mean somehow that as we age, or if that’s a contextually meaningless concept, move through time, all the past iterations of our consciousness, all those momentary holographic ‘me-nows’ are somehow stored and embodied…? And that our ‘deaths’ or otherwise ‘ceasings to be’ would obviously obliviate these and yet we still constantly experience these me-nows in every moment and from this we must somehow deduce that we can’t possibly have died in some future ‘yet to be’ because we are still here in the present, experiencing me-nows already stored and embodied by some still existent future self…?

Plz more explains plz.

I’ll tell you something about this:

I don’t believe in past incarnations.

I think we are magnets (resonant frequencies) drawing from an infinity of memories that never die.

I think this is a confusion of Buddhism — that our memories of these lives mean that those memories are ours!

In fact, I’m positive of this.

We are each individual “YOUS”

That cannot, nor ever will be taken away from us.

Read my last post!

I’m going to tell you a story you may not believe.

I had a panic disorder that started when I was 16 years old. I had this disorder for 11 years straight. Most people talk about having a panic attack that lasts a few hours a few times a year.

I can tell you! This was not my experience. I had a panic attack 24 hours a day for 365 days of the year for 11 years straight.

Panic attacks make you feel like you are on the verge of death every second.

Is it any wonder that feeling like I was dying all the time, that I declared, “death is my teacher”?

I met death 14 years later. That’s an experience I’ll never forget.

To me, these experiences are illusion and not reality, to me, god and death are just PEOPLE!!!

Death is mean as fuck, but resurrected me 3 times after people murdered me… not god… death resurrected me.

Death liked me because of my teaching that the solution to ethics was to make it as easy to commit suicide and homicide as possible and whoever survives is fit to survive. Actually, death is my best friend.

Like I said, death is a cruel, cruel teacher.

At the ripe age of 43, I have become insanely wise, wise enough to know that death is trying to cause enough of a stir to get god to intervene and send everyone to heaven. That’s why death tortures and torments people. For the greater good.

Now, you must understand again, my perspective is that these beings aren’t embodied archetypes, but just people, people with lots of power, but not enough power to be the non consent violators of existence.

And they know that I know this.

So we have me death and god, me being able to pull the veil on this narrative and say they’re full of shit.

I’ve met every conceivable god, and judged them as all full of shit, and they respect me for teaching them this. Every being likes clarity.

So that’s some of my story that I told you, that you wouldn’t believe.

I was deaths greatest student.

You make these ridiculous claims all the time but you cannot provide any evidence for them
The reason for this is because they are obviously unfalsifiable but I also think they are false

Are you trying to convince yourself or everyone else they are true because if its the latter nobody believes you you know
I would say that the panic attacks you experienced are responsible for the way you are now thinking and no other reason

Prophets are who they are because “nobody believes them”. If I’m a prophet, it’s news to me. I think ALL religion is bullshit!

I’m certainly not trying to make a religion, I’m trying to make hyperdimensional mirror realities, and I’m not promising them here or in the “afterlife”.

If you were astute, you’d realize that earth has been resurrected —- there are many changes that are easy to notice (I call them “Easter eggs” out of the common video game term) — the most obvious one to the entire world is that before the earth was resurrected, Washington D.C. lisence plates correctly read “no taxation without representation”, now they read: “taxation without representation”

I know it’s an ego wound to YOU! That YOU can’t falsify my sentences. I can assure you that it’s not unfalsifiable on a cosmic scale. Death knows that I met death. You currently don’t. You don’t have the tools right now.

The ONLY thing that matters about ANY being is to send ALL beings to non consent violating realities forever and ever and ever.

Anything else is a false god or false prophet.