That makes sense, if freedom costs money then one should also be able to sell ones freedom.
No worries mate. Get some fresh panties.
Wish I could laugh in turn at your ideas but they’re so depressingly off he mark.
How do you figure any number of poor frustrated guys that don’t know or trust each other would find out the locations of the wealthiest families in the world and then make their way to those addresses without being molecularly disintegrated by sonic weapons? And by extension, do you think national socialism was a ground-up peoples movement, open to workers? It was just another attempt at some form of elitism.
I think this is generally true.
Indeed, freedom is not the only thing that costs money.
Sure, but then there’s also the rape.
Humans are obviously not actually like or capable of that. I am very convinced that nazis resolved this by systematic brutal rape. Specially when they were forming, in the early brownshirt days. Later older German traditions may have softened the edges a bit. It cannot be denied that some of the new wave of Generals that gave Hitler his early success took an amount of fun in strategy that does not align with that rigidity. They were creative, and in touch with what gives creativity, which is fun. So something came in after the creation of the SS which was what actually took Hitler to power. Let us not forget too the so often overlooked religious facet of nazis. Speilberg did us the kindness of not allowing us ever to forget. That is not the product of a will to rigidity. It is a teenager who wants to be naughty, and understands that one can only truly be naughty under the protection of big daddy. It is father’s protection that allows it. And we all know daddy likes things rigid. Best make a show of it. It’s all sexual.
Let us be clear: in breaking so violently from the established past, Hitler attracted to himself a number of geniouses, who were looking for any excuse to unleash their genious, implacably repressed by the Christian past. Military geniouses, fashion geniouses, intellectual thirsters, engineers. All sorts. It wasn’t a choice, it was just a dam that broke. Reifenstahl. He cheated his people. Much like Chavez cheated us. Goddamned motherfucking socialists.
Still, let them all burn.
Or build spaceships for the U-nited States of America.
Yes, I remember those prior days of the past. 
You know I’m not just a man of chaos where in fact in another thread I’ve layed out my ideals for a just and ordered society with what that would look like. I talk a lot about chaos because I’ve lived a very chaotic life where I understand chaos all too well. In some ways I still do revel in chaos and very much enjoy its presence like that when I was a much younger man but I also understand the necessity of social order in stark contrast. Of course there’s always a relationship between chaos and social order where they sort of constantly influence each other. There is no social order either without constant reoccurring intervening chaos that becomes its greatest primary influencer, social existential chaos is a constant that is always the shadow lurking behind or underneath social order. As much as imposed social order tries to eliminate chaos it can never do so completely, it can only hope to restrain chaos for as long as it can until it breaks loose again onto the world which it always does.
Concerning human beings social order and chaos are both constants forever fighting or dancing with each other in concert.
Moreover social order is itself controlled chaos and I’ve come to appreciate or revel in that as well.
I like national socialism, it’s the only social, political, racial, economic, and government system that makes any sense to me. One thing hasn’t changed for me, I really do despise western neo-liberalism where I want to see it fall.
0-16 years old: Roman Catholic / Conservative household and upbringing
17-present day: non-practising RC/Spiritual, but still attend RC church for family Sacraments and local Community events / Conservative values, so started supporting the Conservatives, became a part of my Local Association, and standing in Elections since 2010
During my college and uni days, so from age 16-21, I declared myself as Labour, as it stopped those around me from debating politics with me, and I couldn’t think of anything worse than that at that age… my Art-student peers did likewise, for the very same reason, as we were all inward-facing introverted types that weren’t about that debating-life, but we were not Left-leaning in the slightest.
As I am older then most here, my own “personal evolution”
takes in much different ground… the only thing to note before I was
18 is that my earlier years were of wealth, then by age 10, poverty
and poverty was my companion for many years…
as for my political views, I as does everyone, simply followed my
parents political views… as they were upper class media types,
they were left of center, nothing too radical…and neither was I…
the first turning point in my individual evolution was the election of
Ronny Raygun in 1980…at that point I had lived in California for several years
and saw first hand the damage he did as governor and I knew what damage
he would do to the country if elected…politically, I was radicalized…
in time, I became an anarchist… and lived the anarchist life… I was completely
off the grid…
and philosophically I was radicalized by my reading of Nietzsche… before N.
I really didn’t think philosophically…and I believed myself to be the Ubermensh….
oh, the lies we tell ourselves when we are young……
and as one grows older, the lies we tell ourselves change…
the lies become lies of practicality…
I would do that but I can’t because of……
I remained an anarchist for the rest of the 80’s but I changed my philosophical
position several times over the decade… from a follower of Hume to
a major phase of existentialism which engaged me for many years…
in the nineties, I realized the failure of anarchism, so I reengaged with
communism…as my politics were slowly becoming less radical,
so was my philosophy…
I have had three distinct political positions
and at least 5 distinct philosophical positions…
and in all that time, over 40 years, I never wavered from being
an atheist…
my philosophical and political changes have been due to the
changing, evolving conditions on the ground…
we must adapt and change both our political and philosophy
with the changing situations we find ourselves in…
I adapt with the times… which is more then I can say for most people…
most people hold on to their beliefs with a death grip… because for most
people, their beliefs define who they are and if their beliefs are wrong,
then everything they have stood for is wrong…to be wrong would
challenged everything they know or understand about the world and themselves…
to be wrong would mean one’s place in the universe would be unmoored
and people would feel disconnected and alienated from themselves and society…
our beliefs and actions stem from a place within us…
when I walk into a room, I usually guess that I am the smartest person
in that room, that knowledge, that security gives me the starting point
of my interactions with people and the universe…
I have a strength that most people don’t have… and I work from that strength…
which allows me to act and interact with people…
let us say that I discover I am actually of average intelligence… my strength
would be negated, I would not have some place of strength to approach the world…
I would become unsteady and unsure…I would doubt myself…
I would become disconnected and alienated from the beliefs that have
allowed me to connect to the world………
to become who you are allows one to deal with, have interactions with
people from a secure and safe place… who we are… that is the place
where we begin… we flow from our inner being to our outer self…
if we are connected to our inner being, our “who we are” we flow from
a position of strength… this knowledge of “who we are” allows us to
successfully engage with the world…the being “Kropotkin” begins not
with the outside visible self, but with his understanding of “who he is”,
all his actions and interactions flow from Kropotkin’s knowledge of
who he is…we travel from our inner selves to our outer self…
all our outer actions and interactions flow from our knowledge of who we are…
if we are confused as to who we are, then our actions and interactions with others,
reflect that confusion…
my own personal evolution has taken me to a place where if I am to understand myself,
I must not begin with my actions or interactions with others, but with the knowledge
of “who I am”…
Kropotkin is not the action or interactions he has with others, but Kropotkin
is that inside of him, that “who I am”…when I say me… I am saying, “who I am”
that inside of me… I think of myself as the smartest person in the room,
that understanding of who I am is the basis of my actions and interactions
with the universe…
I begin there… I am the smartest person in the room…
everything flows from that knowledge…
but that knowledge might be a lie…
and only confusion and uncertainty and disconnection can come from
that new knowledge… …
so I continue to believe I am the smartest person in the room…
but at what cost?
Kropotkin
Good to see you too old chum, I consider you an ally on that as well.
Right, I’ve been an anarchist, a libertarian and what I’m calling a national social democrat, but there’s some things I’ve never been, I’ve never been a liberal (in the post-classical sense of that word) or a progressive, at least not on social issues, I’ve never been a globalist, a corporatist and I most certainly have never been a Zionist.
I’ve never been an autocrat either, altho as our civilizations continues to unravel, national social autocracy may be necessary.
When society breaks down into total chaos, believe me, we’re going to need an autocracy. 
So from total chaos we get an organized autocratic structure. By what mechanism will this occur?
Civil war, violent revolution, economic collapse, and the internal destruction of the former government.
[Competing philosophical political ideologies in the background fighting over what the next government will be and how to rebuild the nation after it collapses. Ect, ect.]
It might not re-arise as a single unit. It would likely have a strong military format, at least for a while, given that they could maintain order. Then it will be what they are will to transition to. Unless there are different military factions and these gain control of different regions. And then within these regions what each military power is willing to transition to, if they are.
I truly doubt these regions will break down into racially pure subunits. We are way too bonded over race and culture lines. And the military is mixed. I don’t think the main power factions will break down over racial lines, though there would like be racial aspect to the chaos.
National socialism, the only one we’ve seen in action for any length of time, with any broad influence, was centered on one charismatic leader. That might happen, or it might be more like juntas. You might get Balkanization.
The whole thing might pave the way for single world government, if the chaos was widespread enough. There is also a chance of larger scale wars with weapons that mess things up for most people and most life.
Let’s see here:
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It takes six to seven days without food for civilization or society to transform into utter chaos.
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Almost sixty five percent of the entire United States has no savings less than $500.00. [Not that it would help them when money becomes worthless overnight anyways.]
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What are they going to pay the military in? You forget ex military veterans, police, and law enforcement in your equation. Most military personnel are going to be concerned for their own family and well being with the continuity of government being damned.
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Some regions most definitely will but not all of them.
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It will start as multiple exceedingly angry white juntas until a charismatic leader emerges that unites those multiple angry white juntas into a singular unified organized political movement or force.
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They’ll probably try for a world government with the collapse of the United States but that will only give more fuel for western nationalists and juntas even more. That would be like pouring gasoline on the global dumpster fire making it burn much more brighter.
Of course they’re going to try all the same. 
May the victor gain all the spoils of war.
More likely you are now China.
China is trying to become the new United States worldwide [Only the communist and Asian version] in replacing the former one. Nobody in this country would ever accept Chinese rule or dominance, that much I can tell you right now.
Yeah they all say that.
That is all well beyond China’s ambitions.
They think differently, grounded in ages, their seeming arrogance is merely a deep honesty about where things are going for them, which is in the direction of playing a great part in the development of the unified world. But their assumption of their own superiority is rooted in the deeper assumption of plurality. They arent “Chinocentric” in the narcissistic sense, their plan isn’t to usurp the whole planet and make it speak Chinese. This wouldn’t be in their interest. Their interest namely is to be China in a world of nations, and be thereby the greatest among many. They aren’t monolithic - appearances to that effect are distortions in the vision of what is actually our own power expanding.