Telos

Fixed_Cross · January 23, 2020, 12:42am

I just realize that you need to read everything Sauwelios has written. If you understand something of his logics you may be able to approach mine, and Nietzsche.

Honestly you don’t have a clue what the will to power is, if you think it is not prescriptive.

Sauwelios made that part of it his specialty.
A little on the obvious side for me, but then I am what I am.

Fixed_Cross · January 23, 2020, 12:46am

Yeah, Sauwelios… he isn’t a revolutionary thinker but he is definitely thorough.

Fixed_Cross · January 23, 2020, 12:54am

To me back then this was always half of a joke, as its just obvious how absurd it seems to other people, but… Ive always loved it too, this honest to god approach of the problem of language. Compared to what one encounters nowadays it is brilliant.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4WM-0ZlgDo[/youtube]

What Heidegger does is extend the notion of will to power beyond the obvious and meaningless semantics of it, he pushes the logic of it to amount to actual ontology, that is, to working knowledge, predictive and such.
Not that any of that goes on in this video, this is just… a careful and cheerful archaeologo-philologist at work with his brushes.
A thinker.

phoneutria · January 23, 2020, 1:03am

People may have their rights revoked when they have themselves infringed on the rights of others. That is written into law, but it is also implicit, one can say. With implicit rights also come implicit obligations.

phoneutria · January 23, 2020, 1:14am

Fixed Cross:

Fuukuk. Yu know the brain uses up most of the energy? You wonder where that energy goes in most people.

So here’s the deal.

Being equals self-valuing and valuing in terms of that self-valuing. People who don’t get that by now are really very slow and should not be considered sentient.

A right can not exist if it doesn’t… self-value and value in terms of that self-valuing.

So, a right can only exist if it is able to self-value in terms of the people who bestow it its existence!
Yay.

Oh wait I crossed the 180 IQ line again.

Mea goddamn culpa.

It just happens these Fathers had problematically high IQs too.

And thats what we’re going to be getting at, probably; only those people who can understand the necessity of upholding something for it to exist, like, nature upholds itself, will be able to have what we call natural rights.

People have to exist in terms of such rights for these rights to exist to them.

Oh so difficult. So so difficult.

yup, philosophising the fuck out of a pretty straightforward subject, really.

you take a life, your light may be taken
you take property, your property may be take
you take an eye…
I think someone might have carved that up on a rock at some time

Fixed_Cross · January 23, 2020, 1:18am

You mean all this is… self evident ?

phoneutria · January 23, 2020, 1:21am

History is full of literary geniuses who were social retards.
Not even in that is your friend unique.

Tell him to stop by the forums again sometime when you’re done sucking each other off.

phoneutria · January 23, 2020, 1:22am

You better fucking believe it.

Also further evidence that one can say in two words what you said in… how many?

Fixed_Cross · January 23, 2020, 1:23am

Wow you’re such a graceful lady. So very free of hate.

Im beginning to think you actually lust over his “10 pack” or whatever.

Fixed_Cross · January 23, 2020, 1:24am

Anyway you all have been educated into human being by Fixed Cross.

Case closed.

phoneutria · January 23, 2020, 1:27am

Who said that was an argument?
I specifically wrote that I was not critiquing the content.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfw8Es44Kgk[/youtube]

phoneutria · January 23, 2020, 1:30am

This.
100%

phoneutria · January 23, 2020, 1:36am

I don’t see anything new here.
Just a lot of rehashing in convoluted ways things that have already been said in simpler ways by greater men.
Could be because I don’t have an IQ of 180, I’ll say.

phoneutria · January 23, 2020, 1:46am

I like my men to have a bit of padding on them, you know? An even layer of healthness all around.
Like a brisket.

iambiguous · January 23, 2020, 2:03am

Right, like that has anything at all to do with this:

Is this what passes for "serious philosophy? with you? Or is it all just tongue in cheek?

In fact, the closest I can come to explaining his “white working class base” is either here: youtu.be/Qf9DE59yrs0

Or here:

Maurice Brinton in The Irrational in Politics:

What was it…Reich asked, which in the real life of the oppressed limited their will to revolution? His answer was that the working class was readily influenced by reactionary and irrational ideas because such ideas fell on fertile soil. For the average Marxist, workers were adults who hired their labor power to capitalists and were exploited by them. This was correct as far as it went. But one had to take into account all aspects of working class life if one wanted to understand the political attitude of the working class. This meant that one had to recognize some obvious facts, namely that the worker had a childhood, that he was brought up by parents themselves conditioned by the society in which they lived, that he had a wife and children, sexual needs, frustrations and family conflicts…Reich sought to develop a total analysis which would incorporate such facts and attach the appropriate importance to them.

In learning to obey their parents children learn obedience in general. The deference learned in the family setting will manifest itself whenever the child faces a ‘superior’ in later life. Sexual repression----by the already sexually repressed parents—is an integral part of the conditioning process.

According to Reich, the ‘suppresion of natural sexuality in the child…makes the child apprehensive, shy, obedient, afraid of authority, ‘good’, and ‘adjusted’ in the authoritarian sense; it paralyzes the rebellious forces because any rebellion is laden with anxiety; it produces, by inhibiting sexual curiosity and sexual thinking in the child, a general inhibition of thinking and of critical faculties. In brief the goal of sexual repression is that of producing an individual who is adjusted to the authoritarian order and who will submit to it in spite of all the misery and degradation…the result is fear of freedom, and a conservative, reactionary mentality. Sexual repression aids political reaction, not only through this process which makes the mass individual passive and unpolitical, but also by creating in his structure an interest in actively supporting the authoritarian order’.

Psychologists and psychiatrists have written pages about the medical effects of sexual repression. Reich however constantly reiterated its social function, exercised through the family. The purpose of sexual repression was to anchor submission to authority and the fear of freedom into people’s ‘character armour’. The net result was the reproduction, generation after generation, of the basic [psychological] conditions essential for manipulation and enslavement of the masses.

Leaving out the part about “orgone energy” perhaps.

Instead, these chumps rally around Trump thinking that he will take us back to, as phoneutria suggested, “the fifties”. The whitest and most reactionary and God fearing America has been in recent times.

phoneutria · January 23, 2020, 2:30am

Fixed I honestly feel bad about being largely responsible for parodites quitting the forum.
Tell him I’ll be good.

Fixed_Cross · January 23, 2020, 3:10am

Look, hate is something thats real in the world. At one point, the prophet of love has to show some hate too. Show how easy that shit is. Hate is the easiest thing to follow. Cortisol. Addictive in the same way as coffee is.
I was startled recently at the amount of racist hate in a 9gag comment section under a meme of a… well some very weird reverse racist meme. Which could or could not have been engineered. What was real was the none-black on black racism. Just appalling, if I were black Id not be okay right now. Its not been this bad even on 4chan. 9gag is Hong Kongese, that probably means something here.
I figured we should start a non racist or even antiracist pro Trump group, discord group. As racism on the right is an important element to subdue. Cant have Euclidean rights as a racist.

promethean75 · January 23, 2020, 11:46am

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phoneutria · January 23, 2020, 12:30pm

that’s what I’m talking about

phoneutria · January 23, 2020, 1:29pm

I cultivate my hate very dearly. It is my beehive and I am its apiarist.
I pacify the bees and take from it only sweet, sweet honey.
I love my bees. Would never do away with them.

9gag demographics is largely males in their teens and early 20s, I believe.
Too early to reason with, imo. Gotta let life itself teach them a couple of things first.

Imgur has the best community out of these big sites. Imgur comment section is priceless.

Agreed. Racism blocks all intelligent conversation from ever ensuing. You can’t even get into the basics of the actual subject.