Misconceptions about the far-right.

The deep state socialists have been forced into the light. Now they are desperate to conquer the last standing constitution, yielding them total global hegemony.

That is the way of social manipulation of the masses. And that is why voting becomes irrelevant once socialists take over. Everyone becomes merely a reflection of their propaganda programing. The voting merely tells the ruling class who needs more programming. China is doing exactly that to the expected extreme already, using every bit of technology available to subdue and program the perfect citizenry.

I would certainly favor that, but what did you have in mind?

I want to re institute a Prussian military order, which empowers individuals to be spiritual warriors, adapting to the 21st Century and the future. Something secretive so that mainstream couldn’t get to it, Exclusive. It would have to gain access to technology, and I think, eventually focus needs to be given to getting off of Earth. I don’t think there is any room for freedom, on Earth, for self-expression or social integrity. Globalists want to infiltrate any and all groups that pose a threat to hegemony. Any truly aristocratic, modern group, that has honesty and integrity, would be targeted. So secrecy is the only means to create such a group, until there would be areas to retreat to.

Until space exploration opens up, there’s not much that can be done to resist the status-quo.

I suspect that you are already a couple of decades too late.

Concerning the history of both democracies and republics they’ve only existed a few hundred years compared to thousands of years of non-democratic nations. In my opinion modern democracies and republics will collapse in on themselves where this young political experiment will ultimately fail where non-democratic governments will once again be the norm.

I believe fascism can exist without slavery and I don’t desire a colonial or imperial form of fascism. I’m all about a nationalist form of fascism that focuses on domestic social activities only.

In my socialism there are still economic classes and divisions of labor but at the same time my government would promote the dignity or integrity of each class affording them a livelihood deserved for every human being. I’m a collectivist also which means all citizens working together in concert for one higher national purpose.

I also believe that the wealthy need to be regulated and heavily supervised by the state to make sure they don’t disrupt the national social harmony or general welfare of the people. I believe in harsh and capital punishment for those that disrupt society for their own individual gains. I’m very much a social collectivist and have nothing but disdain for individual greed or corruption. I take a very hard stance against radical individualism.

I’m all about unifying people and collectivism, especially in an a very aggressive manner if need be to accomplish this goal. As a national socialist and my racial beliefs this purely means for ethnically racial white Europeans. My focus is purely for ethnically racial white Europeans.

As I’m a collectivist I would seek to eradicate radical individual feminism by a set of social policies and legislation. My political philosophy revolves around a strong commitment to traditional large conservative families. I am definitely pro family and marriage. This would help with the abysmal fertility and birth rates of ethnically white Europeans. I seek a white European population revival.

My national socialism is pro white working class meaning the government’s mandate would be to protect the social integrity or dignity of the working classes economically. I believe in a bottom up approach to this in modelling rather than a top down. The central state would act as a political vanguard to make sure there are no abuses of power from the top. This is why I prefer a sort of political non-democratic constitutional fascist state.

The objective would be to create a highly functioning and efficient central state where people’s social happiness is maximized so much for the majority that most people would feel no need or desire in rebellion to begin with added with a highly patriotic national fervor. If a majority of people’s needs are met and they’re happy they won’t even care about living under a dictatorship. There would be a sort of national happiness index that would take priority equally with that of the national productive economic index as one would not supercede the other.

I got to go to work soon where I’ll finish this conversation later. :wink:

Today’s capitalism is all about empowering and enriching a small percentage of the population at tremendous cost, neglect, exploitation, or disenfranchisement of a majority of people. That is why capitalism like its Soviet Union predecessor will collapse also. We see global capitalism right now collapsing with things like a negative yielding bond market, endless debts, endless deficits, and financial quantitative easing. Today’s capitalism is completely unsustainable.

While neo-liberal capitalism outlived the Russian Soviet communist model by only a few decades it is in its last death throes currently. I disagree with your overall assessment of capitalism Obsrvr.

If you have any more questions on economic policy we can go into that.

Well according to the marxist lite democrats we white nationalists are the most dangerous terroristic threat in the West right now which is hilarious for many reasons.

Muslims? Yeah, they pose a threat concerning terrorism within the west no doubt about that but in many ways endless wars throughout the Middle East attacking their people isn’t helping resolving all issues with them. Supporting apartheid Israel isn’t helping either.

Jews are just as bad as Muslims but with them they wage deceptive coordinated silent wars along with propaganda ones in a very subtle way of sabotaging others overtime. Because of such that makes them all the more dangerous than Muslims. Muslims are very predictable, Jews are not.

Actually I’m not Christian at all, I adhere to a kind of spiritual paganism. I don’t really like Abrahamic religions of any kind. I’m not a fan of Christianity, Judaism, or Islam.

As I keep reminding you while I identify as a socialist I am not a Marxist or democratic one.

“A nation of spaghetti eaters cannot restore Roman civilization!” - zeronito sumolini

Here, let me help you out.

The United States is on the verge of financial, economic, political, and existential collapse. The future undoubtedly will be a violent one with a clash of civilizations, philosophies, economics, and politics taking place. It’s inevitable at this point and there is no stopping it. A very exciting time to be alive. :laughing: :sunglasses:

But what about lasagna eaters? Do they get a pass? :sunglasses:

Donald Trump: same clown, different makeup.

My social, political and economic philosophy is basically a synthesis of the two.
I’m a national social democrat as opposed to an international social democrat.
On society, I’m in favor of some libertarianism, more conservatism and nationalism (the ingroup/majority first, insular) and no progressivism and globalism (outgroups/minorities first, outsular).
On government, I’m in favor of democracy.
On the economy, I’m in favor of some capitalism, more socialism and no corporatism.

I’m pretty live and let live, but insofar as government intervenes in our personal lives, it should be to help us make healthier choices, as opposed to say, helping an 8 year old cut his junk off.
I look at LGBT the way I look at alcohol and marijuana, like you should be free to do it, but it’s nothing to be proud of, having a traditional family is, and keep it away from kids.

I think women should have as many rights as men, not more like they do now, but I also think most kids will be better off if the mother stays home while the father works, if financially feasible (and that’s where reducing taxes and introducing supplementary income for the working class comes in, as well as increasing taxes and ending corporate welfare for the upper class, nationalizing the central banks and putting the banksters in jail).

I also think we should stop immigration from non-white countries, deport all illegals and refugees, and encourage some nonwhites to go back to their country of origin.

On science and medicine, I’m in favor of more alternative and DIY science and medicine.
I think science and government are hiding a lot of things about health and the nature of reality from us.
They want to keep us dumbed down, misinformed and sick, that way we’re easier to manage and profit off of.

On technology, I think we’ve picked all the low hanging fruit sort of speak, what’s left is either presently out of reach, unripe or poisonous.
I think tech should help preserve and protect what we are and evolve naturally, rather than transform us into something we’re not.
It should enhance and supplement our lives, rather than substitute or replace them.
Tech exists to serve humanity, not the other way around.
We have to be more careful with how we proceed technologically, not try to fix what’s not broken.
We got the wrong idea about tech.

That being said, I’m in favor of CO2 and global warming, the globe isn’t warm enough, but as I’ve said elsewhere, I’m against 5G, geo and genetic engineering, nanotech and apprehensive about Ai.
CO2 is a nutrient, it’s either a boon, not a concern or the least of them, but I am concerned about unnecessarily dumping toxic chemicals, the endangerment of species, unnecessary deforestation and scientific meddling.

Basically I’m a populist and for a healthier, more sustainable civilization.
I want to put the people, both as individuals and the white working class majority (our backbone) first, as opposed to the elite or minorities first.
I’m a populist because why the hell would I put others ahead of me and my people?
That’s masochistic, servile and suicidal.
It doesn’t mean I don’t care about others, it just means I prioritize.
Let’s spend most of our resources on us, and if we have a little something leftover, then perhaps we can help others.

There’s no such thing as an antipopulist or unpopulist democracy, both elitism and pluralism are unpopular and undemocratic, populism and democracy are synonymous.
Our elite want to do the very opposite, promote the interests of themselves and minorities at the expense of ours as individuals and the white working class majority, as well as promote disease, death and conduct radical, reckless and unnecessary scientific experiments on a massive scale.
I’ve come to realize the elite aren’t just selfish, they’re anti-human and anti-life.
In all honesty, I’m not even sure they are entirely human.

I’m an agnostic and pretty secular, but insofar as government intervenes in our religious lives, it should be to promote white paganism.
Christianity at its core is Zionist, and I’m not a Zionist.
Israel and Jews have proven time and time, and time again they are not an ally.

Right, the alt right is diverse, perhaps more so than the alt left.

I want to add this movement is international, it isn’t being lead by Donald Trump.
There is Maxime Bernier in Canada, Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, Nigel Farage in Britain, Marine Le Pen in France, Matteo Salvini in Italy, FIS in Poland, Viktor Orban in Hungary and other political leaders as well as thousands of writers, speakers and organizations around the world.

In the anglosphere, it tends to be more libertarian capitalist, in continental Europe more conservative socialist, but it’s never liberal or progressive corporatist.

What unites them all is nationalism as opposed to globalism by conquest or globalism by consent, whether it’s a weaker civic nationalism or a stronger white and/or Christian nationalism, as well as a deep-seated and well-founded suspicion of and antagonism towards the social, political and economic establishment, especially of course but certainly not limited to the liberal or progressive establishment.

The 1950s and early 60s were sort of the peak of Americanism.
We had a good balance of capitalism, socialism and less cronyism.
We had a good balance of libertarianism and conservatism and no liberalism or progressivism.
Our immigration policy was designed to keep us majority white.

North America, the EU and Australia are unraveling.
If they don’t change course soon, they’ll collapse within the coming decades, and with them, much of the rest of the world.
Balkanization, (civil) war and poverty will ensue.
Zero Sum is right, Fascism and Nazism fell in the 40s, Communism in the 90s and in my estimation, Americanism will fall before 2050 if we don’t radically reverse trajectory.

I think the die is already cast. The Liberal-Left-Progressivism has no reason or cause to rear-up, and won’t be stopped except by force. They can’t be reasoned with, because there is no function in the American education system, that teaches or educations reasoned recourse or logical dialogue. It’s not about logic, anyway. It’s about feeling. And that feeling anymore is: microaggressions, toxic-masculinity, being offended, and de-platforming. It’s less-and-less about really coming-together to work out differences, to lob infammatory comments and libel, from as far away as possible. So the bottom-line is, the extremists will keep pushing the limits until something breaks. And the “divisiveness” of the country is demonstrating this. There maybe a lot more ‘divisive’ presidents to come, before any ‘unifier’. Unity of what, and why?

Does America really want to “Unify” with Transexual-Education of 5-year-olds, and teaching generations to come, that you can be “any gender you want”?

The fact that the Democratic Party doesn’t rebuke this outright, and entertains, “well maybe we can step this direction”, symbolizes how disparate “Left and Right” have become.

To liberals, I would pose this question as well, are you going to teach your 5-year-old child that gender is “fluid”, or aren’t you?

@Gloominary: The EU is unraveling because they got greedy, and Farage’s remit is pro Britain not pro white, as the UK encompasses Commonwealth countries, who are all about pro Britain/the Commonwealth countries. We like to keep it simple, not complicated… there’s no need.

We are a country, not a Continent… unlike the US… big difference.

The US is more at a pivotal point in its history than any other nation in the world, fact! They need to resolve this, before they can progress. There’s always a way forward.

The last half millennium has been interesting.
From the discovery of the Americas in 1492, to the end of the British empire in 1997, to today, the world witnessed the ascendency of whites and their civilization(s) and is witnessing their descendency.
First we colonized the Americas, then Australia, then Africa.
We became the most numerous, powerful and prosperous race on earth.
Now our numbers, both absolutely and relatively are declining, as well as our power and prosperity.
We went from colonizing the world, to decolonizing it, to entering a new age, an age of reverse colonization that began in 1965.
Whites forsook their values, adopted anti-values and are allowing themselves to be genocided.

Discovered? like you discovered you had a penis when you first started masturbating… only to realise it was always there.

What do you propose or foresee, for the planet’s future? not a trick question…

Are you going to hold your own/whites up for scrutiny, seeing that you think them genocidal and therefore self-destructive? what and whom is stopping them from procreating, making babies, and populating the planet too with little thems? What?

You’re probably thinking of Tommy Robinson, who… when he joined UKIP after being in the BNP, made its members leave in their droves, as UKIP is made up of many defected Conservatives and those from other parties, who don’t want to be associated with extremists, but do want to maintain some sort of national integrity and identity.

Being pro-Britain does not have to mean pro-white… and it generally doesn’t here, as even the BNP ain’t about that life, but about putting British Nationals first… just like the other right-leaning Parties here are.

It seems that what the West did to the rest of the world, the rest of the world is doing likewise to the West, and now the entire planet is suffering for what our ancestors did, but we ourselves are not responsible for, but the brunt of which we are privy to and burdened with.

Sometimes it seems that America doesn’t want to resolve their issues, because if they really wanted to, they would have done so by now… they’re smart enough people, aren’t they?

Agreed, you can’t rationalize, or even compromise with these people anymore.
If you don’t financially and morally support your 5 year old’s sex denial, sex mutilation, sextermination and sexualization, you’re a Nazi, and your child will be taken into state custody, presumably where the predators will have no trouble accessing them.
If you want a border, you’re a Nazi.
If you want people to come to your country legally, you’re a Nazi.
If you think women and minorities should have the same rights as men and the majority, you’re a Nazi, they must be given a hell lot more rights and brainwashed to hate whites, Christians and men.
If you want immigrants convicted of terrorism or aiding and abetting it to be deported, you’re a Nazi.

Not only are we no longer an ethnonational state anymore, we’re not even a civic national state.
According to their prime minister Justin Trudeau, Canada is the first post-national state, but the same could now be said of many western states.
What this really means in practice is, only white people aren’t allowed a racial, religious or ideological identity outside of liberalism, only white people have to enter the country legally, brown people can enter the country illegally, brown people can have a racial, religious or ideological identity outside of liberalism, and they can politically impose their identity on themselves and others.

So what is Canada?
We’re not united by our race, religion or our ideology, not even liberalism, again only white people have to be liberals.
We’re basically just an amorphous hodgepodge mishmash of different people who happen to reside within the loosely or undefined borders of a state that happens to be called Canada.
The only thing that unites us all, is our hatred for white people and Christians.
The only thing we can be sure of is, this nation does not belong to them, it belongs to everyone else, and they will remake it in their image.

And if you don’t agree with all of that, hell if you have some questions or concerns, you’re a bigot, a conspiracy theorist, a fascist, a Nazi, etcetera.
Canada and much of the rest of the world is affectively being dismantled piece by piece as we write.
There is absolutely no way Canada can continue existing in the coming decades.
It will simply become a province of the totalitarian UN, or broken up into smaller warring ethno-states.

You see populism, the idea that people should rule themselves as individuals, is a white thing, other than the Japanese and South Koreans, the other races haven’t shown any indication they appreciate it.
And when these people are divided by race, language, customs, ideology and many of them aren’t even citizens, it will be that much more difficult for them to unite and resist tyranny (never mind resist, many of them will outright support it).
This is why either the breakup, or sublimation of Canada into a totalitarian UN is inevitable.
I mean we heard the admission from Justin Trudeau, Canada is merely a vacuum, and nature abhors vacuums, collapse or totalitarian takeover is inevitable.
Post-apocalypse, or dystopia, take your pick.

The old battle between right and left used to be primarily an economic one, because they mostly agreed on cultural issues, for they mostly had the same culture, Anglo-Saxon and other European.
But we’re not the same culture anymore, far from it, we’re multicultural, + there’s all these subcultures, and outright anti-cultures.
While we’re more economically divided than ever, the chasm between rich and poor continues to widen due to cronyism, the battle has become primarily racial and cultural now, which’s of course what the overclass wants, but we have no choice but to respond to mass immigration, anti-white indoctrination and policies.
Do white people still have a future in the countries they built, or will they step aside, allow others to do what they will with them, and go the way of south Africa?

The right and left used to meet somewhere in the middle, but not anymore, especially when it comes to identity politics and immigration, and this is mostly the left’s fault, the right is almost always willing to at least have a conversation, the left is not, like you say microaggressions, libel, slander, cancel culture, de-platforming, death threats and physical assault is what you get when you try to open a dialogue with these people.
You used to be able to hold elections and appoint judges (see Bret Kavanaugh), but you can’t even do that anymore either.
Like or loathe him, Donald Trump is the president (I don’t like him because he hasn’t lived up to his rhetoric), but the democrats can’t accept it, and they will stop at nothing to depose him, whatever they think they can get away with, conspiracy theories, Russian collusion and so on.

Based on your response, here’s what I believe will happen eventually if not sooner.

As the extremities keep pushing and pushing, until something breaks, the ‘Right’ is going to be forced into a corner. In the United States, I believe, most of the “White” population don’t want to be “Nationalists”, don’t want to be “Alt-Right”, and don’t want to be “Fascist”, but because the Liberal-Left have become radicalized, literally crazy with fanaticism, the majority of people will need to in-fact step to the Right. This will lead to the appearance of actual Nazi groups. So the Left is going to force to appear, what they fear and hate. They are creating, what they fear and hate. And they can’t stop themselves. And they won’t stop themselves.

The analogy I’m thinking of, is a crazed single-parent child, a young son who is throwing temper-tantrums, becoming a teenager, 13 years old, and his mother cannot control him. There is no Male guidance, Fatherless, bastardized. The mother doesn’t know what to do. She treats him with a soft-hand, and he never has been hard-disciplined, or demonstrated the type of fear and violence that can be threatened and imposed by a Father-figure. Without this Authority, and concerning the larger point, a complete lack of Discipline, Rules, Order, in general, the young son will keep acting-out until something breaks. In real-world terms, this usually ends by the teenage son acting Juvenile, eventually meeting the police, possibility of jail, etc. Or in many fatherless ghettos, the black community, this involves joining a gang, and then seeing the gang-leader as a surrogate-father type.

In the US, the common analogy is “Lack of God”. The mainstream “Right” simply respond with “They need God in their lives”, which the Left rebukes and rejects. But the meaning is lost. Without God, (any godly figure of masculinity), and without a real-life Father surrogate, what will people look up to, or lookout for, except a real Fascist Authoritarian??? So what other consequence will there be, except the rise of these types of figures? Because the Liberal-Left will not “fix itself”, refusing to do so, instead the Center and Right will be forced further Right until you “may as well be a Nazi”. I mean, if that’s what you hear everyday from the Media-run Liberal-Left, that you’re a “Nazi Nazi Nazi!!!” for wanting secure borders, for not wanting your 5-year-old exposed to Transexual perversion, for wanting a traditional family, well, then… FINE I’M A NAZI@! And this will be the Necessary reaction and conclusion.

The representation is, the demand is created in the void. Because the Liberal-Left cannot “back-off”, because of lacking Self-Discipline, represented by a fatherless contingent of society, they are going to create in others what they fear and hate the most. I wish I could say “this isn’t inevitable, there can be another way”, but I fear otherwise. What alternative is there? What other response can occur, in the meantime, to prevent the collision? I don’t know, maybe I’m missing something?

People’s wants or desires in a collapsing civilization, nation, and society is irrelevant. They’ll do what they’re told if they want to live once the rebuilding efforts begin. Their whiny lamentations be damned.

They’ll learn to like the new social order that is imposed on them to benefit from it in their personal lives or they can experience persecution within it if they insist on becoming a disruptive problem.