We do not live forever as conscious beings and there is no such law
When entropy reaches its maximum state everything will be dead including the Universe - thats real cosmic law not the metaphysics you believe in
Nature doesnt treat human beings any different simply because some of them want to live for ever - the Second Law Of Thermodynamics says no
If existence (or continuity of consciousness) ever ceases to exist, then we couldn’t exist right now, as we are a subset of the superset
Artimas, I’m not trying to be a hardass to you.
My spiritual teachers have taken me to the sentencing of infinite hells to teach
It’s not amenable to text or spoken word to explain this.
I also live with that perspective.
I get somewhat agitated when people are as cocky as I was back then, which you certainly present as in some of your content.
Avoid using analogies especially ones as bad as this
You dont need to send satellites into space to know that Earth is a sphere - Newton calculated this over three centuries ago
But there are still Flat Earthers today despite Newton and even more convincingly the satellite evidence that is undeniable
So, you disagree with me by agreeing with me?!?!
How convenient that you cannot describe these infinite hells that really only exist within the confines of your mind
Its not amenable to explanation as it is so much easier to say nothing as that conveniently avoids any contradiction
But the pain is existence itself as well through decay. So isn’t it also a constant, the pain can be lessened or heightened through ones conscious choices but never truly fully eliminated.
Do you believe it can be fully eliminated?
What if I am in hell as well as you and I perceive it differently?
But the flat earthers perspective can change to one who values choosing to begin working on how to become one who does send people to satellites, but only through struggle and acceptance or knowledge.
No because the analogy is still wrong anyway
There is no way that you can provide evidence for something which only exists in your mind
You cannot photograph an imaginary concept from space like you can photograph the Earth
Surreptitious,
Umm… wow dude.
You’re off your game here.
I literally argued that people who’s job it is to send stuff to space have zero luxury to believe the earth is flat.
And your responses ???
Honestly! They’re almost gibberish.
You’re flinging mud only for the sake of flinging mud.
This is not a response to what I wrote
Hell does exist but only as a psychological or a philosophical aspect of the human condition
It does not therefore exist in a metaphysical sense - its a state of mind not an actual place
Yes. Here’s where we’re bumping heads. I 100% agree that it can be fully eliminated
How? By never letting it manifest? Cutting the snakes head before it becomes dangerous?
Human beings can very easily convince themselves of anything if they really want to
So they are under no obligation to accept anything if it contradicts their world view
Denying reality is very easy for some while for others like myself its really impossible
You guys,
This isn’t going anywhere.
I have two people arguing just to argue, that they have signed an agreed contract to have their consent violated —
Good luck with that shit
You cannot fully eliminate suffering in whatever form it takes
Suffering is part of existence and a fundamental law of Nature
The most obvious manifestation of this is that all living things eventually die
While it is impossible to avoid death it is however possible to avoid the suffering caused by fear of death
This is one way in which psychological / philosophical suffering can be reduced - although not eliminated
Controlling suffering - wherever possible - is how to contain it because it is going to be present in some form or another - always
You quoted me out of context.
Suffering cannot be eliminated in a reality where more than one person is sentient in that reality.
I signed no contract I was born into this reality and have no choice but to accept its rules
Whereas you introduce concepts that are not a part of this reality such as imaginary hells
They only exist within your mind and nowhere else as does your notion of consent violation
This is the reason why this isnt going anywhere because you are not making any sense at all
This is absolutely true but I would also say that it cannot be eliminated at all
The goal should be to accept it while trying to contain it as much as possible
I am leaving this thread Ecmandu as its too frustrating engaging you man
You make zero sense and its just not going anywhere so I am out of here
I wasn’t saying that you were, apologies for any lack of clarity on my part. I simply used a different example to show that it was a category error.
Let assume right here that this was suffering and that is was necessary. This does not preclude wanting suffering to end or entail that this is irrational or impossible.
Again, back to the slave child…