Plans for a religion

As much as I am in awe of the Buddha himself, and as much as Zen is a powerful philosophy and way of life, there is this issue, that remains unaddressed if you don’t have some psychology at your disposal.

What is this one thing

Well, it is called the satiation pushback crux.

We all know that prince Siddharta was the former name of the Buddha, before he became the Buddha. Before he sat down and renounced all his wealth.

Now, consider. If it wasn’t Siddharta, but a son of a very poor and sick old farmer, and he was having a tooth ache on top of his poverty.

Say he, too, sat down and like Siddharta, thought: Screw it, Im gonna renounce all my worldly conditions.

What would have happened.

Would a supreme bliss have come over him, too?

I find that highly doubtful.

What Siddharta relinquished and renounced was his to renounce.

He was sexually satisfied so he had comparatively few ego issues. He has known what is means to eat more than you can desire so he had little neurosis about food. He had known great wealthy families so he knew very well the happiness that wealth does bring as well as the type it doesn’t bring.

She he was, by his wealthy past, already set free from desires.

He renounced, by default, being creative. He could have been India’s Shakespeare or Davinci. Your point is great, but I want to take it further. He turned away from himself and the world, and in the end, for no good reason. I have sympathy for his choice, but it came down to a kind of self-hatred. However much discipline and genius when into that self-hatred.

Yep. That is also an approach with much truth.
I wasn’t going to say anything about California but now I should.
Because in California, Zen and Buddhism as well as Yoga and such related philosophies (Buddha was from India, no?) are all very popular, world-renouncing is all very popular, except among the 90 percent of people struggling to stay afloat.

I was in Upper California for a time as well as Oregon and Washington and there were a lot of Buddhistic people there that I met on my trails. And all of them owned their houses and even built them on their own plots of land, beautiful stuff.

This extends all the way to the Big Tekk and Big Street playaz. They all have their meditation rooms and Pilates-coach. This is what they do with their wealth. They make it enclose them so they need to renounce it in their thoughts.

What instead if they were Da Vincis or Shakespears? Then maybe they would give some of their wealth to lofty projects which fertilize the earth, and enrich the population of it, rather than renounce it to experience some pleasure.

Because the science of pleasure that comes from the Hymalayas has been developed to great efficiency. This is the screwed up part. Nirvana is extremely pleasurable so once you taste it or even smell ir or even hear rumours of it, it makes you covet.

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Let’s talk about transpersonal experience:

Intead of saying the ego is bad and the light is good,
let’s talk about transcending good and bad.
It took a long time to build a self;
now you must transcend what you’ve made.
You must update your inner parts.

Transpersonal is that which is beyond the self.
When the self is reasonably complete,
it’s time to master what is beyond the personal.

You realize that the univese is infinite.
It’s transpersonal.

Imagine living inside of a motionless bubble.
You need to exit that bubble in order to reach
a different, distant bubble.
Each bubble is a self.
Each individual that works beyond a single self,
is transperonal.

Eventually the self reaches so far,
to so many, that it becomes like an infinite force.
The bubbles of existence can become
very many. It forms into deities eventually,
sometimes. Most deities are transpersonal,
and old. With enough time, that which was
small, can become great.

Sometimes all that we need is safety.
Safety is a very important thing for
developing beings. One guy in the forest
wont last long. But when there is a lot
of people working togehter, things can
reach a higher level of this or of that.

Our existence is a lot like a layered sphere.
But it can reach beyond itself, more and more.
Relocate the ego, don’t destroy it.

On the other hand, practicing a religion doesn’t usually take much work, unless it’s a cult that demands 100% devotion.

“The difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of real estate involved” - F. Zappa

Religion is wobbling to a thought.
It is actually what stands at the threshold of the duality of causality in Spinoza that Promethean just talked about. It is neither thought nor thing, but it is a thought that substitutes for a thing and a thing that substitutes for a thought.

Yes, participation demands are low, in general, these days. If you start a new religion, it probably pays to up the ante, demand some committement. You want to have effects on the people, so they must be engaged a lot. And you want passionate proselytizers, iow people who will be engaged a lot. Opening a new kind of church, saying, see you on Sunday from 10-12 and that’s it, is probably not going to catch on. Down the road you can include the weekend religious.

I think the cult - leader should be a voted threesome, every (Jupiter-) year all ILPers who subscribe to the religion vote new leaders. Then in a great feast we consecrate these leaders and drink some beer and kick some ass. Then we can just go home and be proud of ourselves.

Not a good cult leader post. A cult leader would tell us who the three people are, you being one of them in this example, and then enticing with proclamations, consciousness tools, earth changes lists…some juicy charismatic stuff.

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Here is another podcast idea.
I did not make a text version yet.

howtostartanllc.com/business-ideas/campground

I just found out about this idea.
I want to set up an ultra cheap camp.
Later i can upgrade it.

Oh okay you want tyranny and lies do you.

I guess that will leave one seat empty. I don’t think we are the place here, for tyranny and lies, if you want that.

Excellent plan really. Would it be in the Canada or the USA?

Thanks for taking the trouble to explain.

Oh, no. Another cult that won’t let me be a member.

Canada, for now.

There could be a daily session, if people want it.
Teach and learn. We each get up to 30 minutes to
explain an idea or a teaching, then we share it and talk in a circle.
This kind of activity will be based in votes.
It could be philosophical, or theological, or spiritual. Something practical.
We can even share videos we found online as a group.
There would be a lot of potential.

Id Probably want more learning and teaching than 30 minutes haha. That’s a good idea though. Community functions through diversity are necessary to grow and not remain or be biased.

Maybe others will also want more than 30 minutes.
If that is the case, they can increase it.

Andrew and Dad’s version of independence+privacy rejects my idea of a camp set up.
I will not throw away one of my most hopeful ideas.
It saddens me to see them not realizing a great opportunity.

Dad lets Paige live with Andrew on uncle’s house for free.
But he would not offer me a free home also.
This is unfair. Someone is possibly insane.
All of that land, and home space, not being used or rented out.