It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and UNJUST

Russian people never had a centralized government; their Steppic continent was/is too big. Russians are Scandinavian and Norse people, mixed with Steppic Mongolians and Huns. They’re nomadic peoples, clannish and tribalist. Russians have traditionally had an inferiority complex toward Europeans, out of envy of their cultures, especially the French whom they admire more than others (Napoleon conquered Russia). Russians are naturally industrialistic and communistic. When it comes “naturally” to one race/ethnic group, that’s different than any supposed Marxism/Communism which is inflicted upon others. Many ethnic groupings are elitist and want no party in any hypothetical “universal brotherhood” or “proletariat of the workers”.

Most workers are simple-minded buffoons, and you know this very well. They don’t have leadership qualities, which are monopolized and indoctrinated by the elitists anyway. There are few ‘noble’ qualities within the working-populace.

French anti-Elitism, wrought out of contempt, is not the same as Russian anti-Elitism, wrought out of an inferiority complex. Russian people aren’t really ‘respected’ within Western and Southern European countries, perceived as invasive outsiders, tacky, gawdy, lacking sophistication, still retaining many ‘barbarian’ qualities of their ancestors. The English in particular, sneer upon Russian (and therefore Communist sentiment).

The Western World is still anti-Communist, due to the Anglo antagonism. This is relevant today, as the Neo-cons, Neo-libs, demonize Russia and Eastern Slavs, every chance they can get, accusing Trump of “colluding” with them, just because they’re a bunch of fucking losers.

that’s gotta be a pretty frickin small ‘grouping’ if it consists only of elitists. usually on planet earf, in order for a group to increase in size, it has to successfully manage it’s environment and divide up the labor involved in doing it. so if you got a group of only ‘elitists’, they’re either living off the wealth snatched from some other group, or on their way out (because none of them wanna work). dawkins once created an analogy model to describe what is called an evolutionarily stable strategy (ESS), and he used a community of birds to do it. in this community there are three types of birds, as follows:

grudgers: birds that will pick mites off of birds that pick mites off of them.
suckers: birds that will pick mites off of birds that don’t pick mites off of them.
cheats: birds that don’t pick mites off of other birds, but allow other birds to pick mites off of them.

and he explains how the cheat type is the only anomaly that wouldn’t allow a community with an ESS to exist. if you did the math, you’d see why. a community with cheats would result either in extinction, or extinction. you could have a temporarily stable group of cheats and suckers, but eventually nothing would be left but the cheats… and then nothing would be left at all… because they’d all die of mite infestation.

only a group of grudgers and suckers, or a group of grudgers and grudgers, or a group of suckers and suckers, would have an ESS.

now this analogy works well to describe the kind of relationship the ‘cheat’, which is the’elite’ (modern capitalist) would have to its community. so your hypothetical grouping of only ‘elite’ isn’t something realizable unless we’re talking 800 a.d. barbarism or post-apocalyptic mad max. which is to say, you can do your whole ‘kinsmen tribal’ thing, but it would have to be as a cult that rented out an apartment building or warehouse to live in and made its money trading stocks.

but that’s too easy, too simple. the grand project of mankind is more than that, and it involves building social ecosystems that are sustainable indefinitely. and to do that, we gotta get rid of the cheats or we’ll all go extinct.

and this is why i can’t pay any attention to these silly philosophy forum cliques made up of conservative nordic wanna-be alpha-males who play philosophy as if it were a dungeons and dragons role-playing card game. no, you guys are not, and will never be, the noble warriors of truth, nor will what the few of you ever say at a philosophy forum amount to more than a hill of beans. king arthur is dead, and we have killed him. stop stammering about your virtue like a blue-bottled priest! (that was a nietzsche re-mix, btw)

Everytime you level that argument, I just have the doubt that you could never create or lead a business of more than 10, let alone 100 or 1000 employees.

That you consider business/corporate ownership “leeching”, really refutes any point you could make. I don’t think you understand a mere fraction of responsibility that goes into it. The “elite” groups, aren’t necessarily elite, as you paint them. As-if there is only-cheating to rise to the top. It’s not that simple, not that black-and-white.

And in terms of race and ethnic groups, there will always be a dominant ‘Leadership’ group or caste. That’s nature. Groups want their best to lead them. If you have no group, like typical Westerners, then you won’t understand Europe, Russia, or the Eastern Hemisphere. Caste, Rank, Elite, come over decades and centuries. It takes 500 years to make a king, for example. It’s not something that “just happens” or “out of nowhere”. The “elites” are there for a reason.

Even the French had reasons to overthrow theirs, and, not coincidentally, which International-Cabal was spurning the French Revolts along???

The French lost their Morale and Empire after Bonaparte.

Attempting to impeach the duly-elected President of the United States, without a charge, without evidence, and under the condition of an anonymous source, is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and UNJUST!

This is one of the worst attacks and failures in US history. It will have serious consequences and blowback, for the Democrats, Liberals, Leftists, and the entire system. I hope and expect that the “whistleblower” is exposed through the Senate, as we the US public has a Right to face this accuser. Furthermore, after the Senate blocks the impeachment, which is doubtless, the US can only hope that the President uses his full power of office in retaliation against the DNC, Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, to expose their corruption, Joe and Hunter Biden’s no-show contract, and to make sure these threats are removed from power permanently.

The attacks against the First and Second Amendment, by the Left, might come to ahead. It’s time to test the Constitution and who is truly willing to protect this nation from (Liberal-Democrat) corruption. They want to silence; they want to take away our guns and Rights. They want to divide. So let the country divide. I think everybody knows which side will come out on top in the end.

You’re right, it’s time to bring those charges!

I wonder what you call the process by which they bring charges against a duly-elected President… maybe accusement?

Apparently you haven’t been paying attention? Don’t you live in DC??

Dems are trying to stretch “Using office for personal gain” as wide as possible. There’s no such Law, no such Crime. This baseless accusation could be posed against any President. It’s meaningless. It literally doesn’t mean anything. Did Obama “gain personally” through his president? Did Bush “gain personally”? Did Clinton? Did Reagan? Surely, all people “gain” personally by being President. How could you not? It’s a stupid, senseless, meaningless term, with no precedent in Law. No Crime!

“Bribe”? Nope. Coercion? Nope. Quid Pro Quo? Nope!

Trump was/is investigating Crime and Corruption in Ukraine. What did he discover, except Biden corruption, which is what this is all about. Dems, being defensive about their own corruption, try to launch an Impeachment claiming Trump is guilty of WHAT THEY ARE!!!] Democrats are the corrupt mother fuckers, who did shady and slimy business in Ukraine. Hunter Biden NO-SHOW JOB?! On US Taxpayer dollar?! And then claim it’s a crime to investigate this?!

Dems think they are immune from corruption, above the law!

JUSTICE is coming

The question isn’t whether they ‘gained personally’, it’s whether they abused the powers of the office for personal gain.

What do you mean by this? Several witnesses have testified that Trump withheld military aid to the Ukraine on the condition that the Ukraine announce an investigation of Biden. Quid = military aid, quo = Biden investigation.

This is implausible. If that were the real motivation, it would have been handled by the Department of Justice, not by the President’s personal attorney (who is not an employee or agent of the United States).

The question still stands.

Also the Liberal-Left-Media is protecting Biden and his corruption, giving his son a no-show work job in Ukraine at taxpayer expense. Sounds like “abuse of power”. I’m sure this accusation could apply to Obama, Bush, Clinton, again, a definition so broad as to be meaningless.

I like how you Liberal-Leftists make it a “crime” to investigate your Liberal-Left leaders (Biden/Obama/Clinton).

It’s also why the Media establishment is completely silent about Bill Clinton and Epstein’s Lolita Express. This is how corrupt you and they are. It’s “illegal” to bring down your corruption.

Quite frankly Trump did nothing wrong, he knows it, and more and more Americans know it with every passing day. Trump was Right(eous) to go looking into the Ukraine corruption. What did he find, except Biden, and Dem corruption?! Then this impeachment sham, is an attempt to coverup that corruption, with more corruption (false allegations, attempting a coup).

DOJ is corrupt too. Trump knows how deep the swamp is, and has to take matters into his own hands. That’s another reason he was voted in. He is outside the Establishment. He is Anti-Establishment. He is exactly what America wanted, exactly what is needed, and he knows the levels of corruption, because he’s paid-off plenty of politicians during his business career. Guliani also has a history of taking down Mob bosses (corruption).

So the shoe fits.

Quid Pro Quo Joe Biden, on the other hand, he has no excuse. It’s good that the underbelly of the Far-Liberal-Left and Democrat-Sham party, corruption, is all coming to light. Dems are desperate, hence their Hail Mary throw to impeach and silence the President. But there’s no receiver.

I hope Dems are voted out of office 2020 and 2022, full Republican-Right-Conservative government, House Republican control, Senate Republican control, Supreme Court lean Right, President Trump, sounds like a Trifecta!

Will you even have a job then, Careleas? Or are you down the line to be Fired too? You’re Fired! That’s why the people Hired him, Voted him, into office.

Two things:

  1. “Maybe Obama did it too” is a boring question. Make a specific allegation and show your evidence.
  2. Assume every president to now has done what Trump is accused of doing – are you saying that they were all OK, or are you saying that they should all have been removed (including Trump)?

This is non-responsive. You said there was no quid pro quo, I gave you the quid and the quo. Reconcile those things.

Whether or not that’s true, ours is a government of laws. Trump isn’t king, he’s the head of the executive in a democracy, whose powers are explicit and limited and flow from the Constitution and laws written by Congress. If he senses corruption, his job is to clean house, not to employ mercenaries because he doesn’t trust the employees of the executive branch.

Most people who voted voted for someone else, and almost half the population didn’t vote.

Evidence? Who needs evidence, these days? Certainly not the Democratic party!

All we need now, set by this precedent, is blind-hatred and throwing accusations. Due Process, not required.

It’s not a Quid Pro Quo when you investigate corruption (of Biden and DNC).

It’s very much accidental. Trump wanted to ensure Ukraine wasn’t corrupt; instead he found Biden by circumstance.

Ukraine corruption revealed/reveals Democrat corruption. Democrats respond by trying to impeach, to cover their tracks. Too late!

Law?! What law? There is no law against “abuse of power”. It doesn’t make sense. In order for there to be laws, there must be Crimes for breaking them.

Democratic Impeachment proves Lawlessness. They maybe “entitled” to do so, according to the rules. But trying to impeach a duly-elected President, without merit, without evidence, without proof, without charging a crime (Real Law), is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and UNJUST.

As was recently mentioned, this week, Congress (Democrats) are abusing their power. Completely SHAM impeachment, absolutely Partisan, polarizing, divisive. The Democrats are responsible for dividing the nation, not Trump, not anybody else.

304 – 227

Not even close. Try again.

This is a tu quoque fallacy. Regardless of what the Democratic party does, you have not presented evidence.

It seems like you’re trying to have it both ways. On the one hand, you’re claiming there was no quid pro quo; on the other, you’re claiming that Trump was trying to make a deal (i.e. a quid pro quo) to fight corruption. Put differently, you’re arguing both that he didn’t do it, and that he did it with the best of intentions.

The power of the Presidency is circumscribed by law. The President only has that authority given to the position by the Constitution, the largest part of with is in executing the laws as passed by the Legislature. The President’s authority is limited by the set of laws he’s charged with executing.

So, when you ask, “Law? What law?”, the burden is on the President and his defenders to point to a law that permits him to hire a personal attorney to conduct state affairs, as opposed to using the apparatus that the Legislature has provided for him.

Are you under the impression that a total of 531 people voted in the 2016 election?

No testimony, no fact, that there is “Quid Pro Quo”, just flawed interpretation, based on Democratic hatred and emotion. That’s called “reading into it whatever you want”. No aide withheld. And, based on the charges, it wouldn’t matter whether aide was released, or not, because you setup and Framed the President, to be in a lose-lose, guilty-guilty postion. Damned if he did release Aide, damned if he didn’t. Plenty of fallacies in your argument and positions there.

The point is, Congress is abusing power and acting above the Law. You can’t impeach a President for nothing, because you don’t like him, because of emotion/hatred. Well, you can try, and you will go down hard. Because the Constitution is on the President’s side, along with the Supreme Court. It’s going to be excellent watching the Whistleblower-Leaker become exposed in the Senate, Shift brought to testify, Biden brought to testify, Burisma investigated, Biden and son investigated, Democratic corruption investigated, exposed, and Democrats deposed from power for 20 years to come. All Republican-Conservative House, Executive, Supreme Court, then the nation can move forward unobstructed. This is what happens when you play with fire and lose.

It’s called the Electoral College. Democrats need to figure-out it works.

Irony:
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Describe, in specific, what Trump was doing to “ensure Ukraine wasn’t corrupt”. As far as I can tell, the only theory of the case that includes Trump acting to eliminate corruption has Trump withholding military aide in order to force the Ukraine to investigate Biden. That is a quid pro quo.

So either there was no quid pro quo, no withholding of aide, or there was no attempt to deal with corruption in the Ukraine. Not both.

…right. And electoral votes are different from the popular vote, yes? And if we’re talking about “the people”, we care about the popular vote, not the Electoral College. And if we look at the popular vote, it’s clear that “Most people who voted voted for someone else, and almost half the population didn’t vote.”

The liberal mindset is insane. Where in the call is it implied or even remotely suggested that “investigate Biden OR ELSE?!”

Nowhere. Trump is perfectly within his Right to ask Ukraine to investigate corruption, foreign and domestic. If Biden is corrupt, then the request is completely legitimate. And he is. Quid Pro Quo Joe and his Son, nice no-show job in Ukraine at Burisma, under the Obama administration, admitted on video. THAT’s the corruption and Quid Pro Quo, for Joe.

…right. And electoral votes are different from the popular vote, yes? And if we’re talking about “the people”, we care about the popular vote, not the Electoral College. And if we look at the popular vote, it’s clear that “Most people who voted voted for someone else, and almost half the population didn’t vote.”
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Popular Vote is meaningless, literally doesn’t mean anything.

Electoral College is setup so Presidential candidates don’t spend 100% of their time in California and New York.

Even you should know that.

Race is still important and this will become abundantly clear as more white people begin to notice there’s a whole lot less of us out there in existence becoming the new population minority. Marxism didn’t have any influence on national socialism or fascism from what I can see.

you do not understand what the master of cynical negation si telling you.
I can…;cause I’m brilliant. He taught me to declare what I want others to believe of me.
Well, him and this entire forum of geniuses.

He’s telling you it was determined that black be blacks and whites be white…and you cannot blame them for what the universe - a.k.a. god - made them to be.
Might s well hate a mosquito for annoying you at night.

It’s all determined and we are manifestations of what has been determined and will forever live the exact lives it has been determined that we live.

So, except for the fucking police and those damn judges, we cannot blame anyone. All are innocent victims of circumstances.
I exposed my cock, yesterday, to an old lady…as it was determined that I do…and she did not call the police but called me over. It’s fate.
I had no part in any of it…even as she pleasured me to a happy ending, in the backroom of a bookstore.
I thank the absolute universe for that gift.

  1. We don’t have a transcript, because the White House refuses to provide a transcript that they insist contains nothing worth hiding.
  2. This happened over months. Military aid was withheld at least as early as July 3.

I find the people saying this also put a lot of weight on the notion that “the people” elected Trump. It’s true that the system elected Trump, but most people who voted voted for someone else.

Pretty weak arguments…

The Senate comes next, I look forward to this “whistleblower” being exposed and Biden’s investigated.

How did that get into your bubble of belief?

And there is a damn good reason for that to be the law.

Not as weak as the rebuttal :wink:

  • Irregularities in the released transcript, together with testimony of others on the call, show that we don’t have an actual transcript.
  • Mulvaney said they have tapes from which the transcript was produced.

Whether or not it’s a good policy, its pedantically the case that winning the Electoral College and winning the popular vote are different things, and if you appeal to the will of the people, you expose yourself to pedants like me pointing out that, wellactually, the people mostly preferred someone else.