Neoliberalism explained

I hear you… however I must caution you to understand
the difference between the political and the economic…

it is quite clear far too many people mix and match the two
distinct and different ism’s…the reason I offer up this caution is
because of a phrase you used… Neo-liberals… are you using this
in the economic phrase “Neoliberalism” or are you using this
in a political sense? it is important to keep the two distinct
and separate because therein lies the failure of say, soviet communism…
they, Lenin and Stalin, they tried to stretch an economic theory into
a political theory and it fail, a rather spectacular failure to be sure…

and that failure has tainted communism… but we must understand
what the failure was…

we cannot use an economic theory as a political theory…
this is done all the time and in fact what has happened in the U.S…

the economic theory of democracy has gone underneath the economic
theory of capitalism…the political has become subservient to the economic…
to the detriment of both… we view the United States as an economic entity
whereas our founding fathers saw it as a political entity… and therein lies the great
problem we are facing…

the real question becomes this: what does it mean to be an American?

I view the questions you raised from a different standpoint then you,
questions like democracy, open borders, globalism, “radical” feminism,
radical individualism, multiracial societies and foreign immigration…

is American still America if whites are no longer a majority?

and the answer is, of course it is…

you view America through a certain lens as do I…my lens is far
different then yours because I don’ see white Americans as being
somehow superior to other races or ethnic minorities…for example,
America has always, always been a multiracial society…I am Irish-English…
in the 1820’s to the start of the civil war, the Irish was the most despised
nationality in America, bar none. it was quite common for signs to be
in stores, bars, restaurants “Irish not allowed”… simple and to the point…
the Irish was the single most discriminated against nationality in America for over
30 years…it wasn’t until the Irish entered various police forces en masse that the Irish
became part of America and that was in the 1870’s to 1900…now tell me, what has
the Irish contributed to America over the last 120 or so years? what haven’t they
contributed? in every aspect of America life, the Irish have help create modern America…
without the Irish, America would have been a whole lot poorer…

your idea’s, your viewpoint would keep the Irish out and we would have been the worse
for it…

I am a amature historian… I love reading about history…

Rome was a falling society around 270 to 300 AD… what saved it?
Rome brought in various tribes into the Roman society… The Visigoths for example
were one tribe that Rome brought into the empire peacefully…it was known as the
“volkerwanderung” “the Wandering of the peoples”

this stabilized the Roman empire to the point where Rome lasted 170 years past
the point where it should have collapsed… the mass migration of gothic tribes
allowed the Roman empire to last another several generations…

did the “Roman’s” ever become a minority? no, but is that important?

no… it depends upon how you define the “Romans”? how do you view
the Romans and more importantly, how did they identify themselves?

the incoming tribes wanted to be Romans, they wanted the higher standard
of living the Romans has… does this sound familiar to immigration today?

I believe in open borders because I don’t think of people as being
different…we human beings have certain needs that must be met…
we need love and food and water and shelter and security and health
care and education… all those basic needs are what every single person
on planet earth needs…the great damage isn’t from the common person
seeking a better life, no the great damage comes from those who already
have the basics and they want more, more power and money and
fame and influence…the great damage done to America isn’t being done
by the average immigrant, but is done by the wealthy like the Koch brothers
and Sheldon Anderson… those who contribute to the dangerous and damaging
Neoliberalism that infects the landscape of America…

but once again it depends upon how you view America…that is the
criteria that is needed to decide what is “right” or “wrong” for America…

Kropotkin

White nationalism at least my variation of it has nothing to do with being superior or supremacism, those are mainstream political propaganda talking points Peter utilized to constantly smear against us. I don’t believe in the narrative that whites are superior at all to other races or vice versa.

We simply just want to survive, exist, have our own vibrant white European communities, and be left alone to ourselves independently without being forced into multiracial integration. We see no future for ourselves in such a forceful or imposed multiracial integration process. As for the Irish, I like the Irish.

Will respond to your other points later Peter.

Foreign immigration is merely a tool utilized by private corporations to bring down wages and bring in cheap foreign labor as a sort of arbitrage in suppressing the working classes, this why the open borders multiracial neo-liberals I find to be entirely amusing. On the one hand you say that you care about the American working class where on the other you support the very things that seeks to stamp it out of existence and reduce it to nothing.

The common denominator of all foreign immigrant sanctuary cities or regions is that they’re all sanctuaries for cheap foreign labor ensuring the wages of the working class remain artificially stagnant. The hypocrisy and double standards of both communists or neo-liberals on this subject are mind boggling. I don’t even know how you guys keep a straight face anymore talking such nonsense with your open borders tripe.

I think liberalism as a two fold inverted pyramid, with Liberalism at it’s head and neo-liberalism and the 'New Left ’ having similar attributes , with the New Left perverted the distinction between the material and politically devised transformation at it’s heart- began the bargaining chip for the downgrade of politocal their I and honesty, ending in the cliche - 'polotocal correctness- a generation later, whereas that correctness was paid for by the Freudian economic laxity, in the form of cheaper moral prices and standard flagbearers .

Orgies of depravity created bubbles of nationalistic nationalistic discontent, and the Deep South changed alliances on the basis of biblical mythologies.

Now , where in the heck can the judiciary, and the executive develop intelligence corresponding to control issues related to the execution of the great divide that has to diminish am undervalued executive power , and undervalue it’s minimalization?

Trumpism was created way before Trump.
The corporation understands only one language : its either my way or no way.

There really is no difference between democratic neo-liberals and republican neo-conservatives, concerning both political parties they take their orders from Jewish zionist Wallstreet. The differences are minor and trivial at best.

One reason why I have no loyalties to capitalism and the very reason I’m a national socialist is because capitalism is only loyal to greed, profit, or cheapening economic profits. That is why white nationalism and capitalism are not compatible, it is why international capitalism seems to undermine white identity or hegemony because its loyalty is to money alone. It will continue on destroying or devastating white western civilization if it can make an easy quick buck to do so in the name of private capital accumulation.

International capital has no loyalties to nation, public well being, culture, family, race, ethnicity, tradition, society or family, its loyalty is to profit accumulation alone. Capitalism doesn’t seem to elevate human beings into a higher transcendental experience, instead it seems to reduce human beings to the lowest common denominator to a captive herd of mindless consumers, debt slaves, and gears within the global homo machine. This is where I criticize other white nationalists with their so called envisionment of some kind of national capitalism, no, the only way of protecting or safeguarding a nation state is within a firm intervening socialist framework.

Zero_Sum: White nationalism at least my variation of it has nothing to do with being superior or supremacism, those are mainstream political propaganda talking points Peter utilized to constantly smear against us. I don’t believe in the narrative that whites are superior at all to other races or vice versa.

We simply just want to survive, exist, have our own vibrant white European communities, and be left alone to ourselves independently without being forced into multiracial integration. We see no future for ourselves in such a forceful or imposed multiracial integration process. As for the Irish, I like the Irish.

K: and we have the great myth…that there is some sort of “vibrant white European” culture…
it doesn’t exists… can you tell me what the “vibrant white European” music is?
or what the “vibrant white European” culture even is?

there is no such thing as a “vibrant white European community” what is in fact true, is that
all cultures, beg, borrow or steal culture from other cultures…music for example,
Rock and Roll, sounds simple enough and yet, it derives from American Blues… and we
have such musicians as the Rolling Stones, the Who, Eric Clapton admitting as much…
without the blues, we don’t have Rock and roll…let us try this, remove the blacks
from the modern rock scene, what is left? basically you have Andy Williams and
Pat Boone… sad as that sounds…and this is true in music, art, painting, sculpture,
our social construct of America is based upon a mix of vastly diverse cultures that
has impacted America… it has become so entrenched that we cannot see it anymore,
but our social, economic, political, cultural milieu is one that is constructed by and
defined by immigrants, past and present…

we cannot escape the influence of immigrants in our society for immigrants
have defined and redefined what it means to be an American…

the list of immigrants that have defined America is long and vast from Alexander
Hamilton to Natalie Portman and including (in no particular order) Bruce Willis,
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Albert Einstein, Sergey Brin, Tesla, Mila Kunis, Sammy Sosa,
Levi Strauss, Charlize Theron, Henry Kissinger, Guillermo del Toro… tell me that they had no
direct impact or influence on America politically, culturally, socially, economically…

your life today is dramatically and powerfully impacted by these and other immigrants…

your basic premise is wrong… end of story…

Kropotkin

“Wallstreet whore.”

Wallstreet PIMP, thank you.

Kropotkin claims whites have no culture, cites rock and roll as an example.

1stly, white music is more than popular music, it’s also folk and classical music.
2ndly, white popular music is more than rock, it’s also country, pop and electronic music.
3rdly, white artists like Bill Haley, Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis were arguably just as pivotal to rock’s formation as black artists like Chuck Berry.
4thly, black artists used instruments and technology like drum kits, electric guitars, pianos, amps , mics and recorded it on, records, instruments and technology invented by whites.
5thly, black artists were just as influenced by white music in general with its emphasis on chord progressions and harmony as they were by their own music with its emphasis on rhythm.
Finally, rock has evolved way beyond Chuck Berry e.g. prog rock, heavy metal, new wave, etcetera.

Rock is mostly a white thing.

Whites have their own music, just as we have our own everything, our own art, architecture, cinema, literature, fashion, cuisine, our own philosophy, religion and science (for me, science is partly cultural, I don’t see it as being this wholly objective, universal enterprise, for instance there’re scientific theories widely accepted by western scientists that’re widely rejected by Chinese and Indian scientists, but I digress), our own customs, history and values.
Of course we’ve been influenced by others, but in the last several centuries, who’s been doing the lion’s share of the influencing?
Whites invented the modern world, both materially, and culturally.

I look forward to the dollar crashing where your pimps and whores are emptied onto the street hanging from trees with nooses around their necks. If I was Trump, I wouldn’t want to be president when this occurs, same for the democrats also. Doesn’t really matter who is president at the time.

The fact you say white people or white Europeans don’t have any culture shows it was a mistake thinking I could even talk to you as a rational adult. I won’t make that same mistake, enjoy this thread by yourself if you insist on being ignorant or irrational. I should of known better from the start.

Ignore this one Gloominary, he’s far too gone. Save your energy and don’t waste it on him.

He’s clearly a white self hating anti-white reject.

Gloominary: Kropotkin claims whites have no culture, cites rock and roll as an example.

K: yep and the reason is quite simple, that there is no such thing as a “white” culture,
society or science or technology…I am white and yet my mom who did one of those
ancestry DNA test came up with some surprises… we have a bit of Ashkenazi Jew in
us as well as two separate African hits and some native American… but we are mostly
Irish-English…take a DNA test and you will find that you are not white… you are a mixture
of a vast number of people… there is no such thing as a “white” culture because there
is no such thing as a “white” people… and in the beginning, in the beginning we all
came from Africa… every single human being on planet earth comes from Africa…

the Germans and their very proud Aryan heritage has some serious cracks in it…
as Germany was run over time after time after time by tribes from as far away
as Persia and Mongolia… there is no such thing as pure Aryan heritage… mix mongrels
at best…

you are taking pride in something that doesn’t exist…

G:
1stly, white music is more than popular music, it’s also folk and classical music.
2ndly, white popular music is more than rock, it’s also country, pop and electronic music.
3rdly, white artists like Bill Haley, Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis were arguably just as pivotal to rock’s formation as black artists like Chuck Berry.
4thly, black artists used instruments and technology like drum kits, electric guitars, pianos, amps , mics and recorded it on, records, instruments and technology invented by whites.
5thly, black artists were just as influenced by white music in general with its emphasis on chord progressions and harmony as they were by their own music with its emphasis on rhythm.
Finally, rock has evolved way beyond Chuck Berry e.g. prog rock, heavy metal, new wave, etcetera.
Rock is mostly a white thing.

K: Rock is mostly a white thing and what is “white”? you are simply wrong on the facts…
popular music like the Beatles who incorporated music from India like the Sitar
and Peter Gabriel and Paul Simon who has incorporated African music into their
songs… the basis of Rock music is the blues and that is descends from African
slave music… the very basis of Rock music is African music…
as for Elvis and Jerry lee Lewis and bill Haley… really, they were raised on
black music and gospels… read a biography of them… about Elvis for example,
Sam Phillips, the owner of Sun records where Elvis did his first recordings, said
“If I could find a white man who had the negro sound and the negro feel,
I could make a billion dollars” no black influence there :-" the very first hit of
Elvis was a 1946 blues remake…you are trying very hard to separate out
something that cannot be separated… music is based upon very diverse
styles and part of that diverse nature is the mixing of different styles…

G: Whites have their own music, just as we have our own everything, our own art, architecture, cinema, literature, fashion, cuisine, our own philosophy, religion and science (for me, science is partly cultural, I don’t see it as being this wholly objective, universal enterprise, for instance there’re scientific theories widely accepted by western scientists that’re widely rejected by Chinese and Indian scientists, but I digress), our own customs, history and values.
Of course we’ve been influenced by others, but in the last several centuries, who’s been doing the lion’s share of the influencing?
Whites invented the modern world, both materially, and culturally.
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K: you are so wrong, I am not sure where to begin?..

ok, how about this, the beginning of the modern age came about when
the various text and manuscripts of the ancient Greeks and Romans
came back to the west from the Arabic world in the 11, 12 and 13 century…

we have a rebirth, a Renaissance of knowledge based upon these formerly
lost texts…from the Arabic world…

the building of the modern age comes from sources beyond some magical
thinking… much of the modern thinking comes from the travels
and adventures of those who travel the world… for example, much
philosophical thinking in the 16th and 17th century was about the
“noble savages” of the new world… which is found in much of Rousseau’s work
in the 18th century…the very existence of the American Indian created a
major rethinking into what it means to be human…

much of Darwin’s work involved the understanding of cultures outside of the
European world…much of science and philosophy and archeology and history
come from a understanding of the vast breath and width of ancient societies
like China and India and southeast Asia…but you do not take into effect the
existence of people like the greatest poet in Russian history… Alexander Pushkin…
what does an Russian writer like Pushkin have to do with your thesis Kropotkin?

Pushkin great grandfather came from Africa… Pushkin was part African…
this is the type of influence that rarely gets into the history books…
you cannot any type of case for white society or white culture because
it comes from somewhere else…

I would dig deeper into this but dinner calls my name…

Kropotkin

Hey Peter, does black people and black culture exist? Yes, or no?

K: and I was wondering who would bring this old foolishness up first… just because
I dismiss your thesis, suddenly I am a “white self hating anti-white reject”
if any disagrees with you “white” types, that person is always a “self hating white”
you simply dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as “self hating”…I am clearly
not “self hating” (but I find it interesting that you always turn to hate first)
anyway, I am above such nonsense as nationalism and “white culture” it means
absolutely nothing…

nationalism and “white culture” has nothing to say about what it means to
be human… it is complete and udder nonsense to think we are simply separate
and distinct tribes… nationalism and “white culture” isn’t science and it isn’t
culture and it isn’t philosophical and it isn’t thinking…it is fear based emotions…

I am old and I have passed by your empty, shallow, narrow thinking decades ago…

I exist in the 21st century… your thinking is in the 19th century with its talk of
whites and nationalism and being fear base…you are dinosaurs…and the world
has already passed you by…you just don’t know it yet…I freely admit, I kinda feel
sorry for you… and off to bed…

Kropotkin

^^^

Of course they do.

Afro-Americans invented their culture ex nihilo, in vacuum or void, like God, whereas those soulless white devils had to appropriate theirs from everyone else.

Same with DNA.

White people aren’t a race, we’re just albino Dravidians, or at least that’s what some unthinking, uneducated Afro-supremacists told me.

Meatloaf: ‘ohhh peee-ete. I’ve got ketchup on me this time. You won’t regret it.’

Brussel sprouts: ‘shove off, meatloaf. Last time he completely ignored me because of you.’

Salad: ‘no, he ignored you because you’re BRUSSEL SPROUTS, dude. Nobody likes you… but keep blaming meatloaf if it makes you feel better.’

Meatloaf: ‘thanks, salad. He always does that when we’re together. Dude’s even got more issues than asparagus.’

Nice.

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Personal favorites and highlights of mine.

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