Yes, that makes sense.
She could not be an object as much as Aguilera or this other Christina -
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z5Mvyp1QHw[/youtube]
Because indeed, she was a pioneer setting a precedent. Though - did it really become a precedent?
Or do the products that we mention deviate too much from what Madonna represents, to be seen as reflections of her Archetype?
So true. The Archetype is complex though.
Can You see Madonna in Britney? They actually implied a hidden feeling for each other , deep kissing on stage.
But even though Britney threw the gauntlet of her sexuality away with forlorn affection, can You see other pioneers in her?
Ginger Rogers , even the strain ranging from as early as the various dumb blondes, with MM framing them with cynical incongruity; MM was a very highly intelligent naive played seductress:
Even Barbarella , the French recreation of Jane Fonda, pushes buttons here.
Barbarella is very stereoscopic with Barbara Eden’s visual pronouncement of a kind of Bowe’ish space oddity.
All of which feed on visual energy, a vampirism of multi dimensional autistic dreamworld , where the audience is multi dimensionally disaffected, from what really is eating his love pathos into mere visual cliches he need not understand.
For it would eat his heart out.
Madonna holds the dubious honor of making the first ablum I ever bought. Think I moved quickly on to eurythmics and annie lennox, which makes me feel better about my teenage self 
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Still think Madonna’s a pretty good artist to be honest, but I always either love one of her songs, or hate the shit out of it - not a lot of middle ground. In her defence, she’s never compromised herself or her principles, though mainly because there has never been very much to compromise.
Fave: youtu.be/gLFWRDsx5AI
Looking back I really miss the 80’s, I never appreciated the music at the time, eh, I was young wotchagonnadoaboutit, but it was an amazingly rich time creatively, so much diversity. And happy happy. Everyone was rich, global warming didn’t exist, AIDS just killed poofs and the tv was racist lol. Innocent times.
Not sure whether she was a femminist icon so much as someone who just didn’t give much of a fuck what people thought of her just so long as they thought of her, and had a keen sense of what sold.
Now You can understand how I feel being the child of the sixties , the eightees is a remorph, of a reform of the vain, wane of the sixties.
Naw it wasn’t an echo dude, it was its own thing because… computers.
Madonna is a computer artist. In that her beats came from the synthesizer kicks and pads and the sequencer.
You seriously cant fuck with the 80s, 1984 is even in the 80s. Ronald Reagan was there. Contras.
She had her time, she made her money, now get the fuck out… what more she want!
Not sure what’s so sensual about Aguilera (particularly the early Aguilera, when she first appeared with that hit single of hers, where she was more of an innocent girl than a sexual object.)
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np_Y740aReI[/youtube]
The year is 1990. Far more sexual than early Aguilera and Spears.
lol okay then
not much love here I see
Well yeah that is a very erotic video. As in, a style. But if you’re going for that type of thing this is infinitely steamier.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f4BwQFF-Os[/youtube]
I was a fan… of not all but of some of her music, but once sex icons start getting old, they need to start rethinking their audience and offerings… so growing old gracefully and being a mature sexpot, lol, as we’ve all seen Whatever Happened To Baby Jane, haven’t we?
Nice to see you laughing btw : )
Both those videos have their (sensual) merit… the only difference between them being age.
I’m quite the fan of this Prince video… it’s both cute and sexy, at the same time.
Cardi B > Madonna
Her ass is a lot bigger, I guess her body mass is too. But do you mean she’s like, better?
Id dispute that.
She’s the only bitch who can be a stripper, a chart topping pop star and a political pseudoscientist all while having little more than a rudimentary grasp of her native language.
There is something to her.
Ill grant that. I don’t mean she has a body of some kind of personally designed deal with God. She isnt even pretty. She has some weird quality which is kind of Aeonic.
I have to laugh in retrospect at how weird you must be to weird out Jimmy Fallon.
Naw… CL beats Cardi ‘who’ all day long… she’s a reason to keep going school, right there… no class, but plenty of crass, and don’t even get me started on that big ole ass.
Never been a Madonna fan but I think Madonna’s Eurovision 2019 performance deserves posting :-"
Madonna Eurovision 2019
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG3WkiL0d_U[/youtube]
Lot’s of Freemason, Illuminati, Satanists, Kabbalists and Jesuit symbols here which didn’t mean much at the time since all the manufactured ‘stars’ try to be edgy – but looking back after the coronavirus, it looks very strange.
Some things to note:
In one of the songs she says:
“They are so naïve. They think, we’re not aware of their crimes, we know, but we’re just not ready to act. The storm isn’t in the air; it’s inside of us….can’t you hear outside of your supreme hoodie… the wind that is beginning to howl?”
She then blows on the dancers and they fall down. After they fall down dead, she sings:
“Not everyone is coming to the future.
Not everyone is learning from the past.
Not everyone can come to into the future.
Not everyone that’s here is gonna last”
There’s also imagery showing destruction by fire, a broken and collapsing Statue of Liberty (broken and collapsing America?) and buildings falling straight down into their own footprint like what happened on 9/11.
Finally, it’s worth noting that Madonna is a long-time Kabbalist, the performance was held in Israel, and the stage resembles Solomon’s Temple. The two pillars the dancers place at the entrance of the temple are called Boaz and Jakin and signify the opening of Solomon’s Temple which is sacred to the Jews, Kabbalists, Illuminati and Freemasons.
Perhaps these are all coincidences but somewhere along the line you have to decide how many ‘coincidences’ would it take to make you think it’s no longer a coincidence.
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Coincidence here too? I know nothing of the original signs, except for the middle two, but how enlightening an image, this is…
“You’re a detective now son, you’re no longer allowed to believe in coincidences.”
One upon a time, people looked into the heavens to see what the stars said about their future; today, it’s the ‘stars’ on earth that mold the way we think, dress and behave.
From what I see, Madonna is probably doing what they call ‘Externalizing the Hierarchy’. Externalizing the Hierarchy is a decree or law in magik that states that those carrying out magik must let their victim know what they are going to do.
Who really knows? All I know is magic/magik is practiced all around us and it’s so well done, nobody even notices it. One example is the fact that the Federal Reserve - a private cartel of bankers - can pull trillions of dollars out of thin air and have the rest of the world believe it’s real money. If this is not magic, what is?
Anyway, here’s another ‘coincidence’ re the Eurovision performance previously posted: on the back cover of the 2019 album she was promoting, Madonna’s wearing gloves and writing on an old ‘Corona’ typewriter. Yeah, just another coincidence.
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