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Lol Hahahahahahaha I had forgotten Timón Echurroneo. Tf did I even come up with that name, seriously. Timón Echurroneo.

Sudden – There is no step between not-quite-right or just-right and overdone. That is why we die, there’s no surfing time itself.

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December 22, 2012

Far Away

Mind is going in a million
places
Too far away for a single
presence
Lightning! Present! One voice is heard:
What is the next way to step?
WAR, my precious,
war for the living.
war for finding the places

Timón Echurroneo December 20, 2012

Life does suck – It is undeniable that this is the first principle of any analysis of the preexisting, of that which exists without action. If there is no struggle, living sucks. Do we really think that this hasn’t been an active pressure in the evolutionary development of our psyches?

Timón Echurroneo
December 19, 2012

That Safe Place in your Mind – El enemigo es ese, y contra él peleamos furiosamente. Por lo menos en lo que a lo que importa concierne.

Timón Echurroneo
December 19, 2012

Coliseo – La participación pública sólo se puede dar en formato coliseo. Debe haber reglas que indiquen quién puede hacer qué, cuándo y cómo. Así, cada quien puede traicionar al sistema de su propia manera y, eventualmente, rendírsele por completo. Es porque el formato coliseo establece puntos de referencia que le dan contexto jerárquico (jerárquico aquí en su amplio sentido que incluye las jerarquías abstractas, hasta de abstracciones) al proceso.

Tanto los espectadores como los participantes tienen claro cuáles son los elementos que no cambiarán pese a lo que se diga, normalmente establecidas, incluso, presuposiciones sub y semiconscientes respecto al resultado final por declararse (aunque éste no sea el resultado que importe).

Timón Echurroneo
December 19, 2012

(I couldn’t help myself… edited an accent that wasn’t properly added in the original).

Locura – ¿Qué es locura? Es las partes desheredadas de nuestro ser. Todo sistema tiene la necesidad de dar espacio a las partes desheredadas de sus sujetos, necesita poder ponerlas en cuarentena; más, es común usar elementos desheredados y el desheredo en sí dentro del funcionamiento de apego al sistema.

No es entonces un escape o alternativa pura, sino un experimentar de los residuos de la fábrica subjetivizante del sistema.

Timón Echurroneo
December 19, 2012

Wow there with the powerful psychoanalysis!

Historicismo de pensar en pequeño – No es Chávez, no es la oposición, no es el imperio transnaciona- no, bueno, sí es el imperio transnacional. Él es el mánager de lo que es verdaderamente enemigo de nosotros: la vejez y la estupidez. En sí, esas cosas son eventos naturales que no pasan de ser estorbos, lo vemos en los viejos estúpidos que nadie se toma en serio. Son las tradiciones, recuerdos de recuerdos de cómo recordar, las que inspiran a nuestra joven curiosidad con sus obscuridades lo suficiente como para complementar al condicionamiento clásico en la receta de cómo ser un viejo estúpido poderoso.

No nos engañemos: el racionalismo, todo lo que vino de la ilustración, también es tradición.

¿Argumento contra la tradición?

Timón Echurroneo
December 19, 2012

Damn, fuck, I went deep.

Pecar – ¿Por qué las iglesias necesitan tildar de “pecado” a todo lo que es grande y aventurezco? Es como si sólo el peso de algo igualmente grandioso lo pudiera aniquilar: el “mal,” que es poco más que “prohibido” con una cláusula de “mientras más preguntes, peor.” El miedo al mal es, tout simplement, el miedo al castigo. El juicio moral (por ejemplo) es estrictamente a posteriori.

Timón Echurroneo
December 19, 2012

Oh my Lord. I’m gonna translate this one.

i Sin[/i] - Why must churches brand as “sin” everything that is great and adventurous? It is as if only something equally great could annihilate it: “evil,” which is little more than “forbidden” with a clause of “the more you ask, the worst (it gets).” Fear of evil is, tout simplement, fear of punishment. The moral judgement (for example) is strictly a posteriori.

Hahaha, I hope promethean doesn’t read that last one.

Spunky as a pristine philosopher
Maybe an the age of Spanish philosophy is at hand.

an the age. I like that.

I mean, its not like there isn’t a bunch of shit to be done there.
Over there in the Spanish world.

Where they got them, roasted fishes, and donkeys on mountainsides with untold stories hidden in bean sacks, where they invented the potato.

There certainly is a bunch of shit to be done there.

Goddamnit that’s a cool gif.

Absolutely. It had to be fitting, nay?

Now swallow some air

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• Something must exist because “nothing” excludes the active impossibility of something.

• All beings hold themselves as a standard for their interactions with all else. This holding as a standard is implicitly ‘self-valuing’.

• The smallest self-valuing is able only to value in terms of itself negatively. It’s “valuing” is a deflection of which it is not.

II

• As two different self-valuings deflect nothingness, two things are created:

1. Space – the mutually deflected, mutual nothingess, rudimentary ‘value’
2. Relativity / Power / Force / Causation / Affectance (Rational Metaphysics term) – the deflecting of positive not-selves.

• Affectance is self-valuing-interaction.

• A self-valuing is even in ‘a grain of noise’ - as soon as noise starts to affect other noise, there is differentiation, and this implies ‘thingness’ something is differentiated from something.

• The fact of difference precludes absolute dissolution.

• In the case of affectance, self-valuings value each other negatively in terms of their structural nature as deflectors, but they do behave similarly, and are thus perform similar actions. All deflect both nothingness, and each other.

• What comes to exist like this is any geometrical form. The simplest form to imagine is the circle: all self-valuings deflect each other ‘to the side’, while simultaneously deflecting nothingess inward, where it is concentrated (pushed away from all directions) and outward, where it is pushed away in all directions, except to the center and to the side. Affectance fields are here circular, with the force distributed in the ‘border’. Inward it is ‘weak’.

III

• Such organizations of nothingness-deflectings may emerge so as to come into contact with each other. Due to the quantity of affect of such organizations, the greater things that come into each others proximity are, the more different they are from each other, and the stronger they are deflected. But in some cases, the deflected negative existence of a ‘sphere of affect’ is so great that smaller spheres are drawn to deflect it as well, and ‘join the circle’, the affect-field. In that case, the affect field, a ‘form’, grows and is able to absorb even greater ‘others’.

• The deflection of nothingness is the first priority. In the image of the deflection imprinted on itself, the self-valuing recognizes itself. This creates the terms of it’s self-valuing’ - its standard of value.

• Such a standard can be recognized by other entities, and deflected (negatively valued) as well.

• Once two co-deflecting self-valuings ‘come to terms’, they positively value each other in terms of their own self-valuing (their deflecting nothingess), but as negative. They repel each other while positively ‘recognizing’ the shared object of negative valuation.

• This explains why when we value in terms of our self-valuing (when we really value), we ‘push’ - the greater the ‘fight’, the greater the resistance to nothingness. We seek to overpower, but first and foremost we seek to engage, that whichever ‘speaks to us’, is also inevitably that which has the power to absorb us.

• Survival as a form depends on the capacity to translate that which is appropriated in the circle of affect in terms of the pre-existing form. ‘Selective forms’ remain, other forms are respectively dissolved or transformed into selective forms. Sometimes selective forms are overpowered by far greater, but far less selective forms.

IV

• The more selective a form is in what it can ‘use’ in terms of deflecting nothingness, the more capable it is to resist change.

• The more selective a form is, the more specific the terms by which it values, and the more specific its self-valuing.

• Man is a supremely selective form. The more selective man is, the more we can speak of a ‘self’.

• Becoming conscious of being as self-valuing means: establishing a finalized Being. It means to have defeated the chance of being transformed by the very nature of being (deflecting non-being) itself - it means successfully ‘imprinting being on becoming’.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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“Why is there something and not rather nothing?”

We can dismantle this question by putting “nothing” in its proper place;

Something exists because nothing stands in its way.

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“nothing” is destroyed.
Thus existence stands proven.

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God is a concept, but it was always considered abstract. Non-empirical. But how in the hell could god be anything other than the most empirical facts of life?
How in Hell indeed.

Christ is the transfiguration of the spirit and in as far as he went we are in his debt. But what remains is the descent of man into matter voluntarily. Nietzsche announced it, going down and will to power - but now, we are in the valley, where Nietzsche is true but no instrument - and we must go up. Ascend, not look down on man and laugh, and congregate with truth on mountaintops and distant shores, but ascend as truth.

These “we” are far and few, willing and aware, or maybe we are many! Who knows? Only on the rise does the rising-lording which is becoming know itself and thereby births itself as a being. Knowledge is power because knowledge is being - that which is not primarily discernible as flux. Illusion or Maya? No, the machinery of the universe. So in this machinery rises the figurehead, the mediator between power-as-such and want of power - this mediator is the will to power. The image, on account of which being comes out of its its hiding.

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Fixed Cross was wandering across the deserted morning forum, kicking up some gravel and acting like a child, at least in his movements. In his minds heart he was searching for a way to begin a conversation, with Thrasymachus, his who was bound to arrive soon, about that philosophers theory, which he had kept close to his chest for years. Fixed Cross now felt the desire to set the theory free from his friends mind, and allow it to swoop across the Earths skies to impress humans of all quarters.

Pondering for a way to tempt Thrasymachus to spill his guts, to show the back of his tongue, Fixed Cross then saw his friend enter the forum-floor, which was still wet with dew, of which hovered a film of half condensing, half evaporating above the polished rocks of the plateau. And as the men walked toward one another, a strange question dawned on Fixed Cross, of which he himself did not divine the meaning. As he finally shook his friends hand and greeted him, he asked him the following:

I wonder, if you look at the sky above us, infinitely rich with light, but dense also with dark particles that can steal the light for themselves and form black and cold formations, do you see anything to do with truth?

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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I’ve come up with an initial name for my new philosophy: Tricore Tectonics. TT will be the name I use for now for this new philosophy that I begin developing in my recent book, until a better name is found. I agree the name isn’t ideal, I need something better. Recommendations are welcome.

Let’s combine VO, The Daemonic and TT into a new exoteric set of symbols-ideas that can serve as an outward conceptual system for others to understand. Parodites proposed this once, let’s do it. Fuck this society, it is dissolving around us under the new Marx-Jesus figure, so let’s at least try to birth something that can grip the decay and transform it anew once the current civilization finally breaks down.

Fundamental ideas in each philosophy:

TT: truth, power and fantasy-image as each irreducible and fundamental. These three living as cores which interact and together animate and create what is called life/subjectivity.

VO: value, self-valuing

Daemonic: excess, reification as anti-dialectics, real vs ideal, and the heroic-daemonic consciousness.

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On ILP, Jakob wrote:

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From Nietzsche’s notebooks:
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Und er wusste seine Tugend nicht zu überwinden.
Der Löwe in ihm zerriss das Kind in ihm: und endlich frass der Löwe sich selber.

Grausam war dieser Held und wild - -
Seht, ich lehre euch die Liebe zum Übermenschen.

• • • lud er auf sich und zerbrach under der Last.
      The second part seems a context to the first, which reads:

“And he did not manage to overcome / conquer his virtue.
The lion in him tore up the child in him, and finally the lion devoured himself.”

A fascinating observation of one of the ways in which the chain of metamorphoses can be broken.
I’ve been pondering this since I read it, and haven’t fully grasped in a rational manner in which ways the lions virtue needs to be overcome to become a child.

Does anyone have experience with overcoming lion-like virtue, to become a self-propelling wheel of creative innocence? Or maybe there are examples, in literature, or other forms of drama, of someone who either suffers the same fate as this cruel hero?

"Inhuman was this hero, and wild - -
See, I teach you the love for the superman.

• • He took it on him and broke under the load."

Is there a causal link between the hero being cruel/inhuman, and his failure to carry the love for the Superman?
It’as possible I simply dont see the meaning.

Now in the great scheme of things that Zarathustra teaches, it is clear to me now that Nietzsche himself “falls under” the Lion category. After all, the
Lion says “I Will”, and Nietzsches ultimate reality consisted of his understanding of the world as will to power. As suggested, I think that Nietzsche, as a Lion, fell pray to his own “grausamkeit”, which is implicit in this view of the world as will to power and nothing besides.

How to transcend this cruelty, this ugliness, this denying of the subject in favor of an objective “monster of energy”? Not by denying the reality of the will to power surely. It could only be done by finding something deeper, truer, or at least as deep and true as the will to power, which at the same time supports, proves and affirms the will to power and delivers from the lack it imposes. And I have found this something, this thinking delivering from the limitations that the Lion imposes on himself by holding to his will so religiously, brutally – this thought is the thought that the fundamental fact of reality, by virtue of which one may will to power, is valuing – valuing as happiness, pleasure, lack, pain – recognition – and for this to exist, there must be a standard to which this value is measured. We can however no longer posit “things” at the root of action/affect – so what exists as a reference, the thing that is experienced as a self (a willing to power) must be at root a self-referential activity, which is not yet an affect. In Netwonean terms – the root of existence, as the purest ground of subjectivity, precedes causality. And no, it is not self-caused, nor is it an active prime-mover – it is only the logical condition on which (the logical notions of) motion and causation may exist.

Rather than “I will (to power)”, the Child says “I am”. This “I” is not a however a thing, an object – the Childs utterance “I am” it is not of the same category as “the child exists”. It refers to the activity of being, which the child has recognied in himself, as self-valuing. He has no standards anymore besides what his very being commands, no, what his being is – and so the spirit has arrived at the other end of the road, which began with the Camel, whose motto is “thou shalt”, whose conscious standard was not in himself but a commanding other. The camel could only know his self-valuing by recognizing its ( own ) superior (e.g. “Lord”, but not “the”, but his Lord) thereby having his self-valuing translated to him by an already further evolved spirit of his own type. Then came the Lion, who realized the necessity of breaking with this otherness. But by breaking with it, the Lion is without self, except for the will to break with otherness. This is the will to overcome, the will to power - the will to a self.

How does the Lion become the Child? By recognizing that this willing-to/over is also a willing-from. Not in the sense of away-from, but from-the-ground-of-x. As long as this “x” is understood as a lack, then the self is unseen. As soon as this feeling-of-lack is affirmed as itself a positive, a property of a positive existing, the real being is drawn out of darkness, and the child is born.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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To realize the will to power, which is the world, nullifies your existence as a human subject. You no longer exist as anything more than an incarnation of the world soul, an instance of will to power. The concept itself of will-to-power is a single line long ontology intended to describe all of existence. “Water is wet” is an ontology, but it only describes one small facet of the world. “Will to power,” as an ontology of similar length but much wider scope, essentially means there is a potential that is continuously recycled without ever becoming actual. This potential force is what reality is, and there is no way to “actualize” or “unpack” this energy, as if the world itself were a continually climbing orgasm that cannot be consummated in any release of the built up force. “Will to power” as a philosophical concept literally means an unrealizable force, a potential that is infinite not in extremity, dimension, or intensity, but by virtue of the fact that it cannot be made actual, it cannot be actualized. Thus this ontology implies a world of pure appearance, with no underlying noumenon. There is nowhere for the will to go, so it wills unto power, which is to say, it continues to be precisely that, will, and “eternally proceeds within its own being,” to use Spinoza’s phrase.

But there are ways to maintain your sense of self, even realizing the concept of the world being the will to power. If you were to realize that you were the dream of some God, you would awaken, that is to say, cease to exist… Unless you had a peculiar art for keeping yourself asleep. Unless you began to dream yourself, by embracing yourself as a contributory poet to the overall divine dream. How would we do this, embrace ourselves as contributory wills to “power,” to the monster of energy that is called the world? That is the question that I see value-ontology dealing with. This new contributory self would no longer need to bear or fight, it would no longer be camel or lion, but child. This valuing of the self, of the contributory self, would give birth to both truth and appearance. The truth, that one is a mere instance in the world soul, and the appearance… that one truly exists, that one is a self. As you say "the far more useful idea that value (more precisely the act of valuing) gives rise to both appearance and truth. "

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Parodites wrote:
“Will to power” as a philosophical concept literally means an unrealizable force, a potential that is infinite not in extremity, dimension, or intensity, but by virtue of the fact that it cannot be made actual, it cannot be actualized.
This is a breakthrough insight to me. Truly effective in justifying the move beyond Nietzsche.

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Thus this ontology implies a world of pure appearance, with no underlying noumenon. There is nowhere for the will to go, so it wills unto power, which is to say, it continues to be precisely that, will, and “eternally proceeds within its own being,” to use Spinoza’s phrase.
This underlying noumenon is of course not something that may be seen to exist from the perspective of (moving beyond) WtP, but rather something into which the perspective collapses once it realizes itself as appearance-to-itself, as appearance creating. True, conscious attainment of selfhood is attained from the awareness of what the will to power is, that is to say, on top of the wtp rather than underneath it, although it is a kind of collapsing-into.

Notions and realizations of selfhood without the WtP have been accomplished of course, but in philosophical terms we’ve had to first attain realization of the WtP, which means a rejection of selfhood in terms of the thing, the noumenon, an embrace of activity/affect as the true substance. But this recognition evolves, via this new thinking, into a truthful notion of the self, one that does not posit anything besides what inescapably is logically true.

Thus, overcoming first the Camel (carrying thing-ness, objectivity, one ones back, as superior to subjectivity) by becoming the Lion (realizing subjectivity as reality) and then overcoming the attachment to the appearance to subjectivity, letting go of the last “clinging” – shedding the fear that without actively willing the will to power (!) as the ultimate reality, it is weakened in oneself. The pride of the Lion is his cage. A beings strength is only unrestrained, natural, when he is not concerned with it. The will to power flows forth naturally from the Child as a contingency to its being, whereas the Lion is solely occupied with this will in order to attain his being – which, as you say, he never does.

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But there are ways to maintain your sense of self, even realizing the concept of the world being the will to power. If you were to realize that you were the dream of some God, you would awaken, that is to say, cease to exist… Unless you had a peculiar art for keeping yourself asleep. Unless you began to dream yourself, by embracing yourself as a contributory poet to the overall divine dream. How would we do this, embrace ourselves as contributory wills to “power,” to the monster of energy that is called the world? That is the question that I see value-ontology dealing with. This new contributory self would no longer need to bear or fight, it would no longer be camel or lion, but child. This valuing of the self, of the contributory self, would give birth to both truth and appearance. The truth, that one is a mere instance in the world soul, and the appearance… that one truly exists, that one is a self. As you say "the far more useful idea that value (more precisely the act of valuing) gives rise to both appearance and truth. "
Yes. And so the Child is itself a World, from which new appearances are born, from which new wills are born, the ground to new evolving worlds, the power of new camels to bear their future selves as burdens.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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Fixed Cross wrote:
Parodites wrote:
“Will to power” as a philosophical concept literally means an unrealizable force, a potential that is infinite not in extremity, dimension, or intensity, but by virtue of the fact that it cannot be made actual, it cannot be actualized.
This is a breakthrough insight to me. Truly effective in justifying the move beyond Nietzsche.

Strangely coincidental of this, the other day I was thinking that will to power is always a will to power to, or for, or in terms of… that to speak of “the will to power” without regard to any of these is to speak nonsense, to say “God” and no more. Even supposedly “pure” will to power is still “will to power… to… [more] will to power”, supposedly escaping the problem of actualization(-al limitation and constraint) but of course failing to do so. What is really interesting then, bearing in mind that to speak of will to power is to speak of an in terms of, for, of – and that to abstract will to power to the highest power of abstraction is to reduce the meaning of the term, through asymptotic regression to the limit of absurdity – is that every for is also (and even more so!) a from. In order to actualize one must place oneself at the mercy of certain limits, be an abeyance the result of necessarily constrictive forces which narrow through an imposition of the existence of ‘negative’ domains, empty space, void/s. From the perspective of that which wills, and of its power/s, these voids do not, cannot exist. Such (relative) ontic and ontological ‘gaps’ are a price of delimitation.

Conceptually this meshes with what you discuss here, arriving at the same point through a slightly different path: that the will to power is insufficient to break these barrier into “reality”, to attend to a becoming-real – to creating. The metaphysical heart of the will to power is thus revealed. To totally avoid this metaphysical appeal one must speak only of wills to powers, and thus a new unifying principle becomes necessary to bind these together into a new synthesized, useful, comprehensive understanding. Clearly will to power itself is inadequate to act as such a unifying principle. This is where value ontology (as well as, among other things, Heidegger’s Da-sein) steps in, filling in the “unavoidable remainder” of gap-void inevitably left over from will to power’s becoming actual/being applied. Valu(ing) becomes the ‘verb’ by which predicate unites with subject, subject with predicate. Whereas the upper limit (as abstracted-reified will to power) approaches meaninglessness and unreality, we have found the beginnings of a “lower limit”, of which value ontology now acts as an early tracing.

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This criticism of the will to power on ontological and psychological grounds demonstrates that the subject, the human subject, requires something beyond itself in order to establish the language necessary to realize a structure it can embody. Alone, the Nietzschean self cannot be actualized- it is not properly a self, rather a “selves.” To be actualized the self requires a limit, without it, it cannot be articulated. Kierkegaard says as much in declaring “despair” to be the fundamental nature of the human being, it is not a psychiatric ill that can be cured, it is human nature itself, the basic incompleteness of that nature, and can be relieved only by God, the limit. Systems of religion, philosophy, and metaphysics- systems which have provided limits of this kind, have concealed the real truth which is that it is the subject which is onto-logically primary, not what is limiting it, meaning that the act of value and creation by which the self is realized becomes disfigured, is seen as a moment of subordination, of being encapsulated by the limit. If this was not the case, then the creative act would continue indefinitely, the self would be perpetually “realized,” that is, created.

This “onto-logical primacy” of the subject which would allow that creative moment to persist, I have articulated with the concept of the daemonic.

This thread ties a lot of stuff together, you should put it in production.

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Euryale, an sua cuique deus fit dira cupido?”

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Will to Power and nothing besides is exactly the same concept as Allmighty, Omnipresent Pure Love God.

Not something to be overcome, but an overcoming.

Like chaos. To regard chaos is absurd, but it is an answer to Universality.

In both cases, the overcoming slaps through a taste of truth that leaves no doubt.

This is the way of Will to Power, of Chaos, old forms are not discarded but digested, nay, used, overcome.

But why the focus on such madness? Much more did Nietzsche write about the superman. The question of the child and the superman: is this world ready for a lion, fully? The mistake was to think the metamorphosis required only an individual effort, a child would be bored as fuck in this age and die of loneliness.

“The superman has always happened as a happy mistake (usually a brutal, bloody one), but the project has not yet been undertaken to breed one, a family, a people.” Paraphrased, of course, parantheses mine.

Anyway, I think the OP was brilliantly on the right track: feeling of lack seen as a positive.

There’s a metamorphosis.
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“He did not manage to overcome his Virtue”: someoneisatthedoor.

Marxism is this selfdevouring Lionesque semiinstinct.

Since man has become aware of death and of himself and time, of being, and required Dasein, his actions have been commanded by whatever he imagined to be his possible futures. Dasein draws as the bridge concept along the banks of the pure flux the cultivating from the self-valuing into the world, its dharma, as it draws itself from its future.

The past has long been dead, war and genocide is just melancholy. Which in turn is always a symptom of a lack of imagination.

A bow to Schopenhauer is always justified.
A man one could never hail - noted.

"The particular follow-through of the entity after its identification of it

s world by drawing in experience, determines not the extent to which he will follow through that particular experience. His identity is reflected wholly of his ethics, his working, warring or simply waking - or on the other hand a wanting, worrying, wrecking ‘code’ - continuity of action, value-projection by anticipation. Here is the technical definition of ‘the power of faith’ - the gift of being allowed to project an infinity of value, by the declaring of love for an infinite bestowing virtue. "

Politics of the Anvil

We must implement a morality into the masses.
they must be hard enough to sustain the breeding of higher men
consistent enough.
We must find common values in healthy ‘races’.
I do not believe in the value of race-distinction in building culture - except where it comes to great numbers, great enough to carry stupidities as laws.

But then it’s simply tribes, or families or clans, not races.

Of course I do ‘believe’ in biological differences, and thus also in cognitive differences.

But quality is quite fairly shared among the races.
Positive racism has me speak this - Arabs are spirited, Chinamen are smart, Blacks are bold, Indjuns are deep, and white men are philosophical, or ‘problematic’. We have problematized human existence to the point of making it actually ‘human’ - and the left is our fault.

We, Greeks, have created the left.

Once, we intended something with it. I forget what.

kek no, but now we have it. It’s pasta. It’s text. It’s everywhere. It’s in the cokey, it’s in the street, it’s in the heart. The left is a means, or must be made so.

Am I hyperbolic?
But what other way to address the left.

A morality is already brewing. I know the ingredients. Names like Lela, Anastasia, - .
government of muses

just dropping some spiraling Ash seeds, some first motions.

Ontology

[i]existence
late 14c., “reality,” from O.Fr. existence, from M.L. existentia/exsistentia, from existentem/exsistentem (nom. existens/exsistens) “existent,” prp. of L. existere/exsistere “stand forth, appear,” and, as a secondary meaning, “exist, be;” from ex- “forth” (see ex-) + sistere “cause to stand”. (see assist).

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I have heard it often said in a Nietzschean context that ontology, as epistemology, is metaphysics, and therefore has no place in a Netzschean philosophy (by which is understood a world-affirming one), which must aim at describing particulars and dismiss the notion of universals. It seems to me that this would mean that the will-to-power, as a universal definition of being, must be disregarded by such Nietzscheans, as it is an ontology. But I consider the idea that ontology is the study of universals a mistake. At the root of this mistake is the idea that terms describing many, or even all perceivable particulars, are necessary universals, and thereby metaphysical. This error has to do with the idea of cosmic totality. The universe as a neatly limited collection of things, itself a thing. Whether we understand ‘thing’ as ‘object’, ‘force’, or even ‘subject’ as Nietzsche does, such a notion is not founded in observation and deduction, i.e. scientific method, but it is nothing but an assumption. The very notion of universals is dependent on the possibility of a definable totality.

The philosophy I am developing departs from the assumption that the universe is a neatly limited quantity, and necessarily a closed system. The law of conservation of energy may not apply to the universe (and there are indications that energy increases). More matter may come into existence. More matter may stand forth, appear. And I think that this is indeed what happens. It is possible that universe (as being) did not come into existence in its entirety, by Gods hand or by the Big Bang (effectively the same idea, a pushing back of the problem of origin behind an impressive display of power) but bit-by-bit, as matter began to stand forth / appear out of chaos, or no-thingness. This chaotic non-existence is thereby taken as the limit to existence – but, and herein lies the epistemic ground to this new philosophy, this limit is understood as the limit of our mind, and not pertaining to objectivity in any way.

Epistemology and ontology are ultimately the same study. The study of being is the same as the study of knowledge. When we study what exists, we must also study in what way we can know. To not understand this is to believe in the thing-in-itself. Such understanding necessitates either belief in God or the active abandonment of reason. Belief in God being the passive abandonment of reason. What we must do instead is to refine reason, beyond its crude delineations of binary logic. Nature gives us no reason to think that we must conceive of existence in terms of ‘yes’ and ‘no’, of 1 and 0, which are mutually exclusive and cannot follow from each other. Such is an artifice that only applies to abstractions, not to life. Philosophy must leave behind this abstraction, and become as life. The strange logics of Heidegger are the beginnings of this process.

without-music
Ontology

Very good. Bataille might be useful on this point. Any system will produce its own excess; the pent-up energy must be spent. He locates such “spending” in historical phenomena like human sacrifice and seemingly trivial commonplaces like the sexual act. So much energy is squanderd in the sexual act; one must be abundant, overflowing beforehand. Such spending, I think, is the task of the artist: as sublimation. Of course, the obscene underbelly of every sublimation is a repression. And so the question must become: what is it that is being repressed in a spending of excess? Of course, Bataille meant this in the socio-economic sense. How noble an undertaking it would be to explode the barriers to his thought, to develop it on an ontological scale. I like the idea, I wonder how far one might take it.

In any case: I count myself among those Nietzscheans unwilling to give up ontology. You’ve spoken well on the reasons why.

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What we must do instead is to refine reason, beyond its crude delineations of binary logic.
Indeed, existence precedes logic, which is an emphatically human, all-too-human affair. To transgress it: ah, fresh air!

Defenders of the Earth
Ontology

. . .it is indeed possible to exist without the leap in question and still retain an act-ual grounding . . . Can there be a boundary, a limit around existence? How, if existence is “all there is”?

What is important to differentiate is that “is is” is not belief in “thing-in-itself”, since the is of is, isness as such, need not be thing-ness. You have described this point very well, I think. I would say that chaotic no-thingness is the best rendering of this I have seen. Indeed where you describe this on ILP as “flat time-space” we can conceptualize what is really going on here, and this sits perfectly with on the one hand the notion of isness and on the other hand the understanding that “nothingness”, as in “absolute nothing” is a fallacious and nonsensical concept.

All this amounts to the following: we can finally move on from philosophy’s misguided attempts to derive the is. We now, thanks to value-ontology, have a logico-conceptual framework with which to understand this situation. We have attained a ground, both a certain truth (somethingness) and a framework that allows us to construct upon this ground, and to construct in such a way that does not contradict, implicitly or otherwise, this grounding itself. We win the ability to move forward, to project FROM a solid point and into the FUTURE. Of course this projecting takes place with respect to valuation/s.

No more need to argue over epistemology vs ontology vs metaphysics vs thing-in-itself vs universality vs first-cause and all that nonsense. Whew, what a relief! Now, to me, the next step might be to attempt a conceptual synthetic analysis of logic and value, one in terms of the other. This would serve to provide a basic structure or dwelling-place that could serve as the foundation - attached solidly to the ground - of what can be built afterward. I think my enumeration on isometry and the soul is a sort of accidental first-step in this direction, the direction of erecting the first solid dwelling-place on being.

without-music
Ontology

A quick question, to get at the heart of this new idea: as I understand it (and I must make explicit that I intend to think this idea properly and vigorously when I am again in possession of free time; I sense the power in it, the newness), value-ontology is a contribution of primordiality to the will to power. That is: it grounds the will to power, which is itself a valuing – but what/who values? – in the subject who self-values. Such self-valuation is ubiquitous, to be sure, for it must be – otherwise whence come the play of forces that comprise our world? The question, then: are all forces grounded in a subject, are all “things” to be understood as subjectivities? Perhaps you (either of you, for I sense that aletheia has quite the grasp on this idea now) might say a few words on this…

Fixed Cross
Ontology

without-music wrote:
A quick question, to get at the heart of this new idea: as I understand it (and I must make explicit that I intend to think this idea properly and vigorously when I am again in possession of free time; I sense the power in it, the newness), value-ontology is a contribution of primordiality to the will to power. That is: it grounds the will to power, which is itself a valuing – but what/who values? – in the subject who self-values. Such self-valuation is ubiquitous, to be sure, for it must be – otherwise whence come the play of forces that comprise our world?
Precisely. The will to power definition, as much as it aspires to be the universal truth, is still a particular formulation. The formulation is imperfect, as it includes very ambiguous terms, “will” and “power” As Sauwelios has frequently and accurately noted, the will-to-power is not to be confused with merely the combination of these two terms. As Nietzsche writes, “will” as such is meaningless. It only makes sense combined when an object is attached to the term. In “to power”, Nietzsche found a universally applicable object to all wills. A small problem is that the word “power” needs to be stretched in its meaning to have this make sense. For instance, how can the experience of love be explained as power? And it must, for men yearn for this. The answer the Nietzschean will give is simple: we interpret this experience as the “feeling of power” You will see that Nietzsche confirms this, and that Nietzscheans build on this confirmation. “Love” has been interpreted in term of “will” “power” - but also “feeling”. And indeed that the will to power is described as an affect, including willing, power and the feeling of power, which is willing to more power, which is the basic feeling. Nietzsche has well defined an outward motion. “of what”? Absurd question.

Heidegger continued on this, most notably with his unfolding-mastering. He approached with this the subject-ness of the subjective, reaching for a definition of it as an apparatus of sorts. A technical definition. He reached into myth and complexities of the word “being” and “becoming”. He also gave examples of such unfolding, most famously perhaps his description of how culture emerges around the bridge, which is beautiful but in my eyes ultimately a failed attempt (as perhaps also the unfinished work Time and Being which I have not entirely read) to include the subjective into super perspective. A lot of art was needed to make this work. And as dense as his literature is, he is of course a phenomenal writer, as all philosophers are. This is perhaps even a (somewhat postmodern) definition of a philosopher - exceptionally interesting writer.

What Heidegger set out to do was to define the willing-to-power, to turn the noun into a verb. But with this he disrupted the formula, because wil-to-power is neither noun nor verb. It breaches the gap between the two, it explains exactly the relation between subject and object, so that neither are further necessary. It does so only in the terms will and power. The world had hereby been defined in one of its necessities. Heidegger apparently thought that this definition was not sufficient. Because it made of Heraclitean poetic insight a cold hard law. Heidegger sought to envision the inner dynamics of the will to power – which means the inner dynamics of the world. He did so in many ways, but he was (mostly) describing what happened as seen from the outside.

The inside is rather simple. In the consciousness of both N. and H the importance of grammar was deeply ingrained. H. tried to break it, condemned it, in the end accepted it, Nietzsche mastered it. But what they both did not do was to seek grammar in its origin – vocabulary.

What is the most important word? Where does grammar take root?
It is in this locus of origin that we find ourselves when we examine the term value.

I have simply drawn the conclusion of bringing willing to power down to valuing – after all, what is “a quantum of energy” but a “value”? And is this not “all that matters”?

What I am interested in is the consistency of a value. There I approach the subject, and the importance of value theory as a psychological means, in which I have said that it exceed will to power in its usefulness – in its value, in its empowering quality. Instead of defining the whole thing in terms, as the will to power does, and thereby limits, we break open the term “will” to “self”. A violation of Nietzschean law. Thereby do we at once define “power” in a much more detailed way, and far less cold. More is included in the definition. We see that what the will wants is more of itself. And what is this self, that it may be more? Something that can be measured against itself.

There’s the logic, I feel as if I approach it from the outside.

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The question, then: are all forces grounded in a subject, are all “things” to be understood as subjectivities? Perhaps you (either of you, for I sense that aletheia has quite the grasp on this idea now) might say a few words on this…
It is fortunate that you should ask this. Now I have a reason to bring up something that may be quite controversial. I 'v been meaning to bring up something related to the neutrino experiment. It might be, if we work from the theory that being as (such) - beings, entities is self-valuing / valuing in terms of self-value, which must be both logically and scientifically be understood as a mechanism (a form in time), that neutrino’s are in fact not engaged in this mechanism. I consider this suggestion legitimate because they are not observed, their existence is derived from assumptions.
They are “compounds” of properties detected after an observed particle, to which such properties were attributed, is been disintegrated.

What is observed to travel faster than light is a set of properties to be registered by a measuring system, involving a type of matter to which such properties apply, whereby they can be measured – valued in terms of established value.

Value might be faster than light. Value, existing only in terms of (different, differing, measuring against each other in terms of shared properties/valuing systems) self valuing(s).

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it is indeed possible to exist without the leap in question and still retain an act-ual grounding.
Whatever we experientially question, we can now much easier get to the core of the matter, understand our affects more directly, not through so much filters and layers of imagination. Not that we do not imagine – imagination becomes free from its protective and hypocritical tasks.

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Can there be a boundary, a limit around existence? How, if existence is “all there is”?
This is one of the haunting questions. It has perplexed many minds, and we are getting close to a solution, resolution, dissolution of this question. We “answer” it by demonstrating that it is simply a hesitance to see.

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Yes. What is important to differentiate is that “is is” is not belief in “thing-in-itself”, since the is of is, isness as such, need not be thing-ness. You have described this point very well, I think. I would say that chaotic no-thingness is the best rendering of this I have seen. Indeed where you describe this on ILP as “flat time-space” we can conceptualize what is really going on here, and this sits perfectly with on the one hand the notion of isness and on the other hand the understanding that “nothingness”, as in “absolute nothing” is a fallacious and nonsensical concept.
Indeed. It is also possible to imagine how spacetime is curved into “whirpools”, as the interference of being occurs.

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All this amounts to the following: we can finally move on from philosophy’s misguided attempts to derive the is. We now, thanks to value-ontology, have a logico-conceptual framework with which to understand this situation. We have attained a ground, both a certain truth (somethingness)
Yes indeed, the thought itself is a something-ness. A being-ness. It seems to itself, like perhaps all real thoughts, be a curving of an existential fabric.

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and a framework that allows us to construct upon this ground, and to construct in such a way that does not contradict, implicitly or otherwise, this grounding itself. We win the ability to move forward, to project FROM a solid point and into the FUTURE. Of course this projecting takes place with respect to valuation/s.
This future can no longer be an overcoming of specific threats (economic malaise, war, disease, climate change, meteors) but as an overcoming of the state of chaos in which mans political-social-moral mind is being un-made with every new commonly denominating “reality”-spectacle.

Where nature was blissfully unaware of the concept of value, it could not but comply. This blissful ignorance runs all the way through man until he invents a metaphysical form of value. Some will say it is morality, but more probably, money is the key issue. Where nature values otherness in terms of itself, man values himself in terms of money. “Good” may be merely a contingent concept to money-value, it may simply means “wealth-unto-me”. Abstract wealth, meaningless, a non-particular, a prospect.

Speculative investment is, in terms of being, the making-present of an unattainable future, making the present unattained by itself. There is no present, only a not attained future image. In this dispair man sinks into his lowest self-mockery, in order to feel in this cruelty anything of affirmation at all.

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No more need to argue over epistemology vs ontology vs metaphysics vs thing-in-itself vs universality vs first-cause and all that nonsense. Whew, what a relief! Now, to me, the next step might be to attempt a conceptual synthetic analysis of logic and value, one in terms of the other. This would serve to provide a basic structure or dwelling-place that could serve as the foundation - attached solidly to the ground - of what can be built afterward. I think my enumeration on isometry and the soul is a sort of accidental first-step in this direction, the direction of erecting the first solid dwelling-place on being.
This is the truth, this is our task. Building a dwelling by and in thinking.
I will not attempt now to address the idea of valuing-isometries directly (this is a task for which much must be brought into preparation, and here I will refer to without-musics post on excess, which I have yet to address - there I sense a terrain of substantiation) but I will say something on its generalities.

We must build the outline for such a filling-in, which will happen collectively, essentially break the spell which the writer feels trapped by before his first empty page, which has taken hold of intellectual man as deconstructionism. Instead of the horrible question of postmodernism – the feeling of the killing of God – we now have the solemn task of acquiring a new symbology. After wading through mud, we may work again on marble. But this marble is of the mind.

This creating-into-time, a symbol should also be understood as a gesture. I propose that we seek for the isolmetries of gestures. I mean this in terms of industrial architecture, economic design, political ethos as well as real life movement, in terms of the forms-in-time, but the terms I have used just now must be deleted and their contents redistributed into a more value-specific periodic table of approaches to being. This may be our elements – our subjective “constants”.

It is beginning to dawn on me that the implementation of this thought means the abolishment of traditional abstractions, forms, or at least that these will become increasingly feeble compared to the experiential forms we now begin to attain to, proper to nature-as-such, in case of the philosopher, a thinking-as-such.

We must be examples, we philosophers – no more Nietzsche, Schopenhauer or Kant, not only our ideas, our lives must be exemplary. Not in the least to ourselves. We are the idea.

One of the concepts this theory makes more plausible is that one can acquire power sooner by making power possible for others, than by taking it away from them. Taking away power - from another but on ones own terms - is revealed as extremely risky, if not tragically doomed. The only lasting power to be sure is to give. Caesar knew this well, when he gave Rome to Europe - he forgot it, when he tried to take Rome for himself.

without-music wrote:
Very good. Bataille might be useful on this point. Any system will produce its own excess; the pent-up energy must be spent. He locates such “spending” in historical phenomena like human sacrifice and seemingly trivial commonplaces like the sexual act. So much energy is squanderd in the sexual act; one must be abundant, overflowing beforehand. Such spending, I think, is the task of the artist: as sublimation. Of course, the obscene underbelly of every sublimation is a repression. And so the question must become: what is it that is being repressed in a spending of excess? Of course, Bataille meant this in the socio-economic sense. How noble an undertaking it would be to explode the barriers to his thought, to develop it on an ontological scale. I like the idea, I wonder how far one might take it.
We might either say that we’d develop such thought on an ontological scale, or that we bring this new notion of ontology that we have “down” to such an explicitly experiential level. It is in any case a promising prospect. I am not yet very familiar with this direction of thinking, somehow the phrase “jouissance” so often used by Lacan comes to my mind in this context, I do not know how accurate this is. So far I would interpret /frame this subject as “the identity of experience”. I sense that it will be a very lengthy and meaty study.

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Existence precedes logic, which is an emphatically human, all-too-human affair. To transgress it: ah, fresh air!
Yes – to be more precise: experience precedes logic. You have touched here on a very interesting domain. Perhaps you might recommend some specific literature?

without-music
Ontology

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Yes – to be more precise: experience precedes logic. You have touched here on a very interesting domain. Perhaps you might recommend some specific literature?
Much to be found in Nietzsche, surely, but as always: the project remains unfinished, not totally fleshed out. Of course, Nietzsche was writing to set forth a task that might be taken up by the “philosophers of the day after tomorrow.” I know Deleuze has something to say on the topic, but I haven’t yet read enough of him. This is an interest of mine, this “irrationalism” or a-rationalism, that I hope to be able to pursue more faithfully one day soon. I will be sure to post here when I get a chance to delve more deeply into this domain.

Fixed Cross
Ontology

• After dwelling for some weeks on this question you ask - what is being repressed in the spending of excess? I started to see how a subject rejects most of his potential experience, and that this spending may be seen as the act of rejecting. It makes sense, human sacrifice - to project the excess of pathos on another being, outside, a representative of the excess.

What is being repressed? Perhaps no thing per se - man may feel oppressed when his nervous system and moral mind are being put under high pressure.

Where man evolves in the direction Parodites and I have discussed, toward different passions (not deeper and wider as I first said, but more precise, more deliberate, more ‘evil’ - but therein potentially far better, more wholesome than any of the ‘good’ we have known so far), it is conceivable that there is less and less excess, that man becomes capable of dealing with more and more of what he is, incorporating the energy he is structurally part of in terms of himself – because we have expanded on these terms. That is at least the aim.

Taking a wild guess: perhaps one type of surplus affect arises in man as the intellectual/moral organism becomes capable of identifying with more than the animal/sensory organism can identify with. It values in terms of itself now too much - its own scope of being, as it conceives of it, is maddening - in response the organism seeks to become blunt, indifferent. To not care - to not value. Too much ‘brotherly love’ - this may be the disease against which the numbing and dumbing down of mankind is a remedy.

Parodites
Ontology

Fixed Cross wrote:
Taking a wild guess: perhaps one type of surplus affect arises in man as the intellectual/moral organism becomes capable of identifying with more than the animal/sensory organism can identify with. It values in terms of itself now too much - its own scope of being, as it conceives of it, is maddening - in response the organism seeks to become blunt, indifferent. To not care - to not value. Too much ‘brotherly love’ - this may be the disease against which the numbing and dumbing down of mankind is a remedy.

Yes, I have suspected this played a role in Ancient Greek sexuality. Man imbues his most powerful desires and passions with intellectual and artistic meanings, to the point that exercising these things (like the sexual drive) no longer fully empties them of their vital force, and an inarticulate melancholy is left over as it were: the melancholy of the artist and the philosopher, or what we sometimes refer to as genius.

Defenders of the Earth
Ontology

Fixed Cross wrote:

• After dwelling for some weeks on this question you ask - what is being repressed in the spending of excess? I started to see how a subject rejects most of his potential experience, and that this spending may be seen as the act of rejecting. It makes sense, human sacrifice - to project the excess of pathos on another being, outside, a representative of the excess.

What is being repressed? Perhaps no thing per se - man may feel oppressed when his nervous system and moral mind are being put under high pressure.

Where man evolves in the direction Parodites and I have discussed, toward different passions (not deeper and wider as I first said, but more precise, more deliberate, more ‘evil’ - but therein potentially far better, more wholesome than any of the ‘good’ we have known so far), it is conceivable that there is less and less excess, that man becomes capable of dealing with more and more of what he is, incorporating the energy he is structurally part of in terms of himself – because we have expanded on these terms. That is at least the aim.

Yes this must be true. Self-valuing organisms that are not highly self-differenced will not have well-defined channels through which “excess” (left-over potential for energy that is unable to become exhausted in a finite physiological or psychological operation) may flow. Thus extreme acts and movements are required, e.g. human sacrifice, sexual rituals, murderous lust and vengeance, war, religious self-denial and asceticism. What then is philosophy, is art and politics (in the traditional, Greek sense of the polis and demos) other than a new form of apportioning this excessiveness? Yet a form that also includes its own methodology within itself, is more recursive and direct, active, and thus powerful and exhaustive?

Strictly speaking every entity will both have a measure of its ability to concretize-exhaust within a finite operation a certain quantity of energetic potential, as well as a measure of total energetic potentiality within given circumstances and conditions; the latter will always necessarily be greater than the former, as the reverse is not the case and perfect equality among these two measurements seems unlikely, if not outright impossible. Measurement in the former case constitutes organic behavior, action (including feelings-impulses), measurement in the latter case constitutes a passive “reflection of the entity itself” as a whole, its sense of itself as a “collection of impulsivity”, as energy; the total or sum amount of force it is able to summon and give rise to at any given time (amd this will change from moment to moment). The relation of these two forms of measurement to each other constitutes “reason”, as logic and its derivative, language; relations between the actual-emergent effects-acts of the body-mind and the abstract ideas, values, perceptions and “inner world” of this body-mind (including therefore the memories of past experiences and the imagined-juxtaposed ideas of possible anticipated experiences) constitutes its “consciousness”, and it makes perfect sense that here a certain “identity” and self-hood would cohere.

As you say, there is less (chaotic, unmanaged) excess as the organism develops itself more accutely and precisely. This is because more and more excessiveness is utilized by the entity, incorporated by its structurality rather than merely being discharged. This is the growth of its consciousness, and where this is unable to take place within the entity’s body and mind it will be realized externally, as in the old forms of crude and brutal excessive discharge but in more refined, narrow and careful modes, as works of art and literature, as philosophies, and as enlightened sentiments and ideals.

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Taking a wild guess: perhaps one type of surplus affect arises in man as the intellectual/moral organism becomes capable of identifying with more than the animal/sensory organism can identify with. It values in terms of itself now too much - its own scope of being, as it conceives of it, is maddening - in response the organism seeks to become blunt, indifferent. To not care - to not value. Too much ‘brotherly love’ - this may be the disease against which the numbing and dumbing down of mankind is a remedy.

Yes, this would seem to be a form of compensatory valuation-negation or transfer of valuing-capacity from one orbit to another, to a new sphere where energy flows differently, where time operates differently, and where excess becomes less intense and more manageable. Yet since this is being done unconsciously, the methods used here are merely absorbed by the given culture-society in which a person finds himself, rather than self-made and self-realized. Thus this in fact turns people more and more into passive reflections of dominant social norms and modes, reducing the distance between their own self-valuing and those of others without actually deriving any benefit or additional “power” from this reduction. The reduction in distance here is the result merely of a passive “deflating” rather than an active movement. The consequences of this are not hard to imagine, indeed we see them all around us.

Parodites wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:
Taking a wild guess: perhaps one type of surplus affect arises in man as the intellectual/moral organism becomes capable of identifying with more than the animal/sensory organism can identify with. It values in terms of itself now too much - its own scope of being, as it conceives of it, is maddening - in response the organism seeks to become blunt, indifferent. To not care - to not value. Too much ‘brotherly love’ - this may be the disease against which the numbing and dumbing down of mankind is a remedy.

Yes, I have suspected this played a role in Ancient Greek sexuality. Man imbues his most powerful desires and passions with intellectual and artistic meanings, to the point that exercising these things (like the sexual drive) no longer fully empties them of their vital force, and an inarticulate melancholy is left over as it were: the melancholy of the artist and the philosopher, or what we sometimes refer to as genius.

This makes sense. This melancholy as you call it then represents a second-order vitality which feeds the drives of genius, of artistic and philosophic production. Men who grow continue to replace one psychological or physiological expression for another, more refined one, while men who stagnate and do not grow continue to repeat the same time-worn methods leading only to continued discharge of left-over excess, that is essentially chaotic and waste. Men who grow self-direct their excessive quality into creative and productive avenues, as this befits their more differenced and active, aware nature (art, and philosophy), while men who do not grow merely repeat the same unconsciously-acquired methods whenever they feel themselves “frenzied” by this “surplus” (their inability to understand how they are feeling-reacting-acting), e.g. as self-destructive and childish emotional outbursts, hatreds and bigotries, physical violence and aggression, or projected inwardly in terms of psychological complexes, paranoias, delusions, religion and all ideological, small thinking.

Self-valuing precludes against any possibility of not self-valuing; it reflects the complete naturalizing idea, what WtP ought to have been. In short, it is not possible to go “deeper” (more toward the basic fundament) than self-valuing. Every new movement is necessarily one of either upward or outward-lateral growth. “God” has been found out and revealed to be a stage along the line of development in thought/consciousness toward this most basic fundament. Like any basic idea, any idea used as and assumed to be a given self-valuing gives cause to re-interpret everything in terms of its being secondary, derivative with respect to the fundamental ground.

WtP ontology is inferior to VO because WtP is not fundamental enough, not even “ontological” yet- WtP is a psychological-physical principle but says nothing about what is below-primary to its action, let alone about the kinds of powers or reasons why different powers “will” one thing and not another. WtP masks the human conscious dimension through a reductive metaphysic aimed at undermining all previous metaphysical postulates, and in this sense is useful but cannot truly free the human being into its own nature.

Self-valuing in contrast is the one idea that, like the assumed idea of god, unites the physical, psychological and “metaphysical” into one space, is a hard kernel that turned this way or that way reflects differently of reality. It is the one truly ontologically-possibilizing idea.

“Consciousness” always stems from lower-order organizings of multiple centers of self-valuings. Functionally speaking consciousness is the actual operations of any system said to be self-bound and self-referential to some degree, however that tends to obscure the more essential reality of consciousness: it is nothing more than the “greatest inner perspective” of such a system. Consciousness is what self-valuing “feels like” to itself, what it is able to feel like to itself given what it is and what its experiences are. A proper ontology must account for all of this.

Fixed Cross
Ontology

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Self-valuing precludes against any possibility of not self-valuing; it reflects the complete naturalizing idea, what WtP ought to have been. In short, it is not possible to go “deeper” (more toward the basic fundament) than self-valuing. Every new movement is necessarily one of either upward or outward-lateral growth. “God” has been found out and revealed to be a stage along the line of development in thought/consciousness toward this most basic fundament. Like any basic idea, any idea used as and assumed to be a given self-valuing gives cause to re-interpret everything in terms of its being secondary, derivative with respect to the fundamental ground.

Perhaps we can review the idea of God from this perspective, because the idea is still troublesome, or not so much the idea itself as the emotional implications of it that have procreated and infiltrated every human thought about morality. The main problem was always the prescriptive nature of being, which it clearly has, and clearly relating to what man, each for himself, knows as ‘good’, as well as many other qualities, ‘sacrifice’ being an often occurring one – it was always known, intuited, by wise humans that ontology must touch on ethics to reach a profound judgment of what is - ethics being the kernel of conscious being, the form of being that can investigate itself – a judgment of being must always include the ethical principle in itself. But this was misunderstood to mean that it should command such a judgment - that the notion of being should pertain to the question of ethics in unifying way. Rather, the very first ethical principle that follows from this ontology is friction.

We see this in every practical consequence of attempts at unifying ethics; the result is always the exaltation of one element alone – friction, strife, breaking down enemies, being at war, standing for something - thus also against something. Ideologically, we find an understanding of this element (rather than enactment, which is pervasive throughout existence) in capitalism alone.

Our ontology can very well be interpreted as a justification of capitalism. Not at all however, of representative democracy. In fact it clarifies perfectly how such a system necessarily corrupts – in essence, the attainment of self-values is entrusted to other self-valuings. Ultimately all parliament, all law-shaping organs, will become obsolete. A perfectly regulated capitalism including the inalienable right to self-determination.

Crime law to meet ontological consistency; whoever infringes on a fundamental/sustenance level on another’s capacity to self-value forfeits protection of the law. The law will only respect those who respect it. Thus, if a person is found guilty of intentionally inflicting irreparable damage (criteria to be fleshed out), it will be legal to harm him. The revenge impulse can not be controlled and fully justified by the state; It must be treated as part of the human excess that falls outside of the law. Once someone violates self-valuing law, he ceases to be valued as a self-valuing. He can thus also not obtain contracts.

In this way a great network of outcasts will be created, which will have laws of its own, harsher laws, and which will remain under supervision as far as possible and desirable, primarily with the intent of studying that which comes out on top, and to learn from the methods employed. Criminals as resource - subject to the grinding wheels of pre-civilized self-valuing. Prisons already work in the same way, but we commit the first rate fallacy of setting these trained beasts of prey free - a structural law as long as long as we subject radical agents of death and entropy to the same standard of expected ‘betterment’ as small time crooks. An order like this can not be ruled by anyone besides the exceptionally deceitful and fundamentally lawless - it can never be ‘human’, can never reflect or ‘run on’ ethics.

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WtP ontology is inferior to VO because WtP is not fundamental enough, not even “ontological” yet- WtP is a psychological-physical principle but says nothing about what is below-primary to its action, let alone about the kinds of powers or reasons why different powers “will” one thing and not another. WtP masks the human conscious dimension through a reductive metaphysic aimed at undermining all previous metaphysical postulates, and in this sense is useful but cannot truly free the human being into its own nature.

Yes, WtP sets no criteria. Power can mean anything. Hence the term ‘slave morality’ to carpet cover everything that does not let itself be measured in terms of physical domination.

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Self-valuing in contrast is the one idea that, like the assumed idea of god, unites the physical, psychological and “metaphysical” into one space, is a hard kernel that turned this way or that way reflects differently of reality. It is the one truly ontologically-possibilizing idea.

“Consciousness” always stems from lower-order organizings of multiple centers of self-valuings. Functionally speaking consciousness is the actual operations of any system said to be self-bound and self-referential to some degree, however that tends to obscure the more essential reality of consciousness: it is nothing more than the “greatest inner perspective” of such a system. Consciousness is what self-valuing “feels like” to itself, what it is able to feel like to itself given what it is and what its experiences are. A proper ontology must account for all of this.

Properly considered, the above gives rise to an awareness of the enormous discomfort produced by the illusion of ‘free will’, which is identical to the idea that consciously valuing is choosing what one values.

As any human instinctively knows, values are only the very utmost necessity. But the intellect had never known a spinal chord, had never known the vigorous self-reliance of instinct. All ideas that described being accurately were sets of poetic references; hitherto poetry served as the bridge between the intellect and the instincts. Allegory as justification of law, both in morality and in physics. In this light we can appreciate the type of human that this ontology selects.

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Fixed Cross
The Identity of Experience

The science of being as a study in subjectivism, which has taken on fully logical form with valuator logic, is approached on a higher level of organization, of more detail, of more possibility for contradiction, in the terms devised by the psychoanalytical schools. I believe all psychoanalysis revolves around the mutual requirement of the terms identity and experience.

As humans, most of our time we spend in avoiding experiences. In our seeking-out of what we aim to experience, we are shifting and sneaking along the invisible walls facing us from every direction but the one we seek to disclose - the walled off area of “the real” is however constantly accessible, these walls can be broken down with the force of intent. The lack of this intent is precisely what makes us effective as prolonged identities, which leads finally in complex beings to what we can begin to call experience.

The identity of experience is experience accepted into the being as its being. The same mechanisms that cause experience, also perform a lot of activity going on that is not ‘owned’ by the organism. Freud goes into this as a repressed - suggesting that the identity of this experience is already ‘the name of the subject’, but actively kept away from its consciousness. I would propose that we address this differently - as ‘untranslated affect’, affect not yet interpreted in terms of the particular self-valuing.

Psychoanalysis is not the art of retrieving experiences to consciousness, but to identify physical affect as experience. This is always done after the fact, also when there is no ‘repression’, or what I would call simply an insufficient power to identify in terms of self - the delicate dove-like beauty of the self to itself facing very dangerous and compromising affect, “raw” affect, which can not be specified, categorized in ‘true terms’ as Spinoza has it - pleasure or joy (laetitia), pain or sorrow (tristitia)and desire (cupiditas) or appetite. *

A manipulation is needed to incorporate the experience, to give it an identity, to add this experience to the identity of the being, to value it on terms of the beings valuing. Psychoanalysis is such a manipulation. Another one, much faster and therefore more dangerous and potentially destructive is Occult “pathworking”. This is the business of setting up the conditions for translating raw affect into imagined sensory experience, by entering a state of lucid dreaming armed with the intention to disclose whatever formlessness is pressing on the walls of the being into apparitions, beings the being itself is able to face as itself - and proceeding to enter the dungeon of the unidentified with the clear aim of translating all that is into experience. And there are other manipulations.

In general, I would categorize all such manipulations as the Dionysian arts, to which possibility a systematic suspension of judgment is required, and the being comes into contact with its own boundaries - its walled-in-ness becomes its walled-ness, in other words, instead of the cells core, its membrane is the identity of experience. Such experience is not merely mortal but mortality itself.

• wikipedia: Affect (Latin affectus or adfectus) is a concept used in the philosophy of Baruch Spinoza and elaborated by Gilles Deleuze and Félix Guattari. For Spinoza, as discussed in Parts Two and Three of his Ethics, affects are states of mind and body related to (but not exactly synonymous with) feelings and emotions, of which he says there are three primary kinds: Subsequent philosophical usage by Gilles Deleuze, Félix Guattari and their translator Brian Massumi, while derived explicitly from Spinoza, tends to distinguish more sharply than Spinoza does between affect and what are conventionally called emotions. Affects are difficult to grasp and conceptualize because, as Spinoza says, “an affect or passion of the mind [animi pathema] is a confused idea” which is only perceived by the increase or decrease it causes in the body’s vital force.

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“When an inner process can not be integrated it is often projected outward. The notion of a materialized psychism opens a bottomless void beneath our feet.”

Capable speaks here of unidentified affect, belonging to none of the three Spinozaean categories.
It appears logical that that raw affect, inner force which can not be identified in terms of the self-valuing, is projected (as a projectile) towards the Other - that which is explicitly unidentified – or quasi-identified as the Other - that which has no right to exist.

Rights are an extension of identification.

It is a reality that people(s) are simple not able to bestow rights on those with whom they can not identify. Human rights is an invention of genius, a great artifice, worthy of my respect, although I respect that they can be logically refuted. The principle offers an identification based on a purely aesthetic identification – the form of the human body, not its interior identity, i.e. the language it speaks/thinks, its ethics, its frame of action, its type.

A great assumption is made – that all those organisms which can be identified as of the same “species” - a term, not a reality of experience/identification, communication – are in fact “the same”. In reality however, man A is more alike to dog A than man A to man B, and this expresses itself in identification. What is shared in identity is experience. Such has historically been the foundation of culture - a shared frame of experience equals a shared identity predicates lawmaking, which is consensus and trust.

Back at psychoanalysis - retroactively one learns to trust the affect that is ‘repressed’… - to speak with the trauma in a common tongue, so that one can effectively agree that it exists. Agreement, this is what is created when a true Word appears. And this appearance is a physical act, a speaking.

Here has been a flaw in philosophy hitherto – being must be interpreted as given. But what, in such a case, does “given” mean? Certainly not the predicate of something else, which gives. At best, it gives itself. But to what? To what but to itself?
Does this make sense? Not much - what is more sensible is to say that I give it, as itself, to itself, which is what I amount to.

Arrangement of potentiality –
life is largely strategy, being is observingness, intelligence, rising to the occasion, seizing opportunity - it is not an objective fact - it is the bold activity of which only the very few are capable of embodying entirely. These are the agents of evolution - in every species these arise.

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Defenders of the Earth
The Identity of Experience

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Does this make sense? Not much - what is more sensible is to say that I give it, as itself, to itself, which is what I amount to.

Identity, in a sense incorporatingness-as-such, a certain agglomeration of force/s-relations attaining in the being of this agglomeration [possible architecture: a/the most sufficiency of the widest necessity of its conditionality?] a ‘center of force’ or intertial gravity. This characteristic of the quality of the “degree of unification” serves to indicate the potency-vitality of identity, but not the being of it, which rather is the “root” incorporatingness that (emergently) attains and then reciprocally-reflexively begins to re-define and re-shape that from which it arose, begins to work on itself by taking into itself, changing as it changes.

“What I amount to” as “that I give it, as itself, to itself”: this formulation of identity (human - but also not only human?) as a phenomenon which is a giving of the very given itself, that by which given is given or known/asserted in its givenness. Are we only an “amounts to something” in the sense that we take, are able to take ourselves, this amounts to, as given, as a givenness-as-such which is also a givingness? Could this be why/how we give the given of the given/s around us, or at least construe otherness essentially (“correctly” or otherwise) under an image of a being-given?

We are philosophical beings, humans, all of us engaged with/in processes of cross-territorial re/interpretation and re/incorporation – integration and extagration. That by which this takes place (i.e. the “world”) might be said to be our being. This “takes place” itself might be said to be our identity. The being of this “takes place” itself might be said to be, perhaps, givenness-as-such. Or at least it is possible that thus far this is the only/best way for us to understand/conceptualize this being.

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Arrangement of potentiality –
life is largely strategy, being is observingness, intelligence, rising to the occasion, seizing opportunity - it is not an objective fact - it is the bold activity of which only the very few are capable of embodying entirely. These are the agents of evolution - in every species these arise.

Being then as potentiality and thus that which conditions this potentiality as the being of this being. What is that by which this conditionality, abstracted from its embedded situatedness, is conditioned? We might understand this as givenness, as the very possibility for and of being from within being itself. This becomes feasible in the sense that this being reciprocally participates in its own existence-creating: through the simplest fact of its existence (as a being, as being) is another being or perhaps another “level of this already being” called also into existence, the existence of which hinges upon - and ONLY upon (?) - the simple fact of its “parent” “being’s” being existing. What might this reciprocality, reflexivity, relatedness-as-such (abstracted out from its embedded situatednesses) be understood as, other than as a givenness which is also then and therefore a givingness?

Here we come face-to-face with identity [id-entity], with the unifying “principle” (frame, ground) of experiencing (which also then serves as a principle of differentiation from within experience/s). Interesting how this identity itself has its own being, and yet this being is to some extent irrelevant from the perspective of that which is experientially forged through and by the existence of this identity! In this ‘to some extent irrelevant’ we see the function of givenness, being given. And in the relatedness of this being to (the being/s of) what it experiences - deeper more genuine contact, powerful consciousness, imagination, creation, envisioning, knowing - we can see how this relatedness/experiencing occurs more essentially as under a form of a givenness, of a giving of that which is already itself a being-given to/for/by itself alone (even if only “by us” is this realized/known or “made real”/attaining to a relevancy).

[Further questioning then: to what extent are the differences here, between the implications arising from either being itself as a being-given or those arising from a being-given as only a being of certain beings (us) which structurally attain certain configurations of relatednesses and embedded situatednesses, meaningful, relevant? What are the various utilities to positing either ex ante or ex post facto here? Maybe more importantly, can we yet effect a possible synthesis even here, on this now higher level? (Edit: answer: yes, through the use of value-ontology we seem able to formulate these principles and elements conceptually-logically).]

Edit: additionally, to give credit where it is due, this intriguing “When an inner process can not be integrated it is often projected outward. The notion of a materialized psychism opens a bottomless void beneath our feet” is a line by Carl Jung, from his Flying Saucers, I believe.

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Fixed Cross
The Identity of Experience

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changing as it changes.
This principle is learned by Shamans. Death-rebirth, the consciousness of flux-depth-power, vortexes of identity around which a society gravitates. Shamans are the “black holes” of the galaxies in which men live - meaning “centers too intense to perceive”*. We circle around what we can not stare in the eye. The terrible in strength is what gives life its structure. (This is why America exists as it does, and why the power of the state must remain a terrifying and disruptive factor until all human life has organized itself around the core of the death-rebirth machinery, the magical power of the invisible center/)

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“What I amount to” as “that I give it, as itself, to itself”:
A Heideggerian giving, as opposed to serving a Platonic “given-ness”. Our things flow from us, we are centers of their revolving-existing - existing is revolving, losing meaning is collapsing into the source is disintegrating. A thing becomes junk, attribute to nothingness, when it loses its capacity to revolve by the “gravity” of value to the core.

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this formulation of identity (human - but also not only human?) as a phenomenon which is a giving of the very given itself, that by which given is given or known/asserted in its givenness. Are we only an “amounts to something” in the sense that we take, are able to take ourselves,
Interesting, yes I like this - we are given as soon as we are taken - and there is no one to take us but ourself. We can be taken by others but this means disintegration when it is not serving our own taking-our-givenness. Consuming being. This adds a ‘hedonistic’ aspect to the ethics that may follow from value ontology. That would help to make it accessible as therapy. Modern therapy is in part hedonistic, indulging. We consume our psyche.

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this amounts to, as given, as a givenness-as-such which is also a givingness? Could this be why/how we give the given of the given/s around us, or at least construe otherness essentially (“correctly” or otherwise) under an image of a being-given?
And so also a being-there-to-take.
This is how “good karma” can be seen - if one has a tendency to give, to ‘create the world’ if one “bestows”, the world attains a nature of being-to-take. That means that one is a master of ones fate. If one takes what happens to be given one steals it, and it transforms. This is why pure political initiatives get corrupted by followers, why politics only work to constructive aims where there are conspiracies, and never when there is dictatorship of the vote.

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We are philosophical beings, humans, all of us engaged with/in processes of cross-territorial re/interpretation and re/incorporation – integration and extagration. That by which this takes place (i.e. the “world”) might be said to be our being. This “takes place” itself might be said to be our identity. The being of this “takes place” itself might be said to be, perhaps, givenness-as-such. Or at least it is possible that thus far this is the only/best way for us to understand/conceptualize this being.
Can we identify this in corporeal terms? A universe of symbolism mapping given-ness, the world as a web of threats originating in subjects - a fabric of histories, with crossings of perspectives as wars and cultures – this “monster of energy” - yes, the dragon thou shalt is made of a great number of potential “I wills” and at root made possible by “I am”.
The transformation of the spirit of Zarathustrian man is a collapsing inward of the self-valuing. Courage is needed to move beyond the skin of the dragon and to embody its will. To become part of the dragons inner world means to dissolve the dragon in ones own world. To become invisible in ones workings, to become “deep” - to command, to become an enigma.

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Arrangement of potentiality –
life is largely strategy, being is observingness, intelligence, rising to the occasion, seizing opportunity - it is not an objective fact - it is the bold activity of which only the very few are capable of embodying entirely. These are the agents of evolution - in every species these arise.

Being then as potentiality and thus that which conditions this potentiality as the being of this being. What is that by which this conditionality, abstracted from its embedded situatedness, is conditioned? We might understand this as givenness, as the very possibility for and of being from within being itself.
A not-yet-givenness, a potential, a void even - void as space.
In any form a givenness may arise around a void, like a castle is built around a room.
the “hearth” at the center of this room is that which has been called by the most loving and admiring names, which I will not utter, as they are not my words - - but this hearth is the completion of the given-ness of the room, the crown on the work of which the wall-building was the physical part and the room-conceiving the ‘philosophical’ part, the thinking-building serving ‘dwelling’, the being itself.

Men gather around fires. Words can also be fires, around which walls are built to contain the words in spaces where men dwell. Men will no be guided where no fires are made. Good philosophy is a torch. It creates the will-to-dwell, which is the will to think and build. Religion is a damp torch emitting only smoke, and the will to sleep. Myth has been a healthy torch in many cultures but we have moved beyond the possibility of myth - myth points to the past, (our) philosophy points to the future. For the rest they are in a sense the same; they make of man a given-to-take. They make man possible to himself, as man, as Dasein.

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This becomes feasible in the sense that this being reciprocally participates in its own existence-creating: through the simplest fact of its existence (as a being, as being) is another being or perhaps another “level of this already being” called also into existence, the existence of which hinges upon - and ONLY upon (?) - the simple fact of its “parent” “being’s” being existing. What might this reciprocality, reflexivity, relatedness-as-such (abstracted out from its embedded situatednesses) be understood as, other than as a givenness which is also then and therefore a givingness?
Intention. We can only recognize the ‘eternal parent’ of this givenness as something real, present in us. On this level we have to abandon the abstract and create ‘occult experience’ - knowledge beyond language, ‘it-ness’. We can approach this asymptotically, and become wiser and more powerful along this line and feel more justification, more certainty than one would ever imagine passible when certainty is understood as logical truth, instead of knowing by being.

“God” is the measure in which this certainty is recorded by ‘prophets’. The divinity can always grow, become greater, stand farther from the populace. It is never ‘already there’. It is the measure in which consciousness attains to its root, and this measure depends on the quality of the consciousness aside from its inward attaining as well as on the penetratingness of its inner gaze. So sacredness exists in two axes - worldly quality and the drive pertaining/attaining to what Nietzsche called the ascetic ideal. We can not formulate a definition, we can only point to the means to attain a greater depth of knowing/being. For this is the purpose, the telos - to enable, increase, potentiate -

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Here we come face-to-face with identity [id-entity], with the unifying “principle” (frame, ground) of experiencing (which also then serves as a principle of differentiation from within experience/s). Interesting how this identity itself has its own being, and yet this being is to some extent irrelevant from the perspective of that which is experientially forged through and by the existence of this identity! In this ‘to some extent irrelevant’ we see the function of givenness, being given. And in the relatedness of this being to (the being/s of) what it experiences - deeper more genuine contact, powerful consciousness, imagination, creation, envisioning, knowing - we can see how this relatedness/experiencing occurs more essentially as under a form of a givenness, of a giving of that which is already itself a being-given to/for/by itself alone (even if only “by us” is this realized/known or “made real”/attaining to a relevancy).
Whatever we identify as given, is separate from our identifying it. Only when the identifying becomes inseparable from the given-ness do we attain clarity. An overwhelming beauty is the result.

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Further questioning then: to what extent are the differences here, between the implications arising from either being itself as a being-given or those arising from a being-given as only a being of certain beings (us) which structurally attain certain configurations of relatednesses and embedded situatednesses, meaningful, relevant? What are the various utilities to positing either ex ante or ex post facto here? Maybe more importantly, can we yet effect a possible synthesis even here, on this now higher level? (Edit: answer: yes, through the use of value-ontology we seem able to formulate these principles and elements conceptually-logically).]
We can use it as a grid. This is the greatest problem here - what we have unearthed so far is still invisible to those who do not think as deeply, and will remain so wherever we do not fill it in with ‘flesh’ - which means, world-implication. The ‘key’ to this task I see now is that there is a great fulfillment in coupling concepts to their value-root, to their primordial emerging. It is not a ‘dry’ subject, but a feast of iconoclasm and archaic mythmaking, and when we see how the archaic myths are populated, by what sort of creatures, we can see the value that philosophizing will have to man when he truly sets to shape his world, when fires are ignited around which new thinking-dwelling emerges. We have built the walls, we need to ignite the fire. In this we do not stand separate, absent, but give ‘acte de présence’ as Lord - this is the only way in which culture grows: by example.

To give act-of-presence means to stand within given-ness as its signifier. It means to give the world to man anew. This can happen on every scale - for the philosopher it is different from a football-player, but the principle is the same. Philosophy is not simply labor, it is also identity. And to make identity felt one requires character, and let this be the very thing that the traditional conception of truth does not allow. All philosophers, in their proclamations about what is universal, have been poseurs, without knowing it they made statues of themselves, testaments to existence. But what type of existence did they testify to? It was, most of the time, rather hollow. No wonder that most of these philosophers were recluses and fools, that no exemplary philosopher has lived since the idea of Truth is Out There came to rule, by hands of Plato, the last thinker who was also a ruler.

*or: realities too significant to be identified.

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Defenders of the Earth
The Identity of Experience

Why is ‘raw affect’ dangerous? Because it is outside of the established power of identity, because it pushes one toward the walls (which in sum comprise one’s “outward” identity, the form of identity [but not its dynamism]). The affect is this dynamism, more precisely: this churning, moving raw affect is a flux giving-power because it is the source of the need for the walls of identity. These walls exist because they must exist, because they must wall off the affect, “translate” it. Science names this as instintuality and reduces it to the genes and to the common sociohistorical knowledge-base in which these genes express. But the affect is a power, the genes and the instinctuality forged only because the affect, the raw pathological psychial-cellular force of the organism('s various organic ‘centers’ and their mutual cooperation) has self-valued itself with respect to the limits around which this valuing has cohered (its environment/s) which are, in turn, not only multiple other valuings and self-valuings but also the product and effect of one’s own self-valuing activities. A massive, unfathomable world-sociality-causality emerges, Nietzsche’s devouring “monster of energy” which gives life (“spins off”, produces self-valuing ‘cores’, nexes of subjectivities) even as it devours life (dissolves these subjectivities). Man calls this moster of energy by the name of “nature”, an abstraction-reification of all “natural activity”, and science classifies this nature as the product of what it calls “inertia” and “entropy”.

Suspension of judgment is willingness to be walled-in. Organisms whose self-valuing apparatus’ do not more take into account their own walled-in-ness must value in a more linear fashion, and they tend toward more or less stable and repetitive channels of values-expres​sion(“behavior”). More complex organisms are those whose self-valuing apparatus begins to take into account more and more of their own conditionality, limitation, which is to say they enter into subtler relations with self and other. This is naturally “suspension of judgment”, a resistance to a tendency toward pre-fabricated (in the language of the existentialsits, inauthentic) ‘solutions’ (responses) to the ‘problems’ (situations) with which it is faced. Consistency here breeds organisms for efficiency, and what is lost in power of creativity must be compensated for elsewhere, most commonly in a shorter and simpler generational-reproductive time. Natural selection demands the ‘imbalance’ be made up for somewhere else, and we get the proliferation of various kinds of organisms: we get a range of organic form with various ratios of ‘suspension of judgment’ to ‘shorter and simpler generational-reproductive time’. Humans, being the known form of life highest on the one end of this scale, naturally balance this out by being the lowest on the other end.

Philosophy is the highest form of suspension of judgment which man has attained to, save perhaps some occult systems with which I am not familar. But these occult systems, powers of direct intention and calling forth the untranslated affect in the guise of potent symbols and beings, ought lend some of this power to philosophy, and philosophy some of it’s power to the occult. We might even suppose that identity reflects the philosophic side, while experience reflects the occult side: philosophy is the business of identifying experiences, the occult is the business of experiencing identities. Psychoanalysis then appears as philosophy trending toward the occult.

“We consume our psyche”, yes this is perfectly correct. With this in mind it is possible to conceive of human history in a positive sense of the progression of this both raw and effective consumption. Philosophy looks outward from within, the occult looks inward from without, but the ‘average man’ whom has neither philosophy nor the occult stands right in the middle, unbeknownst to him, straddling both spheres, which in truth are the eyes of two abysses. The world is shaped by how it is walled-in. Man is shaped by his world, and shapes it. In his agreements and disagreements man renders himself ineffective to the movement beyond the abyssal history of the (human) world, he is merely a negative presence in this hsitory, but may still retains an effectiveness in the natural world. In contrast, the philosopher or occultist neither agrees nor disagrees and is a proper “suspension of judgment”, thus effectuates himself with respect to world-history and becomes a positive element to and for it. In terms of effectiveness in the natural world, this remains to be seen and hinges upon the ‘gaps’ between the human-human, the human-animal and the animal-animal worlds, and how these gaps are to be encountered-translated.

The affect “is” the organism, if we are to speak of necessity; the translation of this affect, its functionality as reactivity and being walled-in “is” the organism if we are to speak of adequacy. All life is by definition an emergence from this necessity, and is adequate to itself (while it is alive, which is to say until its eventual demise, of course). But only man’s adequacy has become a necessity, or, phrased more precisely and in a positive sense: among all known life only man’s necessity is no longer adequate. Thus the shaman who has uncovered this ground first, by merely reacting to it, by attempting to draw the adequate back within the realm of the necessary; thus the philosopher, who has firstly translated this ground into a language and object-meaning, which is to say attempting to raise necessity up to the level of the adequate; thus the occultist, who seems most bent on closing the circle of identity and experience, of making the necessary fully adequate and the adequate entirely necessary. In these various modes the affect is encountered and (if it is allowed) re-shapes the organism-system which encouters it, producing disharmony. The form of this disharmony emerged as reason, logic being the form of language (measurement with appeal to quality) and of science (meaasurement with appeal to quantity). Logic gets us closest to the core of self-valuing, to the “natural laws” which constitute the agreements among subjects within a particular world; but the logic of identity-as-experience and of experience-as-identity, and of the various ways in which these interact, entwine, couple, merge and re-emerge, psychoanalysis and the occult being examples already mentioned here, gets us closest. “Pure” mathematics or logic lack the character which you spoke of, for the story must be a part of the knowledge which is to be ultimatedly digested by a self-valuing, living and specific subject, if indeed this knowledge is to be valuable, value-able. Philosophy has indeed made this error, it has not allowed itself to have enough suspension of judgment and it has lacked a positive language in which to develop and express its own nature. But with this fledgling language, of which value ontology is one example, and as you point out also the terms designated by psychoanalysis, we might point to a strange synthesis of the occult and the philosophic if we are to wonder at what form the continued self-disclosure of the human being will take in the future, which is to say what form man’s self-valuing appears to be trending toward.

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Fixed Cross
The Identity of Experience

Capable wrote:
Why is ‘raw affect’ dangerous? Because it is outside of the established power of identity, because it pushes one toward the walls (which in sum comprise one’s “outward” identity, the form of identity [but not its dynamism]). The affect is this dynamism, more precisely: this churning, moving raw affect is a flux giving-power because it is the source of the need for the walls of identity. These walls exist because they must exist, because they must wall off the affect, “translate” it. Science names this as instintuality and reduces it to the genes and to the common sociohistorical knowledge-base in which these genes express. But the affect is a power, the genes and the instinctuality forged only because the affect, the raw pathological psychial-cellular force of the organism('s various organic ‘centers’ and their mutual cooperation) has self-valued itself with respect to the limits around which this valuing has cohered (its environment/s) which are, in turn, not only multiple other valuings and self-valuings but also the product and effect of one’s own self-valuing activities. A massive, unfathomable world-sociality-causality emerges, Nietzsche’s devouring “monster of energy” which gives life (“spins off”, produces self-valuing ‘cores’, nexes of subjectivities) even as it devours life (dissolves these subjectivities). Man calls this moster of energy by the name of “nature”, an abstraction-reification of all “natural activity”, and science classifies this nature as the product of what it calls “inertia” and “entropy”.

Suspension of judgment is willingness to be walled-in. Organisms whose self-valuing apparatus’ do not more take into account their own walled-in-ness must value in a more linear fashion, and they tend toward more or less stable and repetitive channels of values-expres​sion(“behavior”). More complex organisms are those whose self-valuing apparatus begins to take into account more and more of their own conditionality, limitation, which is to say they enter into subtler relations with self and other. This is naturally “suspension of judgment”, a resistance to a tendency toward pre-fabricated (in the language of the existentialsits, inauthentic) ‘solutions’ (responses) to the ‘problems’ (situations) with which it is faced. Consistency here breeds organisms for efficiency, and what is lost in power of creativity must be compensated for elsewhere, most commonly in a shorter and simpler generational-reproductive time. Natural selection demands the ‘imbalance’ be made up for somewhere else, and we get the proliferation of various kinds of organisms: we get a range of organic form with various ratios of ‘suspension of judgment’ to ‘shorter and simpler generational-reproductive time’. Humans, being the known form of life highest on the one end of this scale, naturally balance this out by being the lowest on the other end.

This is a fitting context for the following excerpt from Nietzsche’s notebooks, or “The Will To Power”.

Quote :
984 (1884)

Greatness of soul is inseparable from greatness of spirit. For it involves independence; but in the absence of spiritual greatness, independence ought not to be allowed, it causes mischief, even through its desire to do good and practice “justice.” Small spirits must obey–hence cannot possess greatness.

II. Dionysus

1003 (Jan.-Fall 1888)

To him who has turned out well, who does my heart good, carved from wood that is hard, gentle, and fragrant–in whom even the nose takes pleasure–this book is dedicated.

He enjoys the taste of what is wholesome for him;

his pleasure in anything ceases when the bounds of the wholesome are crossed;

he divines the remedies for partial injuries; he has illnesses as great stimulants of his life;

he knows how to exploit ill chances;

he grows stronger through the accidents that threaten to destroy him;

he instinctively gathers from all that he sees, hears, experiences, what advances his main concern–he follows a principle of selection–he allows much to fall through;

he reacts with the slowness bred by a long caution and a deliberate pride–he tests a stimulus for its origin and its intentions, he does not submit;

he is always in his own company, whether he deals with books, men, or landscapes;

he honors by choosing, by admitting, by trusting.

1007 (Spring-Fall 1887)

To revalue values–what would that mean? All the spontaneous–new, future, stronger–movements must be there; but they still appear under false names and valuations and have not yet become conscious of themselves.

A courageous becoming-conscious and affirmation of what has been achieved–a liberation from the slovenly routine of old valuations that dishonor us in the best and strongest things we have achieved.

Capable wrote:
Philosophy is the highest form of suspension of judgment which man has attained to, save perhaps some occult systems with which I am not familar. But these occult systems, powers of direct intention and calling forth the untranslated affect in the guise of potent symbols and beings, ought lend some of this power to philosophy, and philosophy some of it’s power to the occult. We might even suppose that identity reflects the philosophic side, while experience reflects the occult side: philosophy is the business of identifying experiences, the occult is the business of experiencing identities. Psychoanalysis then appears as philosophy trending toward the occult.

Brilliant!
Regarding “philosophy as the highest form of suspension of judgment” - we might say that the philosopher is the one who has turned out best.

Quote :
“We consume our psyche”, yes this is perfectly correct. With this in mind it is possible to conceive of human history in a positive sense of the progression of this both raw and effective consumption. Philosophy looks outward from within, the occult looks inward from without, but the ‘average man’ whom has neither philosophy nor the occult stands right in the middle, unbeknownst to him, straddling both spheres, which in truth are the eyes of two abysses. The world is shaped by how it is walled-in. Man is shaped by his world, and shapes it. In his agreements and disagreements man renders himself ineffective to the movement beyond the abyssal history of the (human) world, he is merely a negative presence in this hsitory, but may still retains an effectiveness in the natural world. In contrast, the philosopher or occultist neither agrees nor disagrees and is a proper “suspension of judgment”, thus effectuates himself with respect to world-history and becomes a positive element to and for it. In terms of effectiveness in the natural world, this remains to be seen and hinges upon the ‘gaps’ between the human-human, the human-animal and the animal-animal worlds, and how these gaps are to be encountered-translated.

Indeed, to acquire effectiveness in the natural world from a self-created historical perspective/agency is precisely the task with which our type of philosopher is faced. After Plato, philosophers have accepted that their capacity as historical agents came with the price of being vulnerable natural entities, their influence and very sustenance was dependent on political rulers. But with our type, there has appeared a new scale to climb, something that has not existed since Plato made his stabs at politics. The natural human world has perhaps never been less naturally responsive to philosophy as it is now, politics are entirely separated from philosophy, meaning, teleology - so the philosopher must enforce his historical agency in the natural world. We are still at the very beginning of this undertaking. Thus from a disadvantage an impetus to advance is born: the philosopher must become the philosopher-king.

Regardless of whether or not we are capable of accomplishing/becoming this, that is the point to which the political and technological (natural) world has evolved. This is not to say that all philosophers have to ‘‘get out there’’ and enforce their will on other people, but they do have to organize in groups of which some fulfill this kind of ‘‘military’’ task. In this age of ripe nihilism, where there is no more worldly autority that is not deemed inferior to the mob by the mob, where there is no more ground for teleological reason (such grounds have always been in part superstitious and/or idolatory) this ground must be enforced by the type of human that is aware of the substance of such ground: our type.

It is of the utmost importance that we keep on visibly setting our type of thinking as a standard. Our philosophy must become regal not only in substance but in appearance - it must crown itself.

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“Spirit” could, in spite and banishing of the deeply embedded confusion around and by that word, aptly be translated into “self-valuing”. By this I mean that it is breath, the necessity, the pulse of life that makes it ‘a life’ - a continuous self referent and thus radically limited - phenomenon. A spirit - a one who values his breath in reflection of his breath in - and around. And between in and out, there is a reflection, and upon that reflection, a valuing - experience is identified after the breathing in. To breathe out completely is to enable the experience of identity. That choice still must be made there, This choice is probably at the basis of all profound religious airs - *

After the final, exhausted ssssssssh, there is an expanding, a corner of our soul which is then identifiable - and this is where evolution takes place. Only those who find in their breaths limits the limit that is transcendible, grow upon their soil, their blood, to a new ‘word’ - a new moral code, a newly discovered form of courage.

Granted, we are not Gods, we can only reflect this metaphors perfection in a few breaths every month perhaps, some of us might attain it once or twice a week - but we can imagine how this, if we are more aware of those breaths in fellow men, hissing us by in the dark, faint shadows of suspected purpose - allows us to reflect, if ‘fortune Strikes!’, incidentally upon them, and cause - what?

Love is a danger to the soul, why to encounter it deliberately? As with all dangers to encounter it in will of it is to conquer a priori all who do not take this course. Napoleons first breath of Corsican air - his identity superimposed on that experience by time, parents, France - and powerful enemies on the warpath…

[[[[ *the Catholic, fully bathing in the identity, versus the protestant, ‘up to the next cycle, the next harvest, the next profit!’ Capitalism is made out of a lack of Catholicism…]]]]

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The value of this observation I draw as follows:
The particular follow-through of the entity after its identification of its world by drawing in experience, determines not the extent to which he will follow through that particular experience. His identity is reflected wholly of his ethics, his working, warring or simply waking - or on the other hand a wanting, worrying, wrecking ‘code’ - continuity of action, value-projection by anticipation. Here is the technical definition of ‘the power of faith’ - the gift of being allowed to project an infinity of value, by the declaring of love for an infinite bestowing virtue.

The problem of religiously inclined people is not that God is dead (he always was ‘unchanging’), but no longer great enough. He’s not greatly dead, his deadness is puny.
We could change that only by creating a new one. And by God I simply mean the absence of self-inflicted restrictions, physiological moral conditioning, in trade for ones “soul” - ones highest and final love.

What a breath of fresh air if we stopped loving ‘humanity’ and selected a nature more lofty and less neurotic. Perhaps what we have called “soul” throughout the ages is in reality the same thing as “music” or “a great aesthetic idea” - The things for which certain humans live, for which these humans form a medium - perhaps what we call identity is merely our temporary and imperfect relation to something less conditioned by decay - the soul as something that has to find its way into the world through the vessel of flesh and blood.

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(The Identity of Experience, 2011, Jakob Milikowski a.k.a. Fixed Cross)