Pascal's Wager is brilliant!

I read your post. It only talks about Christians.

Who gives a shit if Jesus rose from the dead?

If it’s the wrong God/religion, then it’s the wrong god/religion.

Pascal’s wager has nothing to do with Christianity, you are absurdly confused here.

It has to do with a person specifically named “god”

I’m know of 5 resurrection stories of the “great spirit” before Jesus was even born, they’re well known… Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Chinese etc…

Why is Jesus the one you choose ?

What if Jesus was the Devil trying to trick us ?

I mean like, honestly, how smart do you really think you are about the mechanations of the spirit world?

Apparently, you think you are so smart, that you think that your EXACT mind is the most perfect one to win Pascal’s wager.

You’re delusional.

You are ridiculous. You keep repeating the same objections and I’ve already addressed them.

Keep re-reading my posts and stop asking the same questions that I’ve already answered.

As has been pointed out to you, this is a philosophy forum, and your last post just lost you the title of being a philosopher.

My posts not only addressed your posts, you’ve never once addressed the “atheist having a purer good than a theist” argument, the reverse wager.

Even ignoring that, you can’t even handle debate on your own turf. At least iambiguous pulls that one off somewhat.

I’ve been here the entire thread.

It’s always an honor to have people (read: listen) to you, yet, you insult me for this, tell me to keep rereading you.

I don’t think you realize two things:

You are wrong

How blessed you are to have people read you seriously and reply seriously

I insulted you because you’re unable to read or comprehend anything. You keep repeating yourself like some type of idiot.

I’ve already addressed the “many gods” objection that you keep repeating.

Stop repeating your same questions and read my posts.

I did reply to them, I spoke of resurrection gods thousands of years before Jesus was even born.

Stop telling me that I’m not reading, responding or replying directly to your posts.

You’re delusional if you think I’m not doing this.

Those gods do not have the same amount of evidence that Jesus does. I stated that before. I urge you to study the evidence yourself.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying-and-rising_deity

In many of these other cultures, writing was more commonplace than in the Jewish world, we know for a fact the the New Testament was written 100 years after Jesus death, these other stories were most likely written contemperaneously.

You’re actually speaking in person to a resurrected person. It’s not extraordinary. It just happens to occur at times.

I bet he was an educated guy, I’ll even grant that he could have been as smart as any man living today, which would only make it even easier to dupe the uneducated masses of the time with his stories.

Is marytrdom a measure of veracity? More like a measure of tenacity.

If I were to lay down my life for Bigfoot or a flat earth, would that throw into question the truth of the propositions that such things existed in reality? Or more to the point - should it?
The way that cognitive biases work in humans, and things like “the backfire effect”, is that people tend to double down when a flawed interpretation is challenged or contradicted - whereas I’m sure you’re aware of those conformity experiments like Asch’s 1951 one that shows how people often conform away from the truth when the consensus is different. Perhaps Saint Paul was not one such person, and immune to cognitive biases, but even granting that, given the nature of what he was claiming to be true - is martyrdom the most of his worries? Martyrdom has been a common theme for the religious, and the heaven they believe they would be rewarded with for their staunch beliefs - there’s grounds to argue that they were often seeking it, or at least hardly fearing it. Cult members die for truths they believe even today: dying for something is no evidence for its truth.

Mohammad gained a lot of power for his claims - whether true or false. Joseph Smith got laid loads for getting people to believe in his claims.

The Matrix hypothesis is unfalsifiable. We can’t prove any percent likelihood either way. The same is true for religion: even if Jesus was a real person who really was executed and subsequently rose from the dead, this wouldn’t prove he was the Son of God, or that either Old or New Testaments were true, or that God was true. Out of all kinds of possible explanations, we know that people have been thought dead but actually not been, from exhumed coffins showing claw marks on the inside from the person trying to get out, for example - a horrific fate if there ever was one. But I’m saying even if there was the faintest causal connection between these events and God’s existence, the only real falsifiable proof is have a way to directly test God’s existence empirically. Stories and scholars pondering on their veracity is just as doubtful as whether we live in the Matrix as it is doubtless - I remember an amusing observation that so few historical documents historically and geographically proximate to the stories in the Bible mention the small fact that the literal Son of God was born. Just a small oversight perhaps.

Pascal’s Wager is as compelling as the Heaven’s Gate claim that wearing uniforms and nike shoes, with $5.75 in your pocket will carry you off on a comet to heaven if you kill yourself at the right time. I don’t find such a thing to be brilliant.

Lol no.

Jesus was crucified around 33 A.D.

The four canonical gospels—Matthew, Mark, Luke and John—were probably written between AD 66 and 110.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel#Composition

That’s very recent in terms of ancient history. You really need to read a history book.

The key word in your link is the word PROBABLY, before almost every sentence.

Have you ever read work on how all the gospels contradict each other?

Yes. The contradictions are minor and prove the Gospels were reliable because if they were lies, the Gospel accounts would all be the same.

coldcasechristianity.com/tag/bi … adictions/

For every apologetics you have, I can find a more persuasive anti:

infidels.org/library/modern/pau … tions.html

This is the Information Age after all.

Eyewitness evidence is the most unreliable form of evidence there is so if that is the foundation upon which your belief rests it is not very secure

Then why do courts allow for eyewitness testimony?

If you met 500 people that claimed to have seen a man at lunch, would you believe them?

True. That’s why we have Pascals Wager. :slight_smile:

We know that the reverse wager is more true than Pascal’s wager, which still! !!! You haven’t addressed here!!

Like I stated before: echo chamber

There is no evidence for your reverse wager, so it’s easily dismissable.

It’s true by definition and pascals is not.

That’s all the evidence you need.

Forensic evidence is far more reliable than eyewitness testimony which is very unreliable in multiple ways
Even where witnesses are absolutely certain they can still be wrong and their claims may be hard to falsify

Lol no. You have no evidence.