Misconceptions about the far-right.

Certainly there can be government without democracy. Those have existed for thousands of years. The problem is that every one of them that lasted any more than a couple of generations have involved slavery. And I am pretty certain it is nearly impossible to prevent it. So I would need very substaintial evidence to support your governing theory.

I have to agree with both of those statements.

Now you have proposed a serious conundrum. Socialism is entirely a 2 class system (every kind of socialism being proposed). Socialism is distinguished from communism only in the regard that Communism pretends to have no class distinction. So actually perhaps you envision some kind of balance between socialism and communism where there is a little difference between the distinct classes but not much?

That would be pure communism and had been proven to fail almost instantly (again unless you have some magic spell that others have not revealed). And seems odd to be coming from a “far-right”.

The reason that communism (as well as socialism) does not work in reality is that they are both entirely imaginary realities wherein people work happily even though they have no inspiration to do so. They exactly reflect the wet dream of some loser guy who images women obeying his every command even though they have been given no actual reason to do so. They are fantasies of weak minded users of other people (often found among the Jews, hence Karl Marx and “usury”).

Well okay, nice dream but if you just get your socialism before you nail down exactly how to prevent the inherent corruption that comes with classism, guess what?

Exactly and precisely what rules are going to establish your version of governing and prevent it from being real socialism or communism? Your governing method must include the issue of what incentives give inspiration to workers of whatever class to keep them vibrant and fruitful. So far socialism and communism do just the opposite. That is why capitalism, which provides at least a little hope and inspiration has such an extreme economic advantage over the others.

Okay so it is some kind of compromise.
Now we need merely to know exactly which changes you prefer. And again note that once you go too far into social control of the economy, you no longer have any way to make corrections. Once voting is lost, it is lost forever. And you can forget about rebellion, which you seem to want to eliminate anyway (careful of what you wish for).

Seems to me that Muslims are much, much worse.

Do you attribute the global terrorism rage lately to Jews, Muslims, Secularists, or who?

I thought that they very strongly identify by race, more so than most others. Blacks in the US, Chinese in China, Arabs in Iran, Irishmen and others give the Jews some competition in that vein.

I agree that Jews, as well as all deeply religious people, place their religion above their citizenship. But I see that as only a problem when their religion contradicts the government. Sharia law, for example, very much contradicts the US Constitution. You cannot be devoted to both. I am not aware of any Jewish or Christian conundrum of any significance, although conflicts could arise. Omar is certainly making every effort to create such.

So now I have to assume that you are not merely a national pseudo-socialist, but actually a white Christian national pseudo-socialist.

Although by your description I would classify you as a “capitalist humanitarian constitutionalist”.

The idea that socialists have anything to do with humanitarianism is pure 100% propaganda and lie. Socialists are extreme hypocrites that CAUSE the extreme economic imbalance that you are noticing. They use capitalism in socialist ways so as to create monopolies that give them power (just look are your cities of San Fransisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York - all socialist run). Does that describe you?

I suppose. I simply have no faith in the masses or mob-mentality “ruling” things. Politics is dominated by emotions and fear-mongering, and that is one of the worst possible ways to Govern/Lead a society.

That seems confusing. You say that fear mongering (fascism) dominates politics and is the worst way, but you claim to be a fascist at the same time?

I think Modern USA and Western Civilization have skewed so far “Left”, that simply wanting to be among your own kin(d), your own ethnicity, your own race, is “Alt-Right” or “Far-Right”, when it should be common sense and “Centrist”. I don’t mind ‘tolerance’ of ethnic and racial otherness, but what occurs today, as of 2019 is ludicrous, ridiculous, and simply unbelievable.

In almost every commercial/sitcom/move nowadays there is an underlying message that homosexuals are good, women are strong heroes, and race-mixing is good. The Media is too powerful, and too fake. Liberalism is tolerable in small doses, but not when it saturates 99% of the market.

USA is divided down the middle. 50% of the Country (conservative-right) want to return to the White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant establishment and colonial era. The other 50% of the Country (liberal-left) want to push the extremes further and further, normalizing sexual debauchery, gay sex, transexuality, race-mixing, and everything else that “upsets” the other side. To me, that reeks of Resentiment, when your pleasure comes from displeasing others. Furthermore, inserting such ideas and debauchery into schools and children at younger and younger ages, is going to lead to a disaster, and some claim, that disaster is already occurring.

USA is at a cross-road, it can rear-back now, or things may quickly become violent. I’m not sure yet where the mass will go. It’s the “choice” of 300 million individuals.

Maybe “Autocratic” is a better term. Fear-mongering is just a generalization. Almost every form of government has elements of manipulating peoples’ fear. It maybe necessary in every system.

If I were in charge, I would like to lead people in a way less reliant on manipulating fears, and something more toward hope and aspirations, inspiration. A noble society.

The deep state socialists have been forced into the light. Now they are desperate to conquer the last standing constitution, yielding them total global hegemony.

That is the way of social manipulation of the masses. And that is why voting becomes irrelevant once socialists take over. Everyone becomes merely a reflection of their propaganda programing. The voting merely tells the ruling class who needs more programming. China is doing exactly that to the expected extreme already, using every bit of technology available to subdue and program the perfect citizenry.

I would certainly favor that, but what did you have in mind?

I want to re institute a Prussian military order, which empowers individuals to be spiritual warriors, adapting to the 21st Century and the future. Something secretive so that mainstream couldn’t get to it, Exclusive. It would have to gain access to technology, and I think, eventually focus needs to be given to getting off of Earth. I don’t think there is any room for freedom, on Earth, for self-expression or social integrity. Globalists want to infiltrate any and all groups that pose a threat to hegemony. Any truly aristocratic, modern group, that has honesty and integrity, would be targeted. So secrecy is the only means to create such a group, until there would be areas to retreat to.

Until space exploration opens up, there’s not much that can be done to resist the status-quo.

I suspect that you are already a couple of decades too late.

Concerning the history of both democracies and republics they’ve only existed a few hundred years compared to thousands of years of non-democratic nations. In my opinion modern democracies and republics will collapse in on themselves where this young political experiment will ultimately fail where non-democratic governments will once again be the norm.

I believe fascism can exist without slavery and I don’t desire a colonial or imperial form of fascism. I’m all about a nationalist form of fascism that focuses on domestic social activities only.

In my socialism there are still economic classes and divisions of labor but at the same time my government would promote the dignity or integrity of each class affording them a livelihood deserved for every human being. I’m a collectivist also which means all citizens working together in concert for one higher national purpose.

I also believe that the wealthy need to be regulated and heavily supervised by the state to make sure they don’t disrupt the national social harmony or general welfare of the people. I believe in harsh and capital punishment for those that disrupt society for their own individual gains. I’m very much a social collectivist and have nothing but disdain for individual greed or corruption. I take a very hard stance against radical individualism.

I’m all about unifying people and collectivism, especially in an a very aggressive manner if need be to accomplish this goal. As a national socialist and my racial beliefs this purely means for ethnically racial white Europeans. My focus is purely for ethnically racial white Europeans.

As I’m a collectivist I would seek to eradicate radical individual feminism by a set of social policies and legislation. My political philosophy revolves around a strong commitment to traditional large conservative families. I am definitely pro family and marriage. This would help with the abysmal fertility and birth rates of ethnically white Europeans. I seek a white European population revival.

My national socialism is pro white working class meaning the government’s mandate would be to protect the social integrity or dignity of the working classes economically. I believe in a bottom up approach to this in modelling rather than a top down. The central state would act as a political vanguard to make sure there are no abuses of power from the top. This is why I prefer a sort of political non-democratic constitutional fascist state.

The objective would be to create a highly functioning and efficient central state where people’s social happiness is maximized so much for the majority that most people would feel no need or desire in rebellion to begin with added with a highly patriotic national fervor. If a majority of people’s needs are met and they’re happy they won’t even care about living under a dictatorship. There would be a sort of national happiness index that would take priority equally with that of the national productive economic index as one would not supercede the other.

I got to go to work soon where I’ll finish this conversation later.

Today’s capitalism is all about empowering and enriching a small percentage of the population at tremendous cost, neglect, exploitation, or disenfranchisement of a majority of people. That is why capitalism like its Soviet Union predecessor will collapse also. We see global capitalism right now collapsing with things like a negative yielding bond market, endless debts, endless deficits, and financial quantitative easing. Today’s capitalism is completely unsustainable.

While neo-liberal capitalism outlived the Russian Soviet communist model by only a few decades it is in its last death throes currently. I disagree with your overall assessment of capitalism Obsrvr.

If you have any more questions on economic policy we can go into that.

Well according to the marxist lite democrats we white nationalists are the most dangerous terroristic threat in the West right now which is hilarious for many reasons.

Muslims? Yeah, they pose a threat concerning terrorism within the west no doubt about that but in many ways endless wars throughout the Middle East attacking their people isn’t helping resolving all issues with them. Supporting apartheid Israel isn’t helping either.

Jews are just as bad as Muslims but with them they wage deceptive coordinated silent wars along with propaganda ones in a very subtle way of sabotaging others overtime. Because of such that makes them all the more dangerous than Muslims. Muslims are very predictable, Jews are not.

Actually I’m not Christian at all, I adhere to a kind of spiritual paganism. I don’t really like Abrahamic religions of any kind. I’m not a fan of Christianity, Judaism, or Islam.

As I keep reminding you while I identify as a socialist I am not a Marxist or democratic one.

“A nation of spaghetti eaters cannot restore Roman civilization!” - zeronito sumolini

Here, let me help you out.

The United States is on the verge of financial, economic, political, and existential collapse. The future undoubtedly will be a violent one with a clash of civilizations, philosophies, economics, and politics taking place. It’s inevitable at this point and there is no stopping it. A very exciting time to be alive.

But what about lasagna eaters? Do they get a pass?

Donald Trump: same clown, different makeup.

My social, political and economic philosophy is basically a synthesis of the two.
I’m a national social democrat as opposed to an international social democrat.
On society, I’m in favor of some libertarianism, more conservatism and nationalism (the ingroup/majority first, insular) and no progressivism and globalism (outgroups/minorities first, outsular).
On government, I’m in favor of democracy.
On the economy, I’m in favor of some capitalism, more socialism and no corporatism.

I’m pretty live and let live, but insofar as government intervenes in our personal lives, it should be to help us make healthier choices, as opposed to say, helping an 8 year old cut his junk off.
I look at LGBT the way I look at alcohol and marijuana, like you should be free to do it, but it’s nothing to be proud of, having a traditional family is, and keep it away from kids.

I think women should have as many rights as men, not more like they do now, but I also think most kids will be better off if the mother stays home while the father works, if financially feasible (and that’s where reducing taxes and introducing supplementary income for the working class comes in, as well as increasing taxes and ending corporate welfare for the upper class, nationalizing the central banks and putting the banksters in jail).

I also think we should stop immigration from non-white countries, deport all illegals and refugees, and encourage some nonwhites to go back to their country of origin.

On science and medicine, I’m in favor of more alternative and DIY science and medicine.
I think science and government are hiding a lot of things about health and the nature of reality from us.
They want to keep us dumbed down, misinformed and sick, that way we’re easier to manage and profit off of.

On technology, I think we’ve picked all the low hanging fruit sort of speak, what’s left is either presently out of reach, unripe or poisonous.
I think tech should help preserve and protect what we are and evolve naturally, rather than transform us into something we’re not.
It should enhance and supplement our lives, rather than substitute or replace them.
Tech exists to serve humanity, not the other way around.
We have to be more careful with how we proceed technologically, not try to fix what’s not broken.
We got the wrong idea about tech.

That being said, I’m in favor of CO2 and global warming, the globe isn’t warm enough, but as I’ve said elsewhere, I’m against 5G, geo and genetic engineering, nanotech and apprehensive about Ai.
CO2 is a nutrient, it’s either a boon, not a concern or the least of them, but I am concerned about unnecessarily dumping toxic chemicals, the endangerment of species, unnecessary deforestation and scientific meddling.

Basically I’m a populist and for a healthier, more sustainable civilization.
I want to put the people, both as individuals and the white working class majority (our backbone) first, as opposed to the elite or minorities first.
I’m a populist because why the hell would I put others ahead of me and my people?
That’s masochistic, servile and suicidal.
It doesn’t mean I don’t care about others, it just means I prioritize.
Let’s spend most of our resources on us, and if we have a little something leftover, then perhaps we can help others.

There’s no such thing as an antipopulist or unpopulist democracy, both elitism and pluralism are unpopular and undemocratic, populism and democracy are synonymous.
Our elite want to do the very opposite, promote the interests of themselves and minorities at the expense of ours as individuals and the white working class majority, as well as promote disease, death and conduct radical, reckless and unnecessary scientific experiments on a massive scale.
I’ve come to realize the elite aren’t just selfish, they’re anti-human and anti-life.
In all honesty, I’m not even sure they are entirely human.

I’m an agnostic and pretty secular, but insofar as government intervenes in our religious lives, it should be to promote white paganism.
Christianity at its core is Zionist, and I’m not a Zionist.
Israel and Jews have proven time and time, and time again they are not an ally.

Right, the alt right is diverse, perhaps more so than the alt left.

I want to add this movement is international, it isn’t being lead by Donald Trump.
There is Maxime Bernier in Canada, Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, Nigel Farage in Britain, Marine Le Pen in France, Matteo Salvini in Italy, FIS in Poland, Viktor Orban in Hungary and other political leaders as well as thousands of writers, speakers and organizations around the world.

In the anglosphere, it tends to be more libertarian capitalist, in continental Europe more conservative socialist, but it’s never liberal or progressive corporatist.

What unites them all is nationalism as opposed to globalism by conquest or globalism by consent, whether it’s a weaker civic nationalism or a stronger white and/or Christian nationalism, as well as a deep-seated and well-founded suspicion of and antagonism towards the social, political and economic establishment, especially of course but certainly not limited to the liberal or progressive establishment.

The 1950s and early 60s were sort of the peak of Americanism.
We had a good balance of capitalism, socialism and less cronyism.
We had a good balance of libertarianism and conservatism and no liberalism or progressivism.
Our immigration policy was designed to keep us majority white.

North America, the EU and Australia are unraveling.
If they don’t change course soon, they’ll collapse within the coming decades, and with them, much of the rest of the world.
Balkanization, (civil) war and poverty will ensue.
Zero Sum is right, Fascism and Nazism fell in the 40s, Communism in the 90s and in my estimation, Americanism will fall before 2050 if we don’t radically reverse trajectory.

I think the die is already cast. The Liberal-Left-Progressivism has no reason or cause to rear-up, and won’t be stopped except by force. They can’t be reasoned with, because there is no function in the American education system, that teaches or educations reasoned recourse or logical dialogue. It’s not about logic, anyway. It’s about feeling. And that feeling anymore is: microaggressions, toxic-masculinity, being offended, and de-platforming. It’s less-and-less about really coming-together to work out differences, to lob infammatory comments and libel, from as far away as possible. So the bottom-line is, the extremists will keep pushing the limits until something breaks. And the “divisiveness” of the country is demonstrating this. There maybe a lot more ‘divisive’ presidents to come, before any ‘unifier’. Unity of what, and why?

Does America really want to “Unify” with Transexual-Education of 5-year-olds, and teaching generations to come, that you can be “any gender you want”?

The fact that the Democratic Party doesn’t rebuke this outright, and entertains, “well maybe we can step this direction”, symbolizes how disparate “Left and Right” have become.

To liberals, I would pose this question as well, are you going to teach your 5-year-old child that gender is “fluid”, or aren’t you?

@Gloominary: The EU is unraveling because they got greedy, and Farage’s remit is pro Britain not pro white, as the UK encompasses Commonwealth countries, who are all about pro Britain/the Commonwealth countries. We like to keep it simple, not complicated… there’s no need.

We are a country, not a Continent… unlike the US… big difference.

The US is more at a pivotal point in its history than any other nation in the world, fact! They need to resolve this, before they can progress. There’s always a way forward.

The last half millennium has been interesting.
From the discovery of the Americas in 1492, to the end of the British empire in 1997, to today, the world witnessed the ascendency of whites and their civilization(s) and is witnessing their descendency.
First we colonized the Americas, then Australia, then Africa.
We became the most numerous, powerful and prosperous race on earth.
Now our numbers, both absolutely and relatively are declining, as well as our power and prosperity.
We went from colonizing the world, to decolonizing it, to entering a new age, an age of reverse colonization that began in 1965.
Whites forsook their values, adopted anti-values and are allowing themselves to be genocided.