Plans for a religion

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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Greatest I am » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:51 pm

Dan~ wrote:How can we realize what is best?
Some christians would cut strait to the source: God is the best, biggest, smartest, etc.
Without God what comes up second-place?
Life on earth, i would say.
Life is more frightening when God is gone.
Death can be accepted. Pain can be accepted.
But these things are not desirable.
If all life on earth suffered greatly, life would be a hell-like experience.
Death would be preferable in that case.
Pleasant life calls to us to embrace what we have.
Happy life is the preference over death and pain.

I'm not sure i know where i am going with this.
I posted it anyway.


Jesus saw heaven when he looked at life on earth. So do I. Jesus does say that there are few of us who will see it.

It is demonstrable that we live in the only possible world. It thus must be the best of all possible worlds, given our history.

Sure we all have a wish list to improve things but that does not refute the premise I put.

Look around and see how well off we all are. To the point where only the minority will have any real problems in life.

Things have been really improving for the last 50 to 70 years but we have been on an upwards swing for 200 years. Poverty is almost a thing of the past, for instance, as we have pulled a billion over the poverty line in the last 20 years and they estimate we will do the same in the next 20 years.

Things are great and the trends will continue.

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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:33 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
Dan~ wrote:How can we realize what is best?
Some christians would cut strait to the source: God is the best, biggest, smartest, etc.
Without God what comes up second-place?
Life on earth, i would say.
Life is more frightening when God is gone.
Death can be accepted. Pain can be accepted.
But these things are not desirable.
If all life on earth suffered greatly, life would be a hell-like experience.
Death would be preferable in that case.
Pleasant life calls to us to embrace what we have.
Happy life is the preference over death and pain.

I'm not sure i know where i am going with this.
I posted it anyway.


Jesus saw heaven when he looked at life on earth. So do I. Jesus does say that there are few of us who will see it.

It is demonstrable that we live in the only possible world. It thus must be the best of all possible worlds, given our history.

Sure we all have a wish list to improve things but that does not refute the premise I put.

Look around and see how well off we all are. To the point where only the minority will have any real problems in life.

Things have been really improving for the last 50 to 70 years but we have been on an upwards swing for 200 years. Poverty is almost a thing of the past, for instance, as we have pulled a billion over the poverty line in the last 20 years and they estimate we will do the same in the next 20 years.

Things are great and the trends will continue.

Regards
DL


Regards
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Where do you get your information about progress and poverty?
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Greatest I am » Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:55 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
Dan~ wrote:How can we realize what is best?


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Where do you get your information about progress and poverty?


I have many sources. Here is a sampling that should satisfy. The violence reduction stats are at the end of the last link and if you need more, that scholar has ton's in the net as well.

For finance.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2013/ ... of-poverty

Here is how that looks visually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo

The stats from Pinker are near the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLulcfyqrc0

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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:23 pm

Does this progress from poverty include American Natives? These references do not seem to speak for indigenous people.
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Re: Plans for a religion

Postby Greatest I am » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:35 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Does this progress from poverty include American Natives? These references do not seem to speak for indigenous people.


I believe that the stats are all inclusive but you would have to check the parameters the statisticians used.

Both of the links were made for international consumption and I trust that both had decent survey methods.

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