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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Aegean » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:21 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:Because words are abstractions they can describe reality as some want it to be rather than how it actually is
Words are representations of abstractions.

surreptitious75 wrote:The interpretation of reality then becomes more important than reality itself even though we all see the world through a subjective lens
Everything we experience and everything we know is filtered through that lens so any expression of the absolute cannot really be known
Any expression of an absolute is in our own head but we mistake it as being in the world, or we intentionally convince ourselves that it is - self-deceit.
It would be like an artist mistaking his painting for the real thing...or painting something non-existent and imagining that is was in the world.

surreptitious75 wrote:The metaphysical unfalsifiable Abrahamic God is the supreme example of this for it is so perfect that it can only be a conception and not a reality
The secular version of this is the concept of Universe which does actually exist in reality but can only be experienced at a very infinitesimal level
And one other version of this is mathematical infinity which is only a concept but one that can also only be perceived at a very infinitesimal level
Yes.

The confusion of the representation for the represented is exploited by charlatans, hypocrites, and those who exploit human fears, needs and desires.
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Aegean » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:22 pm

It's the second oldest racket.
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Aegean » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:54 pm

Notice that within the nihilistic paradigm - where everything is inverted and names are replaced - 'god' has not gone but has been replaced by 'universe' or 'order', and the concepts of 'good/evil' are not overcome - by those who sometimes claim to be Nietzsche followers and apostles - but have been renamed as 'Nazi/Zionist'....or 'worthy/unworthy'....

Nihilism is entirely linguistic, because it is a psychological defence against existence - a reaction to an emerging self-consciousness.
It exists only as ideology, dogma....and is expressed politically, as marketing, as psychology.
Not philosophy proper.

The real usurped by the ideal. Body usurped by mind.

Outside language and the minds that understand them, nihilism is meaningless - non-existent, and so are its products - it's so called philosophies. Useless outside the minds that comprehend semiotics and can be influenced by them.
Modern philosophy, like modern spirituality is dominated by nihilism.
Begin your analysis with the concept represented by the English word 'god' - any linguistic equivalent will do.
Consider what it meant, and what it means.
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby MagsJ » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:39 pm

Aegean wrote:It's the second oldest racket.

The first being?
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. - MagsJ

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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:03 pm

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Re: Power of Nil

Postby surreptitious75 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:23 pm

God represents the absolute from a positive perspective for those who believe in him
Nihilism is the inverted negative version because there is no reward for its believers

The first cannot be proven and so could be false and the second denies all reason for existence and so are as opposite as it is possible to be
The rejection of both lies in finding meaning to ones own individual life while accepting reality cannot be changed in any fundamental way

The inevitability and eternity of death is unavoidable so one should simply focus on what one can change instead
The eternal reward for believers denies the biology that we are animals like all others and will die just like them

Reality has to be accepted as it is not denied or reinterpreted for our convenience
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby surreptitious75 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:28 pm

We cannot be the desert because we are just a single grain of sand and no more
We cannot be the ocean because we are just a single drop of water and no more
A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Aegean » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:55 pm

Indeed.
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Aegean » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:56 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Prostitution

And does not the priest also claim to be god's favourite concubine, through which great pleasure can be had?
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:48 am

Indeed,

Through the Power of Nil, and Cult of Innocence, it becomes obvious how the self-delusion of the slave-caste can morph into a pervasive neurosis that spreads over time. It becomes a luxury, taken by an 'elite' class of chosen, as a revenge against the real elite class of Warrior and Kings (Aristocracy). It's a mimicry that requires and needs forms of delusion, spread by lies, perpetuated by indoctrination into children. These "God's Children", "World Citizens", "Global Proletariat", "Chosen Ones", are hypocritical and push a religion of double-standards. Chosen by "God", yet, Chosen by Us, as long as you recite the themes (lies), play by (((our))) rules, and follow the Pre-Determined ethics, mythos, and morality.
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby MagsJ » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:22 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Prostitution

Oh!
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Aegean » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:45 am

The second being witch-doctor, that became shaman that became priest....
Sometimes superstition peddler, although the practice evolved and branched out.
It used to be a carrier of the tribe's lore, its accumulated knowledge and wisdom.
One part became science, philosophy and spirituality, and another became pseud-science, occultist philosophy and superstitions.

A split into astrology/astronomy, astrology/psychology, alchemy/chemistry, alchemy/ homeopathy etc.

From primitive towards advanced.

When Empires enter their final phase - their Dark Age - the ancient practices that worked in soothing the masses of desperate, ignorant, mostly illiterates, return.
This would include prophets, messiahs, superstition peddlers, and doom-sayers.
A cross section of ILP.

It's so predictable that it can be sued as a sign, a symptom that the system is declining.
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:47 pm

It seems like Mystics are simply failed Scientists or Doctors. The 'real' doctors, from pre-history, were measured by their successes, intelligence, and actual abilities. Those with lower intelligence, imitated or attempted to imitate, but failed, and thus the addiction began for justifications after-the-fact, along with dependency on 'faith' rather than the methods which were kept by the actual scientist/thinker/doctor/professional. So, simply put, the ones who succeeded are backed by reality (actual curing of disease) versus the plethora and more popular, faith-based believers who do not have a record of victories, despite them trumping up any 'miracle' or their compensating marketing-campaigns.

Those who can't actually cure, or perform, instead rely on marketing and emotional theatrics. Convince the ill that they are 'fine' and 'cured', instead of actually curing.
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Aegean » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:18 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:It seems like Mystics are simply failed Scientists or Doctors. The 'real' doctors, from pre-history, were measured by their successes, intelligence, and actual abilities. Those with lower intelligence, imitated or attempted to imitate, but failed, and thus the addiction began for justifications after-the-fact, along with dependency on 'faith' rather than the methods which were kept by the actual scientist/thinker/doctor/professional. So, simply put, the ones who succeeded are backed by reality (actual curing of disease) versus the plethora and more popular, faith-based believers who do not have a record of victories, despite them trumping up any 'miracle' or their compensating marketing-campaigns.

Those who can't actually cure, or perform, instead rely on marketing and emotional theatrics. Convince the ill that they are 'fine' and 'cured', instead of actually curing.
It's about having an effect to justify your status to the group.

Faith healers, like ancient shamans, relied on the power of persuasion - the Placebo effect.
Ancient shamans also had knowledge passed on from teacher to student, accumulating a pool of practical wisdom.

If you are unable to tell which is witch, you may fall victim to word-smiths and charlatans.
Gypsies using old-wives tales to manipulate gullible, desperate, degenerates.
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby MagsJ » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:32 am

Aegean wrote:The second being witch-doctor, that became shaman that became priest....
Sometimes superstition peddler, although the practice evolved and branched out.
It used to be a carrier of the tribe's lore, its accumulated knowledge and wisdom.
One part became science, philosophy and spirituality, and another became pseud-science, occultist philosophy and superstitions.

A split into astrology/astronomy, astrology/psychology, alchemy/chemistry, alchemy/ homeopathy etc.

From primitive towards advanced.

When Empires enter their final phase - their Dark Age - the ancient practices that worked in soothing the masses of desperate, ignorant, mostly illiterates, return.
This would include prophets, messiahs, superstition peddlers, and doom-sayers.
A cross section of ILP.

It's so predictable that it can be sued as a sign, a symptom that the system is declining.

Ok..
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. - MagsJ

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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Aegean » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:30 am

Goethe, Johann Wolfgang von wrote:In the beginning there was the action.
Then came the word, logos, to reveal and direct it; then came logos to conceal and use it to manipulate those not adept with it.

Activity - energy.
Existence is interactivity.
Patterned (order) and non-patterned (chaos) energies, i.e., vibrations/oscillations.
Use any metaphor to describe the same.

In Heideggerean contexts:
Space (chaos) = possibility
Matter/Energy (order) = probability

The nil is more powerful than the one, because it requires minimal effort and awareness to negate, destroy, reject.
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Aegean » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:27 pm

People with nothing to live for, nothing to fight for, are left with ego, the lucid part of self, as their last refuge.
People with no investment in the future and no past to be proud of and to draw sustenance from, are left with hedonism to distract them and to find some pride through.
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Re: Power of Nil

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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Aegean » Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:13 pm

The absence of absolutes makes the Nil powerful.
The individual demands certainty, finality, completion, , omnipotence, and omniscience, and if none are provided then it uses this as an excuse to remain as he/she is.
All is equally possible, without an absolute.
Death of God being the metaphor for the demise of this andromorphic absoluteness.
If this concept is not substitutes by a secular version - such as universe that replaces 'god's will' with hard-determinism - then it becomes an excuse to believe in any absurdity.
The negative is an open field where all opinions find parity.
Equality via absolute negativity, replacing parity via absolute positivity - singularity.
Absolute chaos replacing absolute order.
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby iambiguous » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:43 pm

σάτυρος wrote:What is nihilism?
The defensive reaction to reality, projecting into it what it denies existence to, i.e., the absolute.


Again, what on Earth, given his actual interactions with others, does this assessment encompass "for all practical purposes".

In other words, let him take us through his days. And each time he has an experience that embodies this "intellectual contraption" nihilism, he can describe in some detail the behaviors that he and others choose as either more or less nihilistic.

Or, perhaps, more or less natural?
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: Power of Nil

Postby Aegean » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:37 pm

iambiguous wrote:Again, what on Earth, given his actual interactions with others, does this assessment encompass "for all practical purposes".

In other words, let him take us through his days. And each time he has an experience that embodies this "intellectual contraption" nihilism, he can describe in some detail the behaviors that he and others choose as either more or less nihilistic.

Or, perhaps, more or less natural?
Why, you...your my example of how the nil is applied.
You are my example, dear boy.

You always have been.
A perfect, down to earth, example, in real time.
You are my theory in practice.
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby iambiguous » Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:33 pm

iambiguous wrote:Again, what on Earth, given his actual interactions with others, does this assessment encompass "for all practical purposes".

In other words, let him take us through his days. And each time he has an experience that embodies this "intellectual contraption" nihilism, he can describe in some detail the behaviors that he and others choose as either more or less nihilistic.

Or, perhaps, more or less natural?


σάτυρος wrote: Why, you...your my example of how the nil is applied.
You are my example, dear boy.

You always have been.
A perfect, down to earth, example, in real time.
You are my theory in practice.


Look, if he's not embarrassed to keep wiggling out of bringing his intellectual contraptions down to earth, I'm not embarrassed to keep pointing it out.

An "example of how the nil is applied" is simply what he tells us it is. Here, I am the example.

Okay, let's focus the discussion in on a set of circumstances we might all be familiar with. Then I will attempt to explain the extent to which as a moral nihilist, I differentiate that which appears to me to be true for all of us and that which seems more the embodiment of a personal opinion that others may not share.

He can choose the context.

Or, sure, once again, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle out of it.
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby iambiguous » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:02 pm

Yo, Aegean.

You're up!

Damn, you didn't get banned again, did you?
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby promethean75 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:36 pm

He left man. Took the midnight train to Georgia. But he'll be back. Said like once a month.

If you think about it he's kinda like zarathustra. Only when we deny him shall he return to us.
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Re: Power of Nil

Postby iambiguous » Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:55 pm

promethean75 wrote:He left man. Took the midnight train to Georgia. But he'll be back. Said like once a month.

If you think about it he's kinda like zarathustra. Only when we deny him shall he return to us.


I'd like to believe that if he left of his own accord it was because of me. Another big fat fish hurtling out of the barrel.

If you know what I mean. :wink:
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