Misconceptions about the far-right.

I agree, they’re backing moderate conservatives and independents into a corner, on the defensive, which’s good PR for Nazis, who would never allow themselves to be backed into a corner in the first place, because they’d be on the offensive.
It started off as tolerance of minorities, then acceptance, now it’s tolerate and accept our intolerance and unacceptance of you.
The nerve of these people, they are biting the hand that feeds them, and he who gives can also take away, and destroy.

Oh and good point about father figures.
Yea all those young, fatherless, Godless white males without community, who will they turn to for guidance?
They may look for some in a strong, nationalistic leader.
Things could backfire for feminists.

Three self-admitted “Leftists” who have moved (somewhat) Right: admission at 45:33 mark.

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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twZXsp00bl4[/youtube]

25:32

“We need to reset the whole thing.”

I think that’s where the country is at. The Left don’t understand what’s going on. They don’t realize they capped-out and plateaued in their power, social sway, and momentum. As the pendulum swung Left (after Bush), it apexes, and then will sing back Right. So, I ask hypothetically, what is the greater significance to the Anti-Establishment vote? Why did America vote for Trump, except, to ‘upset’ the system. And what is meant by “Deep State”. This is somewhat mentioned in the dialogue.

I need to finish listening to this before going into my opinions about “The Deep State”.

Pleasure Versus Principle:

This sums up the Modern-Post-Modern battle between the US political parties today. The Left had the momentum for awhile now. I believe the Left secured their power during the Bill Clinton presidency and with the Bush Jr. fiasco that followed after 9-11. The Neo-Cons severely hurt the credibility of US foreign policy, by using 9-11 as a false-flag to justify and attack Saddam Hussein. Thus the Liberal-Left (Democratic party) gained power which followed through all the way through Clinton and then Obama. Now here is where things get interesting. Trump used to be (and kind of still is) a Liberal. Trump has never been a hardline Republican or Conservative. He is quintessentially a businessman and non-political. Trump bragged about the routine of paying-off politicians, throughout his career. So the larger significance of Trump’s election to presidency, is really a follow-through of this monumental shift to the apex of “Leftism”. However, at the time of the start of Trump’s run for presidency, I would consider him “Centrist” due to the larger societal shift to the Left. At least, Trump was ‘Center’ enough to earn trust within the Republican party. The Republican party, to their credit, felt the ‘win’ coming, and preferred to win, despite any implications of what that meant for the Republican party.

The win of Trump represents a shift in American centralization and power, a win of “New York Capitalism” over “Washington DC Establishment”. Trump was elected by the people, because the people in general, have grown upset with US internal-corruption, which I’m quite certain, extended from 9-11 and then the unjustified war with Saddam Hussein. Thus the American people are at least wise enough to understand the internal ‘feeling’ and problem. The growth of distrust between common person and Washington DC meant that, eventually, America would vote for any person “Anti-Establishment” they could, who had clout. That Trump came from “completely outside” the political paradigm, was absolutely necessary.

My personal hypothesis is not confirmed, from 10 years ago, or longer, back in 2009. Liberals hate their own, more than they hate their opposition or outsiders. The reason for accepting Obama and rejecting Trump, should be clear to most Americans, based on the last two decades of “Progressive” propaganda shoved down everybody’s throats. White man Bad, Black man Good. (But don’t be racist!) This has caused an inversion in the Liberal-Left, who now push the boundary too far, and I believe, cracks and fragments are already spread throughout greater American “culture”.

So what is Anti-Establishment? Well, also, what is “The Deep State”? Not too many intellectuals, thinkers, political philosophers, are even up-to-date or up-to-speed yet. I can answer these questions though. “Deep State”, referring to un-elected officials representing the US Government or Power Structure. This includes the following: 1) Lobbyists, 2) The Military-Industrial Complex, 3) Corporate boards and CEOs, 4) Mass Media, and 5) State Departments, DHS, FBI, CIA, Foreign Embassies.

As depicted in the video above, for a whole generation (30+ years), the US government spends-spends-spends, irresponsibly, because nobody had the means, intention, or awareness to simply ask “can you cut a billion dollars?” There is no government oversight. I believe the reasoning for this is twofold, outside of Corruption which is most obvious. The first reason spawns from the excesses of national gains post WWII and post Cold War. Upon winning such wars, the US has gained massive growths in economy and wealth, and so, does not need to “worry” about spending. This is beginning to falter, because the previous capital of “wins” has run its course. There is no new income, except, industrial and social ingenuity (the rise of Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, and other institutions of Post-Modern “American Culture”). Again it is mentioned in the video, the largest outsourcing of America (for the past 10 years) has been “The American Dream”. Thus I need to include Hollywood and the movie industry (other half of Media). The second aspect of Government spending, and corruption, stems from the Democratic platform of offering Welfare to the people in general, as a bribe/trade for votes. In other words, the Liberal-Left-Democrat, generally, wants to increase spending and increase taxes. While the Conservative-Right-Republican wants to decrease spending and decrease taxes. But, since Bush Sr. the debates ended about Budgeting, and instead, both parties started drinking deeply from the well. Greed, corruption, and bribery have run rampant, with both Democrats and Republicans taking part in the corruption (but Democrats more so).

Trump, as an outsider, and as a self-made Billionaire, avoids all the corruption, and can easily expose the corruption of Washington DC. Also, Trump’s personality and legacy is the guy who “Fires!” everybody. Thus Washington DC has never encountered somebody who “Fires!” government employees, branches of government, officials, or threatens the financial welfare of State Departments. This is what has Washington DC completely shook. So while the Republicans defend Trump, the pact is tenuous, for as long as Trump keeps producing ‘Wins’ and votes for Republican bureaucrats. This is the trade between the Conservative-Right and Trump. Furthermore, to protect Trump from impeachment, Senate Majority Republicans have already hinted toward a “You are going to owe us for this”, a price to be paid will be expected from Trump.

With all this in mind, the shift from Left to Right is becoming obvious. Average Americans are sick and tired of Media lies, and so alternative sources (the internet, google, youtube, twitter, etc) are being used to de-platform the classical media sources: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN. Democrats recently threatened Facebook to enforce Censorship “or else face punishment and illegality” from Congress.

The biggest problem of all, which everybody on this forum should have been talking about a year ago, is the new attacks and threats against Free Speech. Why can’t people name “The Whistleblower”, who has no legitimacy and no legal recourse, when the center of an Impeachment process of the President of the United States?!? Am I the only one seeing this? Or am I the only one with the intelligence and balls to say it outright?!

This is the beginning of the end, of Democracy, and Free Speech, unless the threats are checked strongly, by a majority and consensus of Americans today. It should have been yesterday.

But, as discussed in this thread, led by the wise and holy “Zero_sum_Joker”, there are bigger issues at work. And that is, the social and cultural division, perhaps a complete and messy Divorce, between Left and Right. If the hate is so strong, that the US Constitution is ignored, and the sides are willing to “go further”, with speech censorship, sedition, and greater threats, while ignoring Washington DC corruption, then I already know the outcome today. And it will be the fall of Democracy. Because what’s the point of voting for President, when the President can be impeached for literally no crime. And so you are truly not allowed to vote, unless it is Pro-Establishment.

And this is the real “Deep State”, which is heavily entrenched in The Establishment, meaning billions and trillions of US tax dollars at work, lining the pockets of a million people who may not deserve it, may not be accountable, and believe they are “above the law”.

I don’t like the Alt-Right label in that I believe it is nothing more than a giant psyop in that there is controlled opposition along with infiltrators, government spies, or impostors everywhere.

I just like to think of myself as being a part of the classical traditional far-right, you know the way things were before the whole Alt-Right came onto the scene messing things up.

I honestly can’t stand Alt-right Trump supporters, they annoy the hell out of me.

As far as I’m concerned Donald Trump and his supporters have no business in far-right circles.

You see I have a different perception, all those names you mentioned for me are controlled opposition.

You got to remember that they have agents in all social political circles. All those names you mentioned are in bed with zionists including Donald Trump. Viktor Orban? I don’t know what to make of him, he’s an interesting character.

For me cosmopolitan civic nationalism has no place in far-right circles either which I like to refer to as Globalism-Lite or fake nationalism. The only real nationalism is a racial and ethnic nationalism that opposes Global-Homo.

The United States will economically collapse like the former Soviet Union sometime between 2020-2025.

I think we’ll start to really see this emerging crash into the existential abyss at the end of next year.

Fascism will make a comeback along with racial nationalism because it’s becoming clear that multiracial democracies, republics, and neo-liberalism are all total failures. At some point I plan on making a thread describing how all of this will transpire.

Fascism will rise again in the chaotic vacuum of societal collapse, I’m really hoping it will be a racial national socialist form of fascism.

Flooding Europe with Africans and Middle Easterners changing the racial genetic composition of entire ancient populations isn’t helping. The European Union was designed to kill off European nationalism after the fallout of World War II.

We have a similar problem with Central and South Americans in the United States where with Canada mostly Asians.

It’s reverse colonialism with international crony capitalist zionists running the west now that openly call for killing, destroying, and abolishing European whiteness. You’re a racist if you acknowledge this openly or publicly.

Yes, there were plenty of mistakes made in the past. I won’t argue against that but let us not pretend genocide is purely a white thing either historically.

Jordan Peterstein and zionist Shapiro? :laughing:

Tommy Robinson, just another zionist lackey a part of the controlled opposition matrix.

What exactly do you think is going to happen when the native British, Welsh, and Scots die off in Britain?

You live in London, don’t tell me you haven’t seen the negative impacts of foreign immigration there going on the last thirty years.

Donald Trump is just another New World Order pawn placed there to oversee the national financial bankruptcy of the United States. I assure you that the United States is beyond saving now where its collapse is all but guaranteed.

When the United States collapses it will radically change the west forever and there will be chaos everywhere. There might even be a world war if people in positions of power become crazy enough to do so which is a distinct real possibility.

:laughing:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQOBrGi4oSs[/youtube]

Donald Trump is in all likelihood a complete and total fraud, but I doubt every civic national libertarian politician and popular social media personality is a complete fraud.
I’m a white nationalist, but not every politician and social media personality who isn’t a white nationalist is a total fraud.

I think of myself as a populist, rather than far, alt or center right or left.
Populism can be contrasted with pluralism (diversity, multiculturalism and multiracialism) on the one hand, and elitism on the other.
It’s about emancipating, empowering and putting the interests of the majority first (which means the white working and middle classes), as opposed to minorities, or elites first.

For me, populism is something concrete.
Basically It’s center-right on social issues, democratic and center-left on economic issues.
It’s not far right or left, because both collectivism, and individualism are compatible with populism.
The people express their will with their dollar and freedom of choice, with their guns and at the ballot box.
If there’s an excess of monetary and voter fraud, the people have the right to radically reform, or overthrow their government.
Insofar as government intervenes, it should be primarily to further the interests of the majority.

Rather than think of things in terms of right and left, I’d rather think of them in terms of inner and outer, or center/core and periphery.
Populism is the blood and guts of a society, elites and minorities are the extremities, or else, not a part of it at all, alien.
Elites and minorities become parasitical when they try to make themselves equal to the center, or put themselves at the center.
They must be made to recognize they are of lesser importance.
I have no desire to oppress anyone.
However, they should be accommodating us.

Populism is not scientific or religious elitism either.
Science and religion are of 2ndary importance.
What the people think, as individuals, communities and a collective, is primary.

I voted for Maxime Bernier.

While I’m sure Donald Trump is full of it, I’m not sure about the others, some I haven’t done enough research on, others haven’t really had a chance to prove themselves yet by being elected.

Democracy is perfectly compatible with white nationalism.
Up until about 1965, Canada, the US and the UK were white national democracies.
Our immigration policies were designed to keep us majority white.
Israel, South Korea and Japan are ethno-states, and democracies.
And the soviet union was, and Russia under Vladimir Putin is, a civic nationalist autocracy at best.

While civic nationalism is inadequate for me, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Is it too little, too late?
We’ll see.
Even still, all else being equal, I’d rather support a group of white nationlist revolutionaries who’re in favor of some democracy than another group of white nationalist revolutionaries who aren’t.

I agree with you in that civic nationalism is not far-right, if anything it’s center or center-left, far right would be would be mass-deportation of nonwhites.

That enforced-influx of large immigration numbers is the weirdest phenomenon, that has been forced upon the Western Hemisphere… I doubt things can get any worse, and I really don’t want to be proven wrong on that one.

Sorry, I meant self-genocide, as in not reproducing… so, what and whom is stopping the white populations from procreating, making babies, and populating the planet too with little thems?