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Posting why consent is constantly violated other than sex

Postby Ecmandu » Fri May 03, 2019 10:24 pm

In posting why consent is violated other than sex; The answer is: it's the sex.

Now… this post was deleted a month after it was posted. I figured this out by trying to link to it and using the search engine "ecmandu involuntary aversion" zero results. This post and all the responses for it were deleted from ILP.

In defense of my argument that all heterosexual sex is rape, someone only need do a really easy internet search to find out that multiple high profile and respected FEMINISTS have been arguing this before I was even born. This is not a rape is OK post!!

> The evolutionary psychology gold is sex dimorphism, rape dimorphism,
> and weapons and combat training dimorporphism all combine to give
> females, relative to males, involuntary discomfort for sexual
> signaling of any type, like when the eyes involuntarily blink when a
> bug flies by them.
>
> This means that the male and female subconscious interprets female
> acceptance to male sexual signaling as a "no" for all first and
> escalative approaches.
>
> When a male crosses this line with sexual signaling, the male is sending a signal to the species, "I
> don't care about the first no"
>
> If the female accepts him after this, she is sending the signal that
> "no means yes"
>
> This "no means yes" is interpreted a rape by the subconscious mind.
> It is taken out upon each other and the environment.
>
> What's further understood by the subconscious mind is that had the
> world been taught better about human sexuality at its inception, the
> world would be a better place, and because all sexual selections would
> have been different, nobody alive today would have ever been born.
>
> Psychologically, people argue against all of this reflexively, that
> 100% of all human sex has been rape, to maintain their narrative of
> meaning and purpose.
>
> The 5 Stages that a Sex dimorphic species must traverse to not
> contradict itself.
>
> In a sex dimorphic species, one sex is larger and more threatening
> than the other gender.
>
> If it's not the individual, it is the whole… a 5 foot man approaching
> a 7 foot women is still more threatening (his other friends), because
> the sum total of men are stronger and more threatening. If for some
> bizarre reason, men and women decided to go to combat against each
> other, men would kill all the women, they would win that war.
>
> Because of this phenomenon, when men approach women with the same
> approach a women can use for a man, the women will show more
> discomfort than the man will, from minute discomfort, to extreme
> discomfort. Where a man may look in disgust and say "go away", the
> women will call the police, or get a bunch of her male friends to get
> the guy off her. For the same approach, women are always more
> uncomfortable than a male.
>
> What this means as a whole, is that women have a "no" for first
> approaches. This may not be true of all women, this discomfort for
> being approached, but, since this is so extremely rare, this forces
> the man to play mind reading games about female consent, which can
> lead to very dangerous situations, making him believe he is the
> special exception which reads the vibe better.
>
> So the rule, is "No" for all first approaches from a male to a female.
>
> This rule also applies to all children, as they are dimorphic as well,
> compared to adults. It's a "no" for first approaches.
>
> But it's not only the first approach that matters. It is the
> escalation that matters as well. If a women turns to you and smiles
> and holds your hand for the first time in an intimate way. Leaning
> over to kiss her, is an escalation of first approach. This is also
> mind reading, "the vibe"… every stalker on earth or inappropriate
> person is feeling "the vibe". Vibe is almost universally abused, as a
> mind reading game, and is not an excuse for escalation.
>
> The problem here is that any behavior that is ornamental or escalative
> from the male side, is already turning a "no" into a "I don't care
> about the no". If an escalation is used and it turns into something
> more, then the female is sending the signal to the entire species,
> that "no means yes"
>
> This is where the first stage comes in:
>
> Everyone who has violated the 5,5,3 rule, needs to split up, or never
> make sexual contact until the 5 stages of a sex dimorphic species are
> cycled through. Otherwise it's just a "no means yes" relationship. The cycle is not complete until women no longer show relative aversion to sexual signaling, which biologically could very well take 100 generations.
>
> The second stage is to create intentional communities of about 1000 to
> 3000 people to work on the other stages.
>
> First approaches must be 100% from the female side. This means NO
> ornate male behavior.
>
> Sex distribution ratios need to be equalized between the sexes. The
> largest aggravation on the male side is that women are only having sex
> without about 2% of the male population before they settle down with
> somebody. For men, it is non consensual that women even have sex with
> these
> men, but it's vastly more non consensual to men that only 2% of men
> get almost all the sexual contact with women.
>
> The next stage is that the sexes can start to approach at a 50% to 50%
> ratio, with males only using direct approaches and not ornamental
> approaches. Now this entire time, females can use ornamentation and
> homosexuals can as well (they have no sex dimorphism which causes the involuntary relative aversion). An example of a direct approach is saying
> "would you like to go out with me on a date?" An example of an
> ornamental approach is watching a sports game on television or wearing
> sports memorabilia to show your dominance to a female, your
> aggression.
>
> The 5th and final stage is now that the species has been made aware of
> the damage of "no means yes" for all heterosexual bondings, males can
> finally start to use ornamental behavior again.
>
> The problem with the subconscious being aware that all sexual
> encounters are rape "no means yes" is that men take it out on women,
> society, other men and the environment at large.
>
> If everyone is trained to use better communication for better outcomes
> sexually as a global community of intentional communities, then we can
> expect nothing less than better outcomes in all areas of our lives
> here.
>
> It is important to note that the number one use of ornamental behavior
> in men is that contradicting of ones self. If someone contradicts one
> self through many layers of encryption, the female brain interprets as
> base code "He said he doesn't exist, but he's still here! He must be
> God!"
>
> ------------
>
> The 5 heartbreaks of relationship
>
> 1.) If you've ever been hurt by not being in a situation that someone
> else is, when you get to that point and it hurts someone else,
> somewhere in the back of your mind is a self hatred for doing to
> others what hurt you.
>
> 2.) If someone is attracted to a person you are with, it may make you
> feel superior, however, the idea that the person you are with would be
> with them the way you're with the person your with, causes fear ,
> defensiveness and anger. The anger is actually at yourself. The
> reason it's at yourself is because you share the attraction to one
> person in common with them, to be angry at them for being with the
> person you're with, is the same as being angry at yourself for being
> with the person you're with. This causes self hatred. This is
> avoided if people follow the step of evening out the distribution
> ratios between the sexes.
>
> 3.) Depending upon the person, millions if not billions of people
> could be equally or more compatible in an exciting and different way
> than the person you are with. One love does not outweigh millions if
> not billions of heartbreaks in terms of the loss
>
> 4.) I call this is commiseration heartbreak. When we love something
> or someone, we are compelled to share it without harm, so that we can
> commiserate with others in a bonding way about that love.
> Hoarding a relationship, doesn't allow for this bonding to occur. And
> causes the 4th heartbreak of relationship.
>
> 5.) The fifth heartbreak is that you don't have relationship in the
> way you desire.
>
> --------
>
> The three objectifications:
>
> Large Penis
> Tall
> Money
>
> --------

Money here is the most important.

>
> The three abuses: The three abuses are used to circumvent the three
> objectifications, they are MORE powerful in terms of what females
> consider consent !!!
>
> 1.) proclivity to marry: ownership psychology (this is MY husband or MY wife) /celebrations of the zero sum
> nature of ones reality (which is the antithesis of all that's good that occurs - "Im the only winner for this partner and everyone else lost!" /victor mentality, antitrust contract(making
> someone say what they're going to say and to forever, instead of
> simply trusting them))
> 2.) sexual jealousy (if a woman has sex with another man, she will
> leave you if you're not angry at her or the man she slept with)
> (conditions men to be sexually jealous)
> 3.) approach escalation: Women have said no to all escalations - so
> any escalation that turned into relationship is a no means yes
> relationship.
>
> There is one more part to explain:
>
> If a male puts out to the universe, the cosmos, "I want a wonderful
> woman", he has approach escalated ALL females in the cosmos, which
> means he's not allowed to have sex with any of them, whether they
> approach him or he approaches them. (I made this mistake 25 years ago
> and have to live with it). My only options now are a female more
> powerful than all males combined in existence, a planet going through
> the 5 sex dimorphic stages before they meet me, or philosophic zombie
> worlds, marionette worlds (using philosophic zombies), hallucinating
> ones entire reality from eternal forms, or hyper dimensional mirror
> realities. Women can put out to the cosmos that the man they approach
> is their wonderful man, but they cannot put out to the cosmos that
> wonderful men approach them. They cannot ask a man verbally to pursue them.
>
> A man must explain all of this to a woman, and abide by it all, and not have asked the
> cosmos for her before she asked for him, and she must comprehend all of it, in order for their
> relationship to be a yes means yes relationship.
>
> what's interesting about the subconscious mind, and everyone on this
> planet who sees men and women holding hands and laughing, knows deep
> in their psyche, that the woman is laughing at her rape and with her
> rapist, who enjoys raping her. This causes many minds to snap. Snapping is not an option.
>
> I'm teaching you very deep secrets about this world and how to bring
> lasting peace to it, I hope you consider these teachings well.

All of this explains the cause of rape culture, and how to cure it.
Thus far, every man on earth and woman is a supporter of rape culture.
To not provide these teachings, is an omission which perpetuates rape
culture as well.

I'll give a very brief teaching on how men contradict themselves to
work towards being with a sexual partner.

Flashing the peace sign:

This causes three functions to process simultaneously in the subconscious:

1.) I am the embodiment of peace
2.) The world at large is peace as it is
3.) "They know what its about"

number three is a directive as a goal, not the present state.
However, since the subconscious processes all three, that means 2/3rds
of the processing for the signal is self contradiction (I don't exist,
but I'm still here). This level of abuse will draw females to a male
as putting himself forth as an aggressor.
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Re: Posting why consent is constantly violated other than se

Postby promethean75 » Sat May 04, 2019 1:56 am

dude. it's very simple. the libido is one of the strongest instinctual drives. this was okay for 100,000 years... then something significantly changed. we formed groups, began making civil contracts, and agreed on a few basic rights. the problem was, we did not experience a sweeping biological change as fast as we experienced our intellectual revolution... so the ape in us had serious issues with all this new 'civil' stuff. so you might say that the history of modern civilization involves a very, very disproportionate conflict between... well you could even use freud's 'id and ego' model here to get the idea. everybody wants to fuck, but modern man with his contracts and rights and prohibitions has frustrated this fundamental desire to the point of creating neurosis (which you have, btw)... which then diffuses itself through all manner of nervous expression.

there's nothing 'deep' about this matter like you think there is, and it's really quite comical. that the animal man would evolve much faster than he was prepared to do, and that when he finally realized what a frustrated disaster he made himself, it was too late to turn back. he couldn't unevolve himself, so now he waited patiently for the necessary biological change to occur which might rid him of his outrageous libido. until that moment, he finds whatever he can to discharge that energy in a way that is not prohibited.

the comedy begins when we notice the extraordinary effort a man will make to simply get laid. just about everything he does is in some way toward the end of getting laid. he'd rather just knock a chick over the head with a club and drag her back to his cave... but we stopped doing that 20,000 years ago, and he can't stand it. so modern man is that internal war between the inner ape and the new, moral man with all his bullshit contracts , agreements and rights. this will be the story of 'modern man' until either some biological change occurs to calm the libido, or he devolves into an anarcho-orgy.

think about how many dudes are jacking off at this very moment. millions. billions even. that's ridiculous. not in a 'omg existence is terribly wrong' way, but rather a 'holy shit what happened?!' way. it's just one more piece of evidence proving what a joke life is, en masse.

but you're making this problem much bigger than it is. you've turned this insipid little issue into some profound thesis, and it doesn't deserve that much. we're talking about something as simple as it is comical. think about what sex is, dude. a male puts his reproductive fluid delivery system into the space between a woman's legs, and then thrusts back and forth.

just do this for a moment, if you can. pull up some porn and look at it. but don't look at it while in jack-off mode. instead, distance yourself from the image and look at it as if you were an alien observing some strange species. what do you observe? some of the silliest looking shit you have ever seen. these two naked hairless bipedal mammals pumping and grunting on top of each other. wtf are they doing?! well they're mating. it's how they reproduce. nothing to see here.

see what i mean? it's because we can't have an objective, disinterested perspective on sex that we get all excited about it. we live in a world that is selling sex in everything from the movie theaters to a windex commercial (she's always got to be super hot... can't just be some ordinary house wife). fuck man, i've been watching porn as long as i could remember. i used to break the old man's playboys out after school everyday and whack off before he got home. and ever since i've been subsumed in a world that has conditioned me to lust after women. but when i step back for a moment and really think about what has dominated my entire life - the drive for sex - i can see just how silly it all is. i mean yeah, i'll always want it, but in lieu of the fact that i recognize what i want - to put my tube stick between some chick's legs - i'm suddenly seized by the absurdity of the precedence i place upon the problem of not getting laid... and i opt to just jack-off rather than write a thesis about it.
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Re: Posting why consent is constantly violated other than se

Postby surreptitious75 » Sat May 04, 2019 3:22 pm


That is an excellent post promethean but I do not think Ecmandu will take much notice of what you have said
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Re: Posting why consent is constantly violated other than se

Postby surreptitious75 » Sat May 04, 2019 5:02 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
My only options now are a female more powerful than all males combined in existence or a planet going through the 5 sex dimorphic stages before they meet me
or philosophic zombie worlds marionette worlds ( using philosophic zombies ) hallucinating ones entire reality from eternal forms or hyper dimensional mirror realities

Women can put out to the cosmos that the man they approach is their wonderful man but they cannot put out to the cosmos that wonderful men approach them
They cannot ask a man verbally to pursue them

A man must explain all of this to a woman and abide by it all and not have asked the cosmos for her before she asked for him and she must comprehend all of it in
order for their relationship to be a yes means yes relationship

You have another option which is simply to meet a woman and get to know her over time and then form a relationship with her like any man would
But first you need to remove all that ridiculous pseudo philosophical baggage you are carrying around inside your head - its doing you no good at all

Women put nothing out to the cosmos and some of them may want a man to pursue them - they do not all think the same no more than all men do

No man has to explain all that to a woman - not even you have to - that is just what your mind is telling you to do

You are simply projecting all your anxieties on to the rest of the male population - some of whom are in very good relationships
This is a problem specific to you Ecmandu - no one else - so instead of projecting why are you not doing something about it man
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Postby Ecmandu » Sat May 04, 2019 9:04 pm

Oh, I saw what promethean said.

Promethean denies the subconscious mind, just like you surreptitious, the subconscious mind is fully aware that every male to female sexual relation in this species is filtered as "no means yes"

Once you take responsibility for the signal you are projecting to the cosmos, you stop abusing the subconscious as well.

You two are still trying to justify rape. It is unjustifiable.

Promethean just shrugs it off as "well the species is too young to care about consent"

I'm not. Am I not a member of the species.

I am a walking punctuated equilibrium of the baser desires of this species.
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Re: Posting why consent is constantly violated other than se

Postby surreptitious75 » Sat May 04, 2019 10:08 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
the subconscious mind is fully aware that every male to female sexual relation in this species is filtered as no means yes

This is demonstrably false as it treats all male to female sexual relations as exactly the same as each other when they are entirely separate
As it does not account for the fact that every mind is free to think for itself so not all men will think the same no more than all women will
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Re: Posting why consent is constantly violated other than se

Postby Ecmandu » Sat May 04, 2019 10:28 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:
the subconscious mind is fully aware that every male to female sexual relation in this species is filtered as no means yes

This is demonstrably false as it treats all male to female sexual relations as exactly the same as each other when they are entirely separate
As it does not account for the fact that every mind is free to think for itself so not all men will think the same no more than all women will


Oh sure, the conscious mind that lies like a theif every moment of everyday, will say, "but this is the love of my life!! There's no consent violation here!!"

But they can be proven as "no means yes" sexual relations, regardless of their protests.

Like every other species, we are a rape species.

All we did was to make it slightly more sophisticated.
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Postby surreptitious75 » Sat May 04, 2019 10:43 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
the conscious mind that lies like a thief every moment of everyday

They are more unique and complex than that and should not be treated as a monolithic entity
As we are not machines but human beings and what makes us so are our own individual minds
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Re: Posting why consent is constantly violated other than se

Postby Ecmandu » Sat May 04, 2019 10:49 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:
the conscious mind that lies like a thief every moment of everyday

They are more unique and complex than that and should not be treated as a monolithic entity
As we are not machines but human beings and what makes us so are our own individual minds


The "no means yes" signal blares like a siren for nuclear war. It is monolithic, not because every instance requires approach escalation because of involuntary aversion from women as to first approaches, but because the ones that aren't, require mindreading tactics, the same tactics used by 99.999... of the rest of the population.

It's still interpreted as rape.
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Postby surreptitious75 » Sat May 04, 2019 10:55 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Like every other species we are a rape species

All we did was to make it slightly more sophisticated

This is what your mind is saying to you but while you think it is true it is actually false
Since why waste time on making it slightly more sophisticated if that is all it really is
But I00 000 years of existence has resulted in us no longer thinking this is acceptable
It is representative of our moral evolution that is always an eternal work in progress
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Postby surreptitious75 » Sat May 04, 2019 11:04 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
The no means yes signal blares like a siren for nuclear war. It is monolithic not because every instance requires approach escalation because of involuntary aversion
from women as to first approaches but because the ones that arent require mindreading tactics the same tactics used by 99.999... of the rest of the population

No mindreading capability is required as both body language and actual language can be used instead
The no means yes signal scenario can therefore be easily avoided by observation and communication
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Re: Posting why consent is constantly violated other than se

Postby Ecmandu » Sat May 04, 2019 11:06 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:
Like every other species we are a rape species

All we did was to make it slightly more sophisticated

This is what your mind is saying to you but while you think it is true it is actually false
Since why waste time on making it slightly more sophisticated if that is all it really is
But I00 000 years of existence has resulted in us no longer thinking this is acceptable
It is representative of our moral evolution that is always an eternal work in progress


I'll say the same thing.

You really don't want me to be me as you are...

You are extremely fucking blessed that my higher power is non contradiction.

If you took THAT off the rails...

You're just trying to get laid, or defend your past sex as non rape. That's not possible.

Let me explain this to you very simply...

You don't want to know.
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Re: Posting why consent is constantly violated other than se

Postby Ecmandu » Sat May 04, 2019 11:08 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:
The no means yes signal blares like a siren for nuclear war. It is monolithic not because every instance requires approach escalation because of involuntary aversion
from women as to first approaches but because the ones that arent require mindreading tactics the same tactics used by 99.999... of the rest of the population

No mindreading capability is required as both body language and actual language can be used instead
The no means yes signal scenario can therefore be easily avoided by observation and communication


Too many people misread body language ...

Are you the one exception to the rule that the whole species should forgive ??? No!!!

Because anyone who knew this, wouldn't use body language (flirting) anymore!!

So you're not the exception to the rule, you're a rapist.
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Re: Posting why consent is constantly violated other than se

Postby surreptitious75 » Sat May 04, 2019 11:21 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
Too many people misread body language

Are you the one exception to the rule that the whole species should forgive

Where there is any ambiguity with body language then direct communication will suffice
It doesnt apply to me because I am celibate and so forgiveness is not something I require
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Postby surreptitious75 » Sat May 04, 2019 11:25 pm

Ecmandu wrote:
You are extremely fucking blessed that my higher power is non contradiction

You dont actually have any powers as that is just your mind convincing you you do
Even if you did have non contradiction it would not be a power but more of a tool
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Re: Posting why consent is constantly violated other than se

Postby Ecmandu » Sat May 04, 2019 11:30 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:
Ecmandu wrote:
Too many people misread body language

Are you the one exception to the rule that the whole species should forgive

Where there is any ambiguity with body language then direct communication will suffice
It doesnt apply to me because I am celibate and so forgiveness is not something I require


Ahh.. not teaching what I'm teaching here, even of celibate, requires atonement.

That's why I'm working my ass off to give every being hyperdimensional mirror realities ...

Not sinning (atoning) is not enough, you have to make sin impossible ...

I could walk off the stage right now and say "fuck all of you, I atoned". But I refuse to, it's not in my makeup.
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Re: Posting why consent is constantly violated other than se

Postby Ecmandu » Sun May 05, 2019 4:21 pm

I want to add to this after going off the rails, which I am want to do on occasion ...

This isn't just about me, as has been stated earlier in the thread, it's actually about you.

Women always show, at a minimum, micro expressions of relative discomfort to men for sexual signaling. Men want to get laid so badly, that they ignore the micro expressions. Any relationship from here in out is defined by the subconscious (which does see the micro expressions) as a "no means yes" relationship.

Female aversion relative to men, is biologically wired. They have no choice here.
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Re: Posting why consent is constantly violated other than se

Postby MagsJ » Sat May 11, 2019 7:46 am

Moved to P&M..

Now… this post was deleted a month after it was posted. I figured this out by trying to link to it and using the search engine "ecmandu involuntary aversion" zero results. This post and all the responses for it were deleted from ILP.

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