Foreign immigration is merely a tool utilized by private corporations to bring down wages and bring in cheap foreign labor as a sort of arbitrage in suppressing the working classes, this why the open borders multiracial neo-liberals I find to be entirely amusing. On the one hand you say that you care about the American working class where on the other you support the very things that seeks to stamp it out of existence and reduce it to nothing.
The common denominator of all foreign immigrant sanctuary cities or regions is that they’re all sanctuaries for cheap foreign labor ensuring the wages of the working class remain artificially stagnant. The hypocrisy and double standards of both communists or neo-liberals on this subject are mind boggling. I don’t even know how you guys keep a straight face anymore talking such nonsense with your open borders tripe.
I think liberalism as a two fold inverted pyramid, with Liberalism at it’s head and neo-liberalism and the 'New Left ’ having similar attributes , with the New Left perverted the distinction between the material and politically devised transformation at it’s heart- began the bargaining chip for the downgrade of politocal their I and honesty, ending in the cliche - 'polotocal correctness- a generation later, whereas that correctness was paid for by the Freudian economic laxity, in the form of cheaper moral prices and standard flagbearers .
Orgies of depravity created bubbles of nationalistic nationalistic discontent, and the Deep South changed alliances on the basis of biblical mythologies.
Now , where in the heck can the judiciary, and the executive develop intelligence corresponding to control issues related to the execution of the great divide that has to diminish am undervalued executive power , and undervalue it’s minimalization?
Trumpism was created way before Trump.
The corporation understands only one language : its either my way or no way.
There really is no difference between democratic neo-liberals and republican neo-conservatives, concerning both political parties they take their orders from Jewish zionist Wallstreet. The differences are minor and trivial at best.
One reason why I have no loyalties to capitalism and the very reason I’m a national socialist is because capitalism is only loyal to greed, profit, or cheapening economic profits. That is why white nationalism and capitalism are not compatible, it is why international capitalism seems to undermine white identity or hegemony because its loyalty is to money alone. It will continue on destroying or devastating white western civilization if it can make an easy quick buck to do so in the name of private capital accumulation.
International capital has no loyalties to nation, public well being, culture, family, race, ethnicity, tradition, society or family, its loyalty is to profit accumulation alone. Capitalism doesn’t seem to elevate human beings into a higher transcendental experience, instead it seems to reduce human beings to the lowest common denominator to a captive herd of mindless consumers, debt slaves, and gears within the global homo machine. This is where I criticize other white nationalists with their so called envisionment of some kind of national capitalism, no, the only way of protecting or safeguarding a nation state is within a firm intervening socialist framework.
Zero_Sum: White nationalism at least my variation of it has nothing to do with being superior or supremacism, those are mainstream political propaganda talking points Peter utilized to constantly smear against us. I don’t believe in the narrative that whites are superior at all to other races or vice versa.
We simply just want to survive, exist, have our own vibrant white European communities, and be left alone to ourselves independently without being forced into multiracial integration. We see no future for ourselves in such a forceful or imposed multiracial integration process. As for the Irish, I like the Irish.
K: and we have the great myth…that there is some sort of “vibrant white European” culture…
it doesn’t exists… can you tell me what the “vibrant white European” music is?
or what the “vibrant white European” culture even is?
there is no such thing as a “vibrant white European community” what is in fact true, is that
all cultures, beg, borrow or steal culture from other cultures…music for example,
Rock and Roll, sounds simple enough and yet, it derives from American Blues… and we
have such musicians as the Rolling Stones, the Who, Eric Clapton admitting as much…
without the blues, we don’t have Rock and roll…let us try this, remove the blacks
from the modern rock scene, what is left? basically you have Andy Williams and
Pat Boone… sad as that sounds…and this is true in music, art, painting, sculpture,
our social construct of America is based upon a mix of vastly diverse cultures that
has impacted America… it has become so entrenched that we cannot see it anymore,
but our social, economic, political, cultural milieu is one that is constructed by and
defined by immigrants, past and present…
we cannot escape the influence of immigrants in our society for immigrants
have defined and redefined what it means to be an American…
the list of immigrants that have defined America is long and vast from Alexander
Hamilton to Natalie Portman and including (in no particular order) Bruce Willis,
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Albert Einstein, Sergey Brin, Tesla, Mila Kunis, Sammy Sosa,
Levi Strauss, Charlize Theron, Henry Kissinger, Guillermo del Toro… tell me that they had no
direct impact or influence on America politically, culturally, socially, economically…
your life today is dramatically and powerfully impacted by these and other immigrants…
Kropotkin claims whites have no culture, cites rock and roll as an example.
1stly, white music is more than popular music, it’s also folk and classical music.
2ndly, white popular music is more than rock, it’s also country, pop and electronic music.
3rdly, white artists like Bill Haley, Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis were arguably just as pivotal to rock’s formation as black artists like Chuck Berry.
4thly, black artists used instruments and technology like drum kits, electric guitars, pianos, amps , mics and recorded it on, records, instruments and technology invented by whites.
5thly, black artists were just as influenced by white music in general with its emphasis on chord progressions and harmony as they were by their own music with its emphasis on rhythm.
Finally, rock has evolved way beyond Chuck Berry e.g. prog rock, heavy metal, new wave, etcetera.
Rock is mostly a white thing.
Whites have their own music, just as we have our own everything, our own art, architecture, cinema, literature, fashion, cuisine, our own philosophy, religion and science (for me, science is partly cultural, I don’t see it as being this wholly objective, universal enterprise, for instance there’re scientific theories widely accepted by western scientists that’re widely rejected by Chinese and Indian scientists, but I digress), our own customs, history and values.
Of course we’ve been influenced by others, but in the last several centuries, who’s been doing the lion’s share of the influencing?
Whites invented the modern world, both materially, and culturally.
I look forward to the dollar crashing where your pimps and whores are emptied onto the street hanging from trees with nooses around their necks. If I was Trump, I wouldn’t want to be president when this occurs, same for the democrats also. Doesn’t really matter who is president at the time.
The fact you say white people or white Europeans don’t have any culture shows it was a mistake thinking I could even talk to you as a rational adult. I won’t make that same mistake, enjoy this thread by yourself if you insist on being ignorant or irrational. I should of known better from the start.
Gloominary: Kropotkin claims whites have no culture, cites rock and roll as an example.
K: yep and the reason is quite simple, that there is no such thing as a “white” culture,
society or science or technology…I am white and yet my mom who did one of those
ancestry DNA test came up with some surprises… we have a bit of Ashkenazi Jew in
us as well as two separate African hits and some native American… but we are mostly
Irish-English…take a DNA test and you will find that you are not white… you are a mixture
of a vast number of people… there is no such thing as a “white” culture because there
is no such thing as a “white” people… and in the beginning, in the beginning we all
came from Africa… every single human being on planet earth comes from Africa…
the Germans and their very proud Aryan heritage has some serious cracks in it…
as Germany was run over time after time after time by tribes from as far away
as Persia and Mongolia… there is no such thing as pure Aryan heritage… mix mongrels
at best…
you are taking pride in something that doesn’t exist…
G:
1stly, white music is more than popular music, it’s also folk and classical music.
2ndly, white popular music is more than rock, it’s also country, pop and electronic music.
3rdly, white artists like Bill Haley, Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis were arguably just as pivotal to rock’s formation as black artists like Chuck Berry.
4thly, black artists used instruments and technology like drum kits, electric guitars, pianos, amps , mics and recorded it on, records, instruments and technology invented by whites.
5thly, black artists were just as influenced by white music in general with its emphasis on chord progressions and harmony as they were by their own music with its emphasis on rhythm.
Finally, rock has evolved way beyond Chuck Berry e.g. prog rock, heavy metal, new wave, etcetera.
Rock is mostly a white thing.
K: Rock is mostly a white thing and what is “white”? you are simply wrong on the facts…
popular music like the Beatles who incorporated music from India like the Sitar
and Peter Gabriel and Paul Simon who has incorporated African music into their
songs… the basis of Rock music is the blues and that is descends from African
slave music… the very basis of Rock music is African music…
as for Elvis and Jerry lee Lewis and bill Haley… really, they were raised on
black music and gospels… read a biography of them… about Elvis for example,
Sam Phillips, the owner of Sun records where Elvis did his first recordings, said
“If I could find a white man who had the negro sound and the negro feel,
I could make a billion dollars” no black influence there :-" the very first hit of
Elvis was a 1946 blues remake…you are trying very hard to separate out
something that cannot be separated… music is based upon very diverse
styles and part of that diverse nature is the mixing of different styles…
G: Whites have their own music, just as we have our own everything, our own art, architecture, cinema, literature, fashion, cuisine, our own philosophy, religion and science (for me, science is partly cultural, I don’t see it as being this wholly objective, universal enterprise, for instance there’re scientific theories widely accepted by western scientists that’re widely rejected by Chinese and Indian scientists, but I digress), our own customs, history and values.
Of course we’ve been influenced by others, but in the last several centuries, who’s been doing the lion’s share of the influencing?
Whites invented the modern world, both materially, and culturally.
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K: you are so wrong, I am not sure where to begin?..
ok, how about this, the beginning of the modern age came about when
the various text and manuscripts of the ancient Greeks and Romans
came back to the west from the Arabic world in the 11, 12 and 13 century…
we have a rebirth, a Renaissance of knowledge based upon these formerly
lost texts…from the Arabic world…
the building of the modern age comes from sources beyond some magical
thinking… much of the modern thinking comes from the travels
and adventures of those who travel the world… for example, much
philosophical thinking in the 16th and 17th century was about the
“noble savages” of the new world… which is found in much of Rousseau’s work
in the 18th century…the very existence of the American Indian created a
major rethinking into what it means to be human…
much of Darwin’s work involved the understanding of cultures outside of the
European world…much of science and philosophy and archeology and history
come from a understanding of the vast breath and width of ancient societies
like China and India and southeast Asia…but you do not take into effect the
existence of people like the greatest poet in Russian history… Alexander Pushkin…
what does an Russian writer like Pushkin have to do with your thesis Kropotkin?
Pushkin great grandfather came from Africa… Pushkin was part African…
this is the type of influence that rarely gets into the history books…
you cannot any type of case for white society or white culture because
it comes from somewhere else…
I would dig deeper into this but dinner calls my name…
K: and I was wondering who would bring this old foolishness up first… just because
I dismiss your thesis, suddenly I am a “white self hating anti-white reject”
if any disagrees with you “white” types, that person is always a “self hating white”
you simply dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as “self hating”…I am clearly
not “self hating” (but I find it interesting that you always turn to hate first)
anyway, I am above such nonsense as nationalism and “white culture” it means
absolutely nothing…
nationalism and “white culture” has nothing to say about what it means to
be human… it is complete and udder nonsense to think we are simply separate
and distinct tribes… nationalism and “white culture” isn’t science and it isn’t
culture and it isn’t philosophical and it isn’t thinking…it is fear based emotions…
I am old and I have passed by your empty, shallow, narrow thinking decades ago…
I exist in the 21st century… your thinking is in the 19th century with its talk of
whites and nationalism and being fear base…you are dinosaurs…and the world
has already passed you by…you just don’t know it yet…I freely admit, I kinda feel
sorry for you… and off to bed…
Afro-Americans invented their culture ex nihilo, in vacuum or void, like God, whereas those soulless white devils had to appropriate theirs from everyone else.
Same with DNA.
White people aren’t a race, we’re just albino Dravidians, or at least that’s what some unthinking, uneducated Afro-supremacists told me.
I took a DNA test from Ancestry, it came back 100% white, 50% Italian, 31% English and Welsh, 13% Irish and Scottish and 6% German.
I’m sure I’m not an anomaly.
That was tens if not hundreds of thousands of years ago.
We didn’t stop evolving after we left Africa.
Africans didn’t stop evolving either.
Modern Africans don’t have much, if anything more in common with paleolithic Africans than we do.
If it’s not absolutely white, it’s black right?
There’s specs of yellow, green and brown on red apples, does that make red apples not red?
You can find many genes all over the world, but some genes are much more common among the native populations of some regions of the world than others.
Some genes cooccur much more frequently with some genes than with others.
Tell that to the police officer when he asks you for the race of the man who robbed you.
The vast majority of rock doesn’t incorporate music directly from Africa or directly or indirectly from the rest of the 3rd world.
But the vast majority of modern 3rd world music incorporates 1st world music.
The basis of rock music is as much country as it is blues.
Did Africans develop blues in Africa some time in the 14th century, or was blues developed only after Africans came into contact with European instruments and compositions?
Elvis, Haley and Lewis were as influenced by country as they were by blues.
Rock began as a hybrid of black and white music, not wholly black as you maintain, but evolved into something mostly white.
There’s been few, if any black artists of note since Jimi Hendrix, and he wasn’t even black, he was part native.
Moreover, blacks aren’t even black, most blacks are mulattos, half black, half white, so really at most rock is 50% black, if not 75%, 87.5% or 93.75% white.
Greeks and Romans, again white.
Almost every artist, musician, thinker and inventor of note since the renaissance has been white.
Nearly every cultural, social, political, economic and technological revolution…
Savages had little to teach us, they inadvertently helped Rousseau and a few others to come up with some interesting thought experiments.
If observing criminals helps me better understand human nature, does that mean my insights were a product of their genius?
If observing apes helps me better understand primate nature, does that mean my insights were a product of ape genius?
No, they were a product of mine.
The savages, criminals and apes played a passive role in the philosophers’ insights, the philosophers’ played the active role.
To the philosophers belong the credit.
In any case, the vast majority of our revolutionary insights didn’t come from observing savages, they came from rediscovering European antiquity, turning inward, thinking about ourselves, our beliefs, thoughts, feelings and perceptions, our relationship with our fellow countrymen and the natural world, the civilization we lived in and imagining how it could be improved.
Did Asians invent constitutional monarchy, the republic and democracy?
Did they end serfdom and slavery?
And who’s idea was it to explore the entire globe, for that matter to explore the deep sea and outer space?
To examine all these cultures for insight, use what made sense and discard the rest?
But if anything the 3rd world, with all its barbarism and savagery, set a negative example
We learned how not to do things.
So much of European society came out of who we were, and what we dreamt of becoming, not aping Africans, native Americans or Asians.
The founding fathers of Canada, the US and Australia looked primarily to Athens, Rome and the UK for inspiration, not to Africa, the Americas or Asia.
If I was Trump, I wouldn’t want to be president when this occurs, same for the democrats also. Doesn’t really matter who is president at the time. 
