Dutch Divorce Rate Skyrockets In Response To Alimony Reform

Firstly, what households is Engels talking about here?
The households that existed right before the advent of capitalism in Europe, or further back and abroad?
Because households weren’t monolithic before capitalism, there were different ways of organizing them.

Secondly, capitalism didn’t invent private property.
Every society had a mix of private and public property, and of hierarchy and heterachy.
Capitalism extolled private, but in practice it too was a mix.
Families always tended to look out for themselves and theirs first, and they always will, and there’s nothing wrong with that, in fact it’s normal, natural and healthy.

Before capitalism, families tended to be extensive, after capitalism, nuclear.

Within families, property tended to be shared, but between families, hoarded.

And it’s not now?
A mom with kids is protected and provided for, either by her husband and/or the state, whether she stays with or divorces him.

I’m not exactly sure how things were in the 19th century, but today, we don’t have a patriarchal family, fathers/husbands and/or the state owe mothers/wives provisions, she doesn’t have to sell herself into servitude or slavery for them, if he withholds them from her she can take half or more of his.
But even if she did have to sell herself into servitude for them, then that would be fair, if men are giving women something, it’s only fair they’re getting something about equal in return i.e. baths, massages, blowjobs, dinner, etcetera.
The moment mothers/wives stop providing these services for or divorce fathers/husbands to live on their own or off government, they’re not entitled to anything from them.

No, it makes him a slave to his wife.
He is obliged to protect and provide for her, but she’s not obliged to him for anything.
She doesn’t even have to stay with him or look after their kids, she can divorce him, let him keep the kids or give them up for adoption, and still take much or most of his money.
And of course she has the sole right to abort their kids (if it’s a woman’s right to choose whether their unborn children live or die, then it’s a man’s right to choose whether he’s responsible for them or not), and most of the time she gets custody even when custody is sought by both her and him.

What Engels is advocating for here is the complete enslavement of man to his wife.
He is a female supremacist.

You are a misandrist, and you are trying to destroy the family, unbeknownst to you or not.

The problem with Marxists is that they can’t or just don’t understand biological inheritance. They instead trivialize everything under social constructs like a magical wand trying to deconstruct everything.

Ironically the social constructs they try to deconstruct everything with is just another extension of biological inheritance. Biological extensions determine social constructs.

Of course this is what we can expect from a naive social utopian model like Marxism.

You’ll have to get through Dinah-Moe Humm first. Frank will show you how it’s done.

Promethean, are you saying the state should pay mothers money to cover the costs of taking care of their children and themselves, even if they and/or the fathers can cover the costs themselves?

Right, they believe virtually all differences, particularly differences in ability, empathy and sympathy, between individuals, families and races can be explained by (early) nurturing and mimetics rather than nature and genetics.
They believe we’re all equally valuable and that at our core, underneath the (early) nurturing and mimetics, equally capable and conscientious.
The difference between national socialists on the one hand and Marxist socialists on the other is we just want what we see as a fairer and more balanced economic hierarchy, whereas they want to eliminate hierarchy altogether.

They want to eliminate the family, culture and race by polyamory, miscemimation and miscegenation, whereas we want to preserve them.
They want to eliminate the family by the state paying mothers (and fathers, I’m sure many of them want to do away with the notion of fathers altogether) just to have, raise and rear kids, even if mothers (and fathers) can pay for them themselves.
They want to eliminate gender, sex and even species by transgenderism, transsexualism, transhumanism and human-animal hybridization.

Yea, funny that.

Too right.

after reading this thread full of ignorance and total nonsense,
I hope, I sincerely hope, none of you is married or ever have children…

and for those who can’t find a date… let me be the first to tell you,
because you are ignorant beyond belief… it is scary how little you know
about women or anything else for that matter…but what I find to be the truly
scary part, is that you have no idea, no clue as to how ignorant you are…

I hope you never have the chance to breed and have the ability to
spread your complete and total ignorance to the next generation…

Kropotkin

I hope you have to bury your children and grandchildren, if you have any.

What Marxists want is UBI, everyone to get paid 10 grand or so just for existing, and then whatever they make on top of that from their job if they have one they get to keep after after taxes.
What this would mean for relationships is an unemployed/underemployed woman could cohabit with or marry an employed man without being dependent on him.
As national socialists, we believe every able-bodied person should work for a living, and that patriarchy, where women serve men who protect/provide for them, is a valuable institution.

I plan on having lots of children, if I have a son I’ll name him Peter.

Men like yourself make me laugh. Women are simple enough, sexual capitalists that charge for their social company and physical sexual interactions. You pay the biological prostitute to have children with. With the vending machine between their legs just stick 100s inside them in order to reproduce.

It really does mind boggle me how most people can’t see how our entire societies is on the verge of collapse, chaos, and total breakdown. When it occurs everything people take advantage of today including women as a given will no longer exist, it’s as simple as that.

It’s about the dignity of people versus their enslavement. UBI is enslavement living on a government reservation.

They want to replace everybody with robots and machines living on the reservation collecting their UBI.

As for me I just want to return dignity, jobs, and opportunities back to men getting women to have children in large numbers so that we can have nation states full of collective pride once again.

Women or females are sexual capitalists, mercenaries, and biological prostitutes. They are the living and breathing embodiment of sexual crony capitalists with their out of control biological sexual hypergamy.

As individual identities they’re purely economic entities for hire, rent, or to own only, there is nothing sexually altruistic about them whatsoever.

Like any out of control capitalist monopoly in order to destroy it you need laws, regulations, and state sponsored interventions. Today’s sexual capitalists of modern women need to be completely reined in on.

Women need to be regulated and controlled otherwise their out of control nature will destroy entire societies, civilizations, or nations.

Women are Nature’s genes filters, and man’s meme filters.
They keep out of the gene-pool defective genes, and can be indoctrinated into ideologies to serve as methods of filtering out those that do not abide by memetic ideals.

This is why they are often resented by males. They are nature’s agencies that can be converted to ideological agencies.

There are different qualities of women.
Keeping with the ‘filter’ metaphor:
Some with a finer mesh; others with a wider gaping mesh.
Some self-loving, others self-hating; some intelligent, others simple; some more aware others completely oblivious.
Some with sensitive detection others with an insensitive, borderline numb, detection.
This determines what kind of filtering agency they are, and how successful they can be.
In general females have an evolved intuitive sense of detecting pretence and lies, but they are also prone to be swept away by a talented male pretender and liar.
It’s like the arms race. Sophisticated weapons to evade detection follow sophisticated weapons to detect them…and so on.

Lust is the chemistry of self-deception - a form of self-induced madness, permitting the overcoming of all skepticism and detection of bullshyte.
Pathos that clouds the rational and the intuitive mind. The effect does not last long.
We may say it is a radar jamming technology to permit intruders to pass through.
I’m mixing my metaphors.

Socialism ought to help the people help themselves, help them become financially independent (self-employed) and interdependent (social corporatism) rather than dependent on big business or government.
Socialism ought to increase both positive, and negative rights for the people rather than exchanging positive for negative.
UBI is about perpetual dependency and increasing positive at the expense of negative rights.
Those who give can also take away.
The objective is to exterminate 90% of us or more (especially whites, since we’re hardest to enslave), since they don’t need most of us to run the machines and enslave the rest.

Of course women are selfish, they put themselves (and their children) first and others second or not at all, just as men are selfish.
Women fantasize about being with handsome, charming and capable men, just as men fantasize about being with charming, beautiful and capable women.
Women look for good protectors and providers, whereas men look for good nurturers.
If a woman winds up with an ugly, broke bloke, it’s because she’s settling, she doesn’t think she can do much better or her bio-clock’s ticking, she doesn’t have a lot of time left

If a guy loses his job, becomes an alcoholic or otherwise takes a step or two further down the socioeconomic ladder than where he was when she met him, or conversely if she manages to improve herself or run into some money, then there’s a good chance she’ll leave him for something better, even if they invested a lot in each other (and their kids), and of course the courts are skewed in favor of women, further enticing them.
On the other hand, she may just try to bang some other dude on the side.

Women aren’t uniquely selfish in relationships or anything, it’s just their selfishness manifests a bit differently.

The trouble isn’t women so much as female supremacism, the notion women are somehow more altruistic and capable than men, that men are oppressors, which was sold to men and women by the elite for various reasons, whatever they may be, like divide and conquer, break up the family so as to make us more dependent on the state, like population reduction, like keeping women busy with careers, since much of their traditional work was made easier by machines, like making men docile, tame, henpecked and pussy-whipped, so they won’t rise up and defend what’s rightfully theirs.

I think the principle reason is the Jew needs to keep this idea women and minorities have been somehow historically held back going, in order for him to justify his leaching off society, so it’s impossible to criticize him for it.
As long the white man is full of white male guilt, he’ll never rise up and take back what’s rightfully his from the Jew and his minions.

Sounds like a bunch of pussy whipped rubbish to me, unlike you I don’t idealize women or put pussy on a pedestal.

I see women for the root conflict and bane of men’s existence for what they truly are, a conniving cute sexual predator along with being the primary root of all human social inequality behind all the disguising mascara or lipstick.

That’s the only thing the Abrahamic religions got right, the inherent sinful, destructive, malignant, or deceptive nature of women that pits men against men.

The prevailing philosophy or ideology of our era transhumanism combined with crony capitalism is entirely and thoroughly anti human. It masquerades as being progressive or the salvation of humanity but in reality it only destroys and seeks to reduce humanity by destroying all forms of its own independent agency.

It’s more than reproduction or children, the fact that women’s sexual instinctual impetus is always drawn to men’s power, dominance, affluence, and social standing ensures that there will always be human inequality, violence, and conflict. This is why sexual equality is fucking ridiculous because there is no reproductive equality, without reproductive equality there can never be any kind of sexual equality between men and women. Even more interesting is how modern feminism discusses sexual equality yet completely ignores reproductive inequality or how women’s sexual reproductive behavior is always predicated on the continuance of male social inequality itself.

Yea, the new plutocratic, scientific/technocratic, progressive, Jewish/non-white and matriarchal tyranny as opposed to the ole autocratic, religious/theocratic, conservative, non-Jewish/white and patriarchal tyranny.