Atheists should shut up!

Oh sure, turn up now all the dust has cleared. :smiley:

Ok, so you believe in something. The number 1 say. Subtract 1 from that number. Do you believe in the result…? :-"

If you do, then you believe in the absence of something.

So knowledge is the foundation of belief ? Are you absolutely certain about this ?
Is it not possible to have belief that is just emotional reasoning and nothing else ?

You cannot have a thought that requires absolutely no thinking at all
As that is not physically possible and it also makes no sense logically

Innate ‘beliefs’ - evolved aversions to snakelike shapes in infant animals. However even this extreme example presupposes some form of ancestral contact - awareness of, knowledge of the existence of - with the target of the belief.

Instincts and reflexes. She didn’t specify thoughts.

Sorry Arc, thought I’d save you some time.

Your position is anyway.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law :wink:

No idea why I would consider this. Why would a god want to prove that he exists? Can you prove that a god would want this? Utter shenanigans.

Not interested in that kind of thing.

Im not on anyones side here. Im just making the philosophical, skeptical observation that the phrase “you can’t know” is a fundie claim. (“I don’t know” is the non-fundie version of what is being tried to convey here) If you want Ill go and add my personal opinion. But only on request.

Oh yah well and if you ask me, does god exist?
I could refer you to Parodites’ writings on Gnosticism, which would get you somewhere in the vicinity of the kind of cosmos of concepts wherein the term “god” makes sense to me at all.

Or I can discuss it within the frame of the kabbalists, at which Im rather good.
Playlist of my talks
youtube.com/watch?v=06ZfESt … dgC8HGbZjk

I studied a huge book on the kabbalistic tarot back in the day when I was trying to pull gullible university girls so I have some aquaintance with the tree of life and the sephira, but never really bought into it. Studied Wiccan beliefs and magic too, there was no end to my efforts to bolster my chat-up lines. You seem to have Aleister Crowley in there too. All praise the hermetic order of the golden dawn.

I’m sure I should be making some kind of wierd gesture now. Cthulhu fhtagn.

Note that I disagree with Parodites, but at least we understand of each other at what we disagree.
But in short I can tell you that I am certain that whichever God does exist, he/she/it is dependent on the logic Ive divined as much as any entity.

– see your post

yeah Crowley is a great guy. Truly respect that dude.

But yo, these things are not propositions one needs to buy into, theyre rather tools, one may use to develop different modes of thinking. Lets say instruments enabling different kinds of progressions, as an analogy to music.

I dunno, I’m a bit too mundane, colloquial, Yorkshire-bred for that stuff. All we believe in is bread and butter and workin’ downt pit.

Crowley is easily one of the most misunderstood men who ever lived
There is far more to him than what the stereotypical image suggests

Thats fair.
I believe that.

And I don’t look down on that in the least.

I look down on people who believe in what some book tells them.

And he loves being misunderstood.
But there is a whole society built around him - Thelema.

They’ve got a rather interesting discord group of which Im member.
I can give you the link in a PM if you’re interested. You’d need to instal discord. Its a lovely interface with countless interesting servers.

Yes. It seems humble, but it is humble for everyone, at all times, and this is no longer humble (not that it was in the first place. It seems like a claim not to know, but in fact it is a claim to know a lot.

These guys always make me smile.
Some excerpt of a chat


Hey, any high powered destruction spells?

Asking for a friend


Have before you an unopened bottle of Corona beer. Knock once.

“Behold the dawning of the darkened sun, hoisted high upon the wings of the pale bat
She shall encircle the world, having risen from the waters of Ani which reflect the sea of Ain
In Silence shall she leave the world, and so shall begin the New World Order
Therefore, come unto me, you who tightens the breasts of the weak
You who steals the ruach like a thief in the night
You who make men boil like in a fire
thee, thee I invoke”

Make sign of the cross over the corona and consume


Thats lit


That sounds like. Way too powerful lmao

Well yeah, “you cant know” implies “I know all there is to know for you”. Claims don’t get any less humble than that.

I have got Crowleys boigraphy by Tobias Churton because I know so little and wanted to learm more about him
I am interested in anyone who is unconventional in any philosophical sense and Crowley fits that bill perfectly

Alright PM underway.

Except… you don’t do PMs, I see.

:confused:

I will watch your first video on Kabbalism and if it is of any interest then I will probably watch all of them
I know absolutely nothing about it other than it is derived from Judaism and Madonna was once interested

I feel I should offer something on AC’s behalf here though.
What about one of his very short books?

Here is, for the duration of 30 days, Liber B Vel Magi Sub Figura
easyupload.io/ypgp0x