These are not universal truths...

And how do we determine to what degree they embodied these values?

Note to Other
The only correct answer is…“We are all equally wrong, and the only thing left is to make compromises and agree what the most communally beneficial lie is to be our ‘truth’.”
Emphasis on “equally wrong” - parity in the negative.
Power of the Nil.

We are all poor - Marxism
We are all sinners - Abrahamism

If not absolutely one, then absolutely nil.

I suggest that, first of all, we get a crystal clear technical definition of “complicated” first.

Then create a new thread with a poll so that we can all vote on it democratically.

Yes…let’s democratically vote what ‘truth’ is.
There is no objectivity…all is subjective.

This is projection:

Objectivist:
Anyone who shows certainty that his opinion is superior to that of another. There is no way to objectively determine which subjective viewpoint is superior - if it ain’t absolute it is like everything else.
Nietzsche’s perspectivism corrupted, just like everything else.
The correct demeanour is uniform skepticism - Marxist distribution of error - to the level of being trapped in procrastination and uncertainty, where the only way out is communal agreement, or an egotistical declaration of will.
If you do not show the correct level of humility - in the form of a disclaimer - then you are an evil Objectivist.
To bring about the future, desired Utopia - Marxism/Abrahamism - we must level man down to uniform dust.

Ha!!
Hey Brian…this is what you are.
You are just more sly, cynical and clever - you self-deceive more convincingly.
The Ego and His Own.…Ha!!!
A less stern Stirner.
Modern day Diogenes…self-pleasuring himself in the Agora, to be seen, to ‘make a point’ of his exclusivity; to spit ni the eye of authority - da paulice!!!

Selectively skeptical; selectively stringent; selectively aware - self-deceiving. Best lies are those that sample reality, not those that contradict it.
Forever innocent, victim of otherness…whatever be thy name oh lord of otherness.

We’ll need a context of course.

How about the impeachment and the removal from office of Donald Trump.

Has he been impeached and removed from office as of today? No, in fact, in the either/or world that we all live in, he is still in office. On the other hand, is that a “universal truth”? Technically as it were?

Now this part:

Should he be removed from office?

Is there an “only correct” answer here as well? And how might any particular individual’s answer, as a value judgment, be construed in turn as either an objective truth or a universal truth?

How is this…

The only correct answer is…“We are all equally wrong, and the only thing left is to make compromises and agree what the most communally beneficial lie is to be our ‘truth’.”
Emphasis on “equally wrong” - parity in the negative.
Power of the Nil

…applicable to my example above?

Intent, imbecile…nothing can be measured without triangulation.

Subject/Object/Motive
What is the goal? The destination.
There is no blanket value-judgment, except in the simple minds of the world.

Trump’s impeachment- as if I could give a fuck what happens to that Zionist - should be evaluated in relation to the desired goal.
Yours is universal parity, no?
I do not believe in this, because I’ve never seen it.
Can you show me an example of absolute parity to be inspired?

Note to others :banana-linedance:

Unless of course I’m wrong.

See…disclaimers.
It is how you evade being an…“evil objectivist”.
An admission of fallibility.
Like the admission of sinfulness.

Then add patronizing cynicism to pretend indifferent superiority, without actually stating it.

Brian…he’s your man-child. Ha!!!
The Power of the Nil.
Seen it a million times.

And over the edge they go!!!

I’ve been doing this to minds of his ilk now for years, but: it still manages to amuse me. In other words, bringing them to this. Fit to be tied. Huffing and puffing, sputtering, babbling, stammering…beside themselves with exasperation.

Or, you know, so it seems to me. :wink:

Ha!!!
Nothing.

Brian…this is the kind of mind you identify with.
I would pity you…but you are innocent, no?
Nothing that happened, happens or will happen to you is of your making.
It’s all part of universal order.

Are you saying me and Biggs is like peas and carrots?

Beef and broccoli.
Shit and stain.

You know if these goddamn Honduran Mexicans would do some fucking work, I might get out of here by five and have some time to do philosophy with you fellas.

It don’t take no thirty minutes to paint a piece of brick molding, Antonio. Vamo-fucking-nos!

I know…you are the best institutionalized mind on the internets.

But back to reality…oops, there goes gravity.
He’s you in fifteen years when fate leads you outside the apartment of an old married hag, peeping in to master-bait, and a mule kicks you in the head as you try to escape her husband’s wrath.
Dead from the neck up.

Nil.

Bro. You stay away from retirement homes and any properties that might have mules on them. That’s like voyeurism 101 dude.

Though to give obscene credit where it is due…
rarely does one see it in such a stubborn neverending form.

It is true that once you have convinced yourself that nil is absolutely, objectively moral or politically correct, you are free to rationalize any and all behaviors.

However unnatural certain objectivists among us insist otherwise.

On the other hand, the objectivists are always stuck thinking and feeling and saying and doing only that which they insist is in sync with the real me in sync with the right [rational] thing to do.

If they dare do otherwise they risk the censure of those who no longer view them as “one of us”. They can then get thrown into, say, the dungeon. Or, for those convinced that Communism or fascism embodies the only “natural behaviors”, they may even be eliminated altogether.

However dangerous and destructive nihilism can be at least the nihilists are afforded so many, many more options. It just depends on how narcissistic or sociopathic they have become as nihilists. The nihilists who control the world’s economy, for example, make life a living hell for the millions who get in the way of their wealth and power. And heaven help those who cross the paths of nihilists who choose to become serial killers and vicious thugs.

But those sort of choices are no more necessarily a part of being a nihilist than the choices of those nihilists who do everything they can to actually make life better for others.

Right?

No matter who you are, you still have a value system, and that immediately makes you not a nihilist.

A true nihilist would just sit and die of dehydration, but the joke is in them, because they had the value of no value

Nihilists can have a personal value system but not a universal one.

News to me. You mean that moral system that applies to all beings (objective) that there are no objective morals? A direct contradiction !

I just made a post about truth tables in philosophy…

You might be interested

That’s a set empty of morals. Therefore it’s not actually a contraction since it’s a non-system.