Guide wrote:The soft tyranny of absolute mediocrity must be noticed, so as to overcome the sense that there is not a problem.
Just as the student of earthquakes, the seismologist, labors under the difficulty of a hopeless science, which scarcely attempts to stop earthquakes, but rather is satisfied to predict, European, now planetary science (e.g., technology as the burgeoning of the cybernetic [self-regulating system, to so-called intelligent system]) never attempts to shut itself down. But, as science, it studies its own doings as an abiotic menace to human beings. What is worthy of our notice is how human beings, in every part of their social life, education of the small children to adult "lecture" series and so on, are the blind support of European science or technology, and how, at the same time, the subject of this work is their most extreme peril. Thus the human being as technologist or scientist so-called makes its fate and is made by it's rapturous promise which threatens and beckons forth.
Guide wrote:You're missing the point, it has to do with bounding thought wreaked by the state. We have idiots, for example, trying to sell imbecile, obviously false, science dogma to the public through matching it with art. To popularize the very thinking that is stultifying their own, and your, feeble minds. One must stop indoctrinating the young in this bunk prejudiced and thoughtless state metaphysics which has no appeal to reason. Actively excludes reason and leaves it to private existentialism and the ad hominem, i.e., the rule that forbids humans to take their own views and insights seriously under the notion that they are "subjective", thereby destroying the possibility the human individual, passing them off to the sophistry of the university meaningless and non-existent world of the formal "argument".
You are fucking stupid as hell because of these four hundred years of propaganda and indoctrination. You're so moronic it doesn't make an impression on you that you have had twenty years of education and that it had an effect! That is a kind of brain death. A very great effort is needed to exercise your mind.
Agree nearly entirely.Guide wrote:You're missing the point, it has to do with bounding thought wreaked by the state. We have idiots, for example, trying to sell imbecile, obviously false, science dogma to the public through matching it with art. To popularize the very thinking that is stultifying their own, and your, feeble minds. One must stop indoctrinating the young in this bunk prejudiced and thoughtless state metaphysics which has no appeal to reason. Actively excludes reason and leaves it to private existentialism and the ad hominem, i.e., the rule that forbids humans to take their own views and insights seriously under the notion that they are "subjective", thereby destroying the possibility the human individual, passing them off to the sophistry of the university meaningless and non-existent world of the formal "argument". You are fucking stupid as hell because of these four hundred years of propaganda and indoctrination. You're so moronic it doesn't make an impression on you that you have had twenty years of education and that it had an effect! That is a kind of brain death. A very great effort is needed to exercise your mind.
Guide wrote:The end of the distinction between human beings and artifacts, and between laws and nature, is often pouring over our feet lavishly like a strange evening glow, remembered long after the night has settled itself.
Just as the student of earthquakes, the seismologist, labors under the difficulty of a hopeless science, which scarcely attempts to stop earthquakes, but rather is satisfied to predict, European, now planetary science (e.g., technology as the burgeoning of the cybernetic [self-regulating system, to so-called intelligent system]) never attempts to shut itself down. But, as science, it studies its own doings as an abiotic menace to human beings. What is worthy of our notice is how human beings, in every part of their social life, education of the small children to adult "lecture" series and so on, are the blind support of European science or technology, and how, at the same time, the subject of this work is their most extreme peril. Thus the human being as technologist or scientist so-called makes its fate and is made by it's rapturous promise which threatens and beckons forth.
" but isn't that what we sign up for, when we sign up to higher and further education in our chosen field? "
"I think the description is fitting, and it is caused by the afterglow of a de differentiation or, a hidden intentional try at controlling the possibility that science is bound to produce a new state of being, with very little areas of self determination, curtailing human freedom. That it is hidden , appears to support the argument that it is a naturally derivitive process, congruent with the idea that appear to mimic (copy)tramscemdentally reductive theories."
"Could you explain what you mean by this part...
Guide wrote:" but isn't that what we sign up for, when we sign up to higher and further education in our chosen field? "
Our most powerful education starts before any schoolroom. In the family. When we grow into being human. Our parents effected by their educations, even in the first years of their (obligatory state) schooling, or, most of all then. Who can deny ("weak") "epigenetics" (of course, the stronger kind is also admitted these days) in the sense of the inheritance of the learned thing in the Reaction Norm (calculable result of environment and genes)? Ergo, the alteration of the organism through immediate environment starting from birth? However, on a less clear level, since the whole of the account of biology is learned, a profound ambiguity opens out.
You made no decision. You might, in principle, to remain in the current thinking. However, strictly speaking, to know you are in a indoctrination is to be outside the hoop. You surely do not know. Intelligibility is not conscience knowing that produces living insight. This is something wholly different (from mere intelligibility of the thing said in a sentence). It, however, might be educated. This is my first ethical recommendation for us all.
MagsJ wrote:Guide wrote:You're missing the point..
Have you ever thought that I just simply have a different mentality to you?
"Was I ever in the hoop?"
Guide wrote:"Was I ever in the hoop?"
I think you are. Just as the person grown up in Mao's China who assumes, as in past one did that the earth stood still, that Nationalist monsters are lurking, with their seedy faces, all about. Or, the cannibal, who never dreams of regarding cannibalism as something scandalous. Worldview means something conscious, a science. Growing into being a human is much earlier, before even a schoolroom, comes from our parents. When one works a way out, through long paths in thought, one looks out of the hoop, while being in it. Anyway, there is not much to say to one such as you.
Guide wrote:Subversives are immersed in the public attitude of their fellow humans and obstructed by their desire for a future. Any future is already an obstruction to being. This is in a way obvious, but it is not genuinely noticed by the sham "subversives" with their clothes meant to signal their opposition from the core of their cultural bloc and so forth.
Guide wrote:You have no ability to think. Mere blather deserving of contempt.
According to Heidegger, this is the historical conjuncture that bore witness to the triumph of 're-presentation,'
the thinking of being as 'world picture': the hardening of metaphysical speculation into a calculative technology of
'enframing', in which being (including Dasein [being-in-the-world]) has been reduced to 'standing reserve.'
Guide wrote:You are infinitely out of touch with reality.
promethean75 wrote:rosa lichtenstein wrote:
On Heidegger the silly old fart:
Practically every sentence this charlatan (Heidegger) ever wrote was metaphysical (as well as being incomprehensible).
Exhibit A for the presecution of his 'disciples':According to Heidegger, this is the historical conjuncture that bore witness to the triumph of 're-presentation,'
the thinking of being as 'world picture': the hardening of metaphysical speculation into a calculative technology of
'enframing', in which being (including Dasein [being-in-the-world]) has been reduced to 'standing reserve.'
Apart from the minor fact that it is complete bollocks, is this a scientific claim?
No
Does it claim to provide a priori knowledge of the world?
Yes.
As I said: metaphysical.
Into the flames with it.
Please do not post any more of this sub-standard tripe; I want to hang on to my breakfast a bit longer.
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I suspect he needs to re-read Wittgenstein, and throw Heidegger in the trash.
I am afraid I have to agree with Hume on this one: into the flames with it.
Metaphysical drivel.
I only posted this since it seemed to confirm my negative view of Heidegger.
An even better book about Heidegger (which exposes him as a philosophical plonker, and his 'disciples' as idiots) is Paul Edwards's book Heidegger's Confusions (Prometheus Books, 2004).
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Throw all of traditional philosophy onto the bonfire, beginning with Heidegger. That will do for starters.
A priori, dogmatic guff I am afraid, from that Nazi charlatan.
On the other hand -- perhaps I was wrong about burning it all.
Yes, on second thoughts, burning is far too good for it...
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Unless you need to read up on this for a college course, I'd advise you to steer clear of epistemology in its entirety. Not one single problem has been solved in 2500 years, and we still do not know what a solution would even look like.
And definitely steer clear of Heidegger, unless you want to be bamboozled by an out and out charlatan.
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I honestly do not know why anyone bothers with that charlatan Heidegger; I suggest that unless you have to (to pass acourse at college, or whatever) you do not waste your time with that jargon-meister. He's even worse than Hegel. At least Hegel was not a charlatan.
He no more means anything by the term 'Being' than did Parmenides who invented the term (by nonimalising a perfectly good verb) -- a trick that Plato and subsequent philosophers perfected.
[On Heidegger, I am not the person to ask since I would not touch his work with someone else's condom-covered barge pole.]
Heidegger was a dumbass compared to Frege.
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