You got saved by the bell.
See you in a sec.
Fixed_Cross
January 23, 2020, 12:09am
103
Don’t be fresh with me young man.
I know that what Ive proposed in this thread is the end-all of political theory.
It is the final merger of Nietzsche and the foundational thought of the USA.
It is what is hinted at in the beginning pages of this thread.beforethelight.forumotion.com/t7 … as-all-law
It is the completion.
Fixed_Cross
January 23, 2020, 12:15am
104
It all comes down to an idea every peasant can understand. Though college educated masses have been shaped so as to not understand precisely this.
You want something? Then be worthy of it.
This is how nature works, so it is how all parts of nature work. And natural rights, would be part of nature.
Man has been very lazy up to this point. Not natural at all. Metaphysics. Thinks things are just given to him by an automaton.
There is no automaton. There is φύσις.
Fixed_Cross
January 23, 2020, 12:36am
105
Look Pedro, you wouldn’t tell Napoleon he was saved because you had to do another thing. Ive never had any match in philosophy. 8 years after I revealed it even my smartest friends are still struggling with the beginnings of VO. Put yourself in my position for a second.
Well, all I can do is hope that some day you will come to see things more clearly.
Fixed_Cross
January 23, 2020, 12:42am
107
I just realize that you need to read everything Sauwelios has written. If you understand something of his logics you may be able to approach mine, and Nietzsche.
Honestly you don’t have a clue what the will to power is, if you think it is not prescriptive.
Sauwelios made that part of it his specialty.
Fixed_Cross
January 23, 2020, 12:46am
108
Yeah, Sauwelios… he isn’t a revolutionary thinker but he is definitely thorough.
Fixed_Cross
January 23, 2020, 12:54am
109
To me back then this was always half of a joke, as its just obvious how absurd it seems to other people, but… Ive always loved it too, this honest to god approach of the problem of language. Compared to what one encounters nowadays it is brilliant.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4WM-0ZlgDo[/youtube]
What Heidegger does is extend the notion of will to power beyond the obvious and meaningless semantics of it, he pushes the logic of it to amount to actual ontology, that is, to working knowledge, predictive and such.
phoneutria
January 23, 2020, 1:03am
110
In fact the case is obviously that whatever rights nature/god grants man, have to be granted by man to man, much like a person is granted life but still has to grant himself that life by doing such things like breathing, drinking plenty of water, not jumping from buildings, and such.
You have to like, exist, i.e. act, in order to… exist… geddit?
Ohh its so difficult this thing called philosophy right. You always have to like, do stuff. With your brain no less.
People may have their rights revoked when they have themselves infringed on the rights of others. That is written into law, but it is also implicit, one can say. With implicit rights also come implicit obligations.
phoneutria
January 23, 2020, 1:14am
111
Fuukuk. Yu know the brain uses up most of the energy? You wonder where that energy goes in most people.
So here’s the deal.
Being equals self-valuing and valuing in terms of that self-valuing. People who don’t get that by now are really very slow and should not be considered sentient.
A right can not exist if it doesn’t… self-value and value in terms of that self-valuing.
So, a right can only exist if it is able to self-value in terms of the people who bestow it its existence!
Oh wait I crossed the 180 IQ line again.
Mea goddamn culpa.
It just happens these Fathers had problematically high IQs too.
And thats what we’re going to be getting at, probably; only those people who can understand the necessity of upholding something for it to exist, like, nature upholds itself, will be able to have what we call natural rights.
People have to exist in terms of such rights for these rights to exist to them.
Oh so difficult. So so difficult.
yup, philosophising the fuck out of a pretty straightforward subject, really.
you take a life, your light may be taken
You mean all this is… self evident ?
phoneutria
January 23, 2020, 1:21am
113
Phon - you were the one who was telling a literary genius that he should have learned in school to write short paragraphs so you could read it on your “android, bitch”.
History is full of literary geniuses who were social retards.
Tell him to stop by the forums again sometime when you’re done sucking each other off.
phoneutria
January 23, 2020, 1:22am
114
You better fucking believe it.
Also further evidence that one can say in two words what you said in… how many?
Wow you’re such a graceful lady. So very free of hate.
Im beginning to think you actually lust over his “10 pack” or whatever.
Anyway you all have been educated into human being by Fixed Cross.
Case closed.
phoneutria
January 23, 2020, 1:27am
117
Who said that was an argument?
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfw8Es44Kgk[/youtube]
phoneutria
January 23, 2020, 1:36am
119
Don’t be fresh with me young man.
I know that what Ive proposed in this thread is the end-all of political theory.
It is the final merger of Nietzsche and the foundational thought of the USA.
It is what is hinted at in the beginning pages of this thread.beforethelight.forumotion.com/t7 … as-all-law
It is the completion.
I don’t see anything new here.
phoneutria
January 23, 2020, 1:46am
120
I like my men to have a bit of padding on them, you know? An even layer of healthness all around.
iambiguous
January 23, 2020, 2:03am
121
Right, like that has anything at all to do with this :
Is this what passes for "serious philosophy? with you? Or is it all just tongue in cheek?
If Trumps victory has shown anything it is that America, save for Trump and his brave, hardline supporters, is pretty damned far from being Great. Probably no country has so many fanatical illiterates.
In fact, the closest I can come to explaining his “white working class base” is either here: youtu.be/Qf9DE59yrs0
Or here:
Maurice Brinton in The Irrational in Politics :
Wilhelm Reich set out to elaborate a social psychology based on both Marxism and psychoanalysis. His aim was to explain how ideas arose in men’s minds, in reaction to the real conditions of their lives, and how in turn such ideas influenced human behavior. There was clearly a discrepancy between the material conditions of the masses and their conservative outlook. No appeal to psychology was needed to understand why a hungry man stole bread or why workers, fed up with being pushed around, decided to down their tools. What social psychology had to explain however is not why the starving individual steals or why the exploited individual strikes, but why the majority of starving individuals do not steal or why the exploited individuals do not strike.
What was it…Reich asked, which in the real life of the oppressed limited their will to revolution? His answer was that the working class was readily influenced by reactionary and irrational ideas because such ideas fell on fertile soil. For the average Marxist, workers were adults who hired their labor power to capitalists and were exploited by them. This was correct as far as it went. But one had to take into account all aspects of working class life if one wanted to understand the political attitude of the working class. This meant that one had to recognize some obvious facts, namely that the worker had a childhood, that he was brought up by parents themselves conditioned by the society in which they lived, that he had a wife and children, sexual needs, frustrations and family conflicts…Reich sought to develop a total analysis which would incorporate such facts and attach the appropriate importance to them.
In learning to obey their parents children learn obedience in general. The deference learned in the family setting will manifest itself whenever the child faces a ‘superior’ in later life. Sexual repression----by the already sexually repressed parents—is an integral part of the conditioning process.
According to Reich, the ‘suppresion of natural sexuality in the child…makes the child apprehensive, shy, obedient, afraid of authority, ‘good’, and ‘adjusted’ in the authoritarian sense; it paralyzes the rebellious forces because any rebellion is laden with anxiety; it produces, by inhibiting sexual curiosity and sexual thinking in the child, a general inhibition of thinking and of critical faculties. In brief the goal of sexual repression is that of producing an individual who is adjusted to the authoritarian order and who will submit to it in spite of all the misery and degradation…the result is fear of freedom, and a conservative, reactionary mentality. Sexual repression aids political reaction, not only through this process which makes the mass individual passive and unpolitical, but also by creating in his structure an interest in actively supporting the authoritarian order’.
Psychologists and psychiatrists have written pages about the medical effects of sexual repression. Reich however constantly reiterated its social function, exercised through the family. The purpose of sexual repression was to anchor submission to authority and the fear of freedom into people’s ‘character armour’. The net result was the reproduction, generation after generation, of the basic [psychological] conditions essential for manipulation and enslavement of the masses.
Leaving out the part about “orgone energy” perhaps.
Instead, these chumps rally around Trump thinking that he will take us back to, as phoneutria suggested, “the fifties”. The whitest and most reactionary and God fearing America has been in recent times.
