a thread for mundane ironists

[b]tiny nietzsche

all the people who don’t care about anything give hope to the rest of us[/b]

Sort of, as it were.

horny for existentialism

Yeah, maybe once, he thought.

he died as he lived: distant

Though getting more distant all the time.

rock, paper, indecision

Nope, that will never catch on.

me: I think I’m coming down with a case of postmodernism
doktor: are you sure?
me: no

Then you are.

if I die before I wake, not a problem

Me, I’m still working on that one.

[b]Luigi Pirandello

Inevitably we construct ourselves. Let me explain. I enter this house and immediately I become what I have to become, what I can become: I construct myself. That is, I present myself to you in a form suitable to the relationship I wish to achieve with you. And, of course, you do the same with me.[/b]

Of course out in the real world, you try to keep that part secret.

We all have a world of things inside ourselves and each one of us has his own private world. How can we understand each other if the words I use have the sense and the value that I expect them to have, but whoever is listening to me inevitably thinks that those same words have a different sense and value, because of the private world he has inside himself, too.

You STILL don’t get that part, do you?

There is someone who is living my life. And I know nothing about him.

You STILL don’t get that part, do you?

All I’m saying is that you should show some respect for what other people see with their eyes and feel with their fingers, even though it be the exact opposite.

Not counting conflicting goods of course. Right, Mr. Objectivist?

Life is full of strange absurdities, which, strangely enough, do not even need to appear plausible, since they are true.

You tell me yours, I’ll tell you mine.

Whatever is a reality today, whatever you touch and believe in and that seems real for you today, is going to be - like the reality of yesterday - an illusion tomorrow.

What do you think…he’s gone too far?

[b]Randall Munroe

Take wrong turns. Talk to strangers. Open unmarked doors. And if you see a group of people in a field, go find out what they are doing. Do things without always knowing how they’ll turn out.[/b]

Unless of course you live in reality.

It makes me happy that an arm of the US government has, in some official capacity, issued an opinion on the subject of firing nuclear missiles at hurricanes.

Doesn’t make some of us happy: axios.com/trump-nuclear-bom … 3f51c.html

I still don’t know whether there are more hard or soft things in the world.

Hard by a fucking mile, right?

There were no earthworms in New England when the European colonists arrived.

Lots of Indians though.

A magnitude 15 earthquake would involve the release of almost 1032 joules of energy, which is roughly the gravitational binding energy of the Earth. To put it another way, the Death Star caused a magnitude 15 earthquake on Alderaan.

You know, in the movies.

For a small smartphone charger, if it’s not warm to the touch, it’s using less than a penny a year.

And if it’s on fire?

[b]tiny nietzsche

if you say betelgeuse three times while looking at it in the night sky, it will supernova[/b]

Try it and get back to us.

the void who cried wolf

That [still] works for me.

boy, this Warren/Sanders thing reminds me that trump had prostitutes piss on him

On the other hand, will we ever really know?

daily carry:
phone
keys
wallet
existential flaws

Organ donor card.

I like my coffee like I like my recriminations…bitter

Works with whisky too.

imagine caring about hollywood decisions

Anyone here still do?

[b]Robert M. Pirsig

An experiment is never a failure solely because it fails to achieve predicted results.[/b]

Though some do come closer than others.

…the stream of national consciousness moves faster now, and is broader, but it seems to run less deep.

So, don’t forget to vote!

Insanity as an absence of common characteristics is also demonstrated by the Rorschach ink-blot test for schizophrenia. In this test, randomly formed ink splotches are shown to the patient and he is asked what he sees. If he says, ‘I see a pretty lady with a flowering hat,’ that is not a sign of schizophrenia. But if he says, ‘All I see is an ink-blot,’ he is showing signs of schizophrenia. The person who responds with the most elaborate lie gets the highest score for sanity. The person who tells the absolute truth does not. Sanity is not truth. Sanity is conformity to what is socially expected. Truth is sometimes in conformity, sometimes not.

So, how scientific is this?

To speak of certain government and establishment institutions as “the system” is to speak correctly, since these organizations are founded upon the same structural conceptual relationships as a motorcycle. They are sustained by structural relationships even when they have lost all other meaning and purpose. People arrive at a factory and perform a totally meaningless task from eight to five without question because the structure demands that it be that way. There’s no villain, no “mean guy” who wants them to live meaningless lives, it’s just that the structure, the system demands it and no one is willing to take on the formidable task of changing the structure just because it is meaningless. But to tear down a factory or to revolt against a government or to avoid repair of a motorcycle because it is a system is to attack effects rather than causes; and as long as the attack is upon effects only, no change is possible. The true system, the real system, is our present construction of systematic thought itself, rationality itself, and if a factory is torn down but the rationality which produced it is left standing, then that rationality will simply produce another factory.

Really, how depressing is that? After all, there’s not much in the way of proving it’s not true.

The real cycle you’re working on is a cycle called yourself. The machine that appears to be “out there” and the person that appears to be “in here” are not two separate things. They grow toward Quality or fall away from Quality together.

Right, thanks again for reminding me.

It is a kind of nowhere, famous for nothing at all and has an appeal because of just that.

Anyone else here live there?

[b]Simone de Beauvoir

All oppression creates a state of war. [/b]

Tell that to the oppressed.

One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman. No biological, psychological, or economic fate determines the figure that the human female presents in society; it is civilization as a whole that produces this creature, intermediate between male and eunuch, which is described as feminine.

Memes in other words. Them and dasein.

You have to start from where you are today and from what can be done.

Explain that to, among others, Phyllo and Karpel Tunnel. :laughing:

It must be said in addition that the men with the most scrupulous respect for embryonic life are also those who are most zealous when it comes to condemning adults to death in war.

On the other hand, lots of women too.

Youth and what the Italians so prettily call stamina. The vigor, the fire, that enables you to love and create. When you’ve lost that, you’ve lost everything.

And then there is death itself.

I am incapable of conceiving infinity, and yet I do not accept finity.

Like accepting it even matters.

[b]so sad today

i have trouble expressing my feelings except to the whole internet[/b]

Isn’t that what it’s for?

i love turning a positive into a negative

Like “I” into a “we”.

if you don’t like me i love you

Yep, that’s always worked for me.

why yes, yes i am focusing on the negative

Care to join me?

some people believe in themselves so much it’s terrifying

Either that or ridiculous.

even being alone is too many people

Jesus, he thought, what if that is true?

[b]Edward Snowden

It’s becoming less and less the National Security Agency and more and more the national surveillance agency. It’s gaining more offensive powers with each passing year. [/b]

Pick two:
1] politics
2] technology

I don’t think there’s anything, any threat out there today that anyone can point to, that justifies placing an entire population under mass surveillance.

Well, they think there is.

The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law.

His immoral or our immoral or their immoral?

Radicalism and extremism, while they are dangers, they exist in every society on some level.

Even out in the heartland?

The power of the presidency is important, but it is not determinative.

Tell that to…

When people say, “I have nothing to hide,” what they’re saying is, “My rights don’t matter.”

One suspects it’s always more complcated than that. But, sure, maybe not.

[b]Vladimir Putin

It’s better to be hanged for loyalty than be rewarded for betrayal.[/b]

Of course he’s just paraphrasing Trump.

Europeans are dying out. Don’t you understand that? And same-sex marriages don’t produce children. Do you want to survive by drawing migrants?

Of course he’s just paraphrasing Satyr.

You can do a lot more with weapons and politeness than just politeness.

A hell of a lot more.

I don’t regret anything. I did everything absolutely correctly.

Now that is cynicism.
Unless of course he actually believes it!

Maybe they have nothing else to do in America but to talk about me.

And, here I am, doing my bit to sustain it.

There is no such thing as a former KGB man.

Gee, I wonder what he means by that?

[b]so sad today

you’re not a bad person you’re just an asshole[/b]

Though, sure, probably both.

one time i tried to have a life and it was a disaster

In other words, on her terms.

does everyone have to make everything so stupid

Back again to this: genes more or less than memes.

in my head i’m having sex

In my head with me.

public displays of fake empathy

The world being a stage and all.

i miss when empathy wasn’t a corporate marketing ploy

Back before televison, right? Or…radio?

[b]Norman Mailer

Because there is very little honor left in American life, there is a certain built-in tendency to destroy masculinity in American men. [/b]

And who doesn’t know exactly what it means to behave honorably. Right, Mr. Objectivist?

The sickness of our times for me has been just this damn thing that everything has been getting smaller and smaller and less and less important, that the romantic spirit has dried up, that there is no shame today. We’re all getting so mean and small and petty and ridiculous, and we all live under the threat of extermination.

That and getting more so by the day.

Existentialism is the kind of philosophy that makes for legendary children.

You know, back then.

Culture’s worth huge, huge risks. Without culture we’re all totalitarian beasts.

So, don’t forget to vote for yours.

Prevarication, like honesty, is reflexive, and soon becomes a sturdy habit, as reliable as truth.

Fucking Trumpworld!

Somewhere, something incredible happened in history - the wrong guys won.

Now of course it happens all the time.

[b]Douglas Adams

The idea was fantastically, wildly improbable. But like most fantastically, wildly improbable ideas it was at least as worthy of consideration as a more mundane one to which the facts had been strenuously bent to fit.[/b]

Ever been a fantastically, wildly improbable idea here?

[b]How to Leave the Planet

  1. Phone NASA. Their phone number is (713) 483-3111. Explain that it’s very important that you get away as soon as possible.
  2. If they do not cooperate, phone any friend you may have in the White House—(202) 456-1414—to have a word on your behalf with the guys at NASA.
  3. If you don’t have any friends in the White House, phone the Kremlin (ask the overseas operator for 0107-095-295-9051). They don’t have any friends there either (at least, none to speak of), but they do seem to have a little influence, so you may as well try.
  4. If that also fails, phone the Pope for guidance. His telephone number is 011-39-6-6982, and I gather his switchboard is infallible.
  5. If all these attempts fail, flag down a passing flying saucer and explain that it’s vitally important that you get away before your phone bill arrives.[/b]

Nope, still here.

The argument goes something like this: “I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.”

About what you’d expect, right?

The more Susan waited, the more the doorbell didn’t ring. Or the phone.

Must be the equivalent of that here, for sure.

The Universe, as has been observed before, is an unsettlingly big place, a fact which for the sake of a quiet life most people tend to ignore.

Well, our universe anyway.

The Electric Monk was a labour-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder… Electric Monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe.

How much would you be willing to pay for one?

[b]Philosophy Tweets

“Politics have no relation to morals.” Machiavelli[/b]

Of course he’s only paraphrasing, among others, Mitch McConnell.

“At the present moment, the security of coherent philosophy, which existed from Parmenides to Hegel, is lost.” Karl Jaspers

Like that’s necessarily a bad thing. If you know what I mean.

"They muddy the water, to make it seem deep.” Friedrich Nietzsche

You in particular, Mr. Pedant.

“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.” Friedrich Nietzsche

My guess: this also includes interpreting what he means here.

“For things change and get so different that we can hardly recognize them and it seems that only our names remain the same.” F. Scott Fitzgerald

Yeah, but lots of things like this seem to be lots of different things to lots of different people.

“From a certain point onward there is no longer any turning back. That is the point that must be reached.” Franz Kafka

Or, sure, avoided at all cost.

[b]Brent Weeks

The perfect killer has no conscience.[/b]

Let’s call him, say, a killing machine.

If you looked busy, you could get away with almost anything.

I know: Who looks busier here than me?

We are the stories we tell about ourselves. But when those stories are lies, we are the most surprised of all.

He means least surprised of course.
Well, for some of us anyway.

Put on some armor. Just remember what’s armor and what’s you, so when it’s time to take it off, you can.

Tell me this isn’t awash in dasein.

Just because it’s a dream doesn’t mean it’s a lie.

True, but in ways we may never understand.

Truth doesn’t depend on your belief in it.

On the other hand, your context or mine?

[b]Niels Bohr

The meaning of life consists in the fact that it makes no sense to say that life has no meaning.[/b]

Unless of course, essentially, it doesn’t.

There are some things so serious you have to laugh at them.

Help me to find one.

No, no, you’re not thinking; you’re just being logical.

I’m sort of saying that myself, right?

In our description of nature the purpose is not to disclose the real essence of the phenomena but only to track down, so far as it is possible, relations between the manifold aspects of our experience.

I’m sort of saying that myself, right?

Your theory is crazy, but it’s not crazy enough to be true.

QM of course.

When it comes to atoms, language can be used only as in poetry.

Rhymes with quarks.

[b]Philosophy Tweets

"Most people, in fact, will not take the trouble in finding out the truth, but are much more inclined to accept the first story they hear.” Thucydides[/b]

Well, not counting mine, of course.

“Whether it’s Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian or whoever, stupid is certainly celebrated. … Being a fucking idiot is a valuable commodity in this culture because you’re rewarded significantly.” Jon Hamm

You know, after he stopped being an Ad Man.

“Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less.” Marie Curie

How dumb is this, he thought?

"Let us be terrible in order to prevent the people from being terrible themselves!” Georges Danton

Oh, yeah, that would work!

"Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it; and even if something can be known about it, knowledge about it can’t be communicated to others.” Gorgias

Sure, I was once this optimistic myself.

“Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true.” Francis Bacon

Two words:
1] comfort
2] consolation

[b]Zelda Fitzgerald

All I want to be is very young always and very irresponsible and to feel that my life is my own-to live and be happy and die in my own way to please myself.[/b]

Next up: All I get instead is…

Isn’t it funny how danger makes people passionate?

For example, scared shitless.

The trouble with emergencies is, she said, that I always put on my finest underwear and then nothing happens.

Must be a class thing, he thought. Or a gender thing.

Why is there happiness and comfort and excitement where you are and no where else in the world?

Needless to say, no one ever said that of me.

By the time a person has achieved years adequate for choosing a direction, the die is cast and the moment has long since passed which determined the future.

This person for example.

We grew up founding our dreams on the infinite promise of American advertising. I still believe that one can learn to play the piano by mail and that mud will give you a perfect complexion.

Just in time for those idiotic Super Bowl commercials.

[b]Luigi Pirandello

Life is a very sad piece of buffoonery, because we have … the need to fool ourselves continuously by the spontaneous creation of a reality…which, from time to time, reveals itself to be vain and illusory. [/b]

Not counting your life of course.

Those who understood, in fact, say: ‘I mustn’t do this, I mustn’t do that,’ so as not to commit some stupidity or other! Splendid! But at a certain point we realize that all life is stupidity; so tell me yourself what it means never to have done anything foolish. At the very least it means you have never lived.

Okay, somewhat hyperbolic.

It is so. When YOU think so.

The part that YOU still don’t get.

We’re like so many puppets hung on the wall, waiting for someone to come and move us or make us talk.

And not just in Trumpworld.

We think we understand each other, but we never really do.

Not counting Karpel Tunnel and Phyllo of course. :laughing:

If only we could see in advance all the harm that can come from the good we think we are doing.

Let’s invent a gadget for that.

[b]Philosophy Tweets

"If you don’t build castles in the air you won’t build anything on the ground.” Victor Hugo[/b]

Let’s just say that, here, some take this way, way, way too far.

"I shall die in the belief that to make France free, republican and prosperous, a little ink would have sufficed - and only one guillotine.” Camille Desmoulins

A really sharp one though.

"Viking women were able to rule kingdoms, divorce husbands, own land, and Vikings were very progressive in terms of the rights of women.” Gabriel Byrne

We’ll need to run this by Thor of course.

“Where there is no hope, we must invent it.” Albert Camus

Needless to say, count me out.

“What do I know of man’s destiny? I could tell you more about radishes.” Samuel Beckett

Now that’s some serious philosophy.

“In the beginning there were only probabilities. The universe could only come into existence if someone observed it. It does not matter that the observers turned up several billion years later. The universe exists because we are aware of it.” Martin Rees

Does Can anyone really understand this?

[b]Randall Munroe

If we divide up the world’s land area evenly, there’s enough room for each of us to have a little over 2 hectares each, with the nearest person 77 meters away.[/b]

Of course stuff like this may well be completely made up.

In conclusion, if the Sun went out, we would see a variety of benefits across many areas of our lives. Are there any downsides to this scenario? We would all freeze and die.

So, is it worth it?

What if every day, every human had a 1 percent chance of being turned into a turkey, and every turkey had a 1 percent chance of being turned into a human?

Or, in my case, a chimp.

So Yoda sounds like our best bet as an energy source. But with world electricity consumption pushing 2 terawatts, it would take a hundred million Yodas to meet our demands. All things considered, switching to Yoda power probably isn’t worth the trouble—though it would definitely be green.

Let’s first pin down Yoda’s actual existence.

GPS timing is incredibly precise; of all the problems in engineering, it’s one of the only ones in which engineers have been forced to include both special and general relativity in their calculations.

So, is this important to know?

High up in the North in the land called Svithjod, there stands a rock. It is a hundred miles high and a hundred miles wide. Once every thousand years a little bird comes to this rock to sharpen its beak. When the rock has thus been worn away, then a single day of eternity will have gone by. — Hendrik Willem Van Loon

This guy? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Willem_van_Loon