A Dialogue With Promethean

Fuck, gotta go to work.

Wait, promethean

“since man is an inherently despicable creature”

This is a fundamentally moral position. And if I am not mistaken, moral as in born from a type of pathos akin to resentment.

Look at it like this, if man is in your eyes or heart an inherently despicable creature, you yourself are inherently despicable and your judgment of man and yourself is despicable too.
Im sure you have arrived at this conundrum when you were very fresh to the game and it is now childs-play to you.

But what is your solution to it, how can your judgment be relied upon, by yourself?
How do you hold yourself in enough honour to at least validate your own judgments as being worthy of being pronounced?

Is it not despicable to judge oneself and ones entire kind as being despicable? Or, how does one avoid the despicable aspects of existence once one has pronounced such a judgment?

Unfortunately I do not view you as even remotely despicable, so your theory just isn’t believable to me.

Yes, he probably feels shitty.
When this shitty feeling recurs, becoming a kind of thing in itself, I think it is valid to call it resentment.

Morality hasn’t entered the picture here. As morality is, besides judgments, also about organizing responses. Caveman 1 has no power to come up with a response, let alone invoke a systemic one.

I suppose this is Nietzsches reason for the Eternal Recurrence. An bruteforced inversion of resentment; the recurring image of a great justice, underpinning and pervading existence, based on ones own physiological affirmation of all that ones knows.

The effects of this differ per type;
To become more selective about what one knows, to be compelled to rule, to find a niche in the whole and become a happy criminal, to collapse in dread and retrieve god, to go through ever shifting phases of identity, to be a scientist, or do this

where the original resentment is to be compelled to avenge, to try to interfere with everything, to be an unhappy and unfair law abiding citizen, to disbelieve in any justices and divinities, and to cling on to one phase of existence, to be a hack.

you don’t fool me, jakob milikowski. i know all about you. i know you moonlight as a lead singer for a heavy metal band when you aren’t hanging out with pedro during the day.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM__lPTWThU[/youtube]

I came in to share some thoughts, ended up getting bogged down by shit. But at least I got a straight death threat out of it. What did you get? Snide comments and Judas Priest videos.

You gotta work on your approach.

Anyway, I dunno. I’m as susceptible to resentment as anybody. Like Nietzsche said, it is always the first instinct. All you can do is deny it and let it pass.

That’s why it’s also such a good test.

But as far as owning the resentment goes, I actually respect promethean. He’s what I consider to be a true communist, consequent and dedicated. Not like 99% of them which are weak faggots. An enmity like that is worth having, however symbolic.

Just uh. Well, that’s the amount of respect and honour I can dedicate to him. I do miss Zoot, but if he’s gonna go dark, I would rather he go full dark. It gives me hope. Balls are always more important than being right.

But it is a motherfucking shame he doesn’t see. The gold. The bounty.

FUCK communists. Give me pirates.

As long as we’re on the subject though, and to tie it all up with the Limbaugh videos I opened with.

The problem today, the task, is one of economy of nervous energy. I have come here with some very subtle and nuanced points, very intelligent shit. In some cases they have not been addressed because of simple lack of capacity for such intelligence. But in a number of cases it has simply been because their economy of nervous energy is all fucked up, they got leaks like crazy, investing a shitload in all sorts of sad places. They just don’t have enough free energy to employ on actual intelligence.

You don’t need to uplift humanity’s intelligence. And if a man is a coward, he is a coward, you can’t teach them balls either. The task is rearranging the economy of nervous energy. If they are going to succeed or fail, let them succeed or fail at the peak of their capacities.

The problem or the opportunity?

In the great majority of cases.
This is what I have referred to in the past as aphoristic posts, they aren’t there necessarily for the addressee. This place is a library of perhaps unparalleled aphoristic wealth.

Yes, exactly, this leaking. I saw that image of it too.
they just leak ooze in a non conscious attempt at emptying their suboptimally wired brains.

I don’t need to do anything. I see a resource in the utterly klutzed way the human species has arranged its nervous energies. My ideas are all investment plans, thats what philosophy must be, no?

I agree that promethean is the 99 percent real communist of this whole socialist category here on ilp. He is only topped by Ecmandu and the truly sincere class warriors which aren’t political in their rhetoric but sociological. Zoot has some experience here, even though he lets Marx regulate his interpretation of it.

It is unfortunate how the big narrators usurp what could be more subtle wars.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEefQ78PpCo[/youtube]

they put the Spanish harshly to shame
their screams were heard in Spain
Piet Hein, Piet Hein, his name is small
his deeds are great, his deeds are great
he has won the silver fleet

I take it that promethean is more afraid of reading my posts than yours. In one of the past days I even gave him an opportunity to catch me on an inaccuracy about the USSR but he didn’t catch it. Meaning he didn’t read my posts, I think.

Neither do any of the other fascists seem to actually read my posts.
I take it that reading them in the past has hurt them too much to try it again.

This version of this song gives me so much joy.

It is a children’s song directly from the pirate age, we sang it in school and so, or my grandmother taught it to me, but I hadn’t heard it in decades.

Well, Dutch blood
that blood still has courage
we may not be big, we may not be big
but we would win the silver armada.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MlBoXCZtsM[/youtube]

That just means you have nothing to steal and are too ugly to rape. Ping me when you’ve something to boast about… like working in the hood for years with $1000s of tools and where one misstep would break your neck… and doing it because you want to, not because you’ve no other choice. Then maybe you’ll have an instance of bravery to brag about.

Pedro I Rengel,

Do you mean to say needing to “feel” right though we may not be?

But isn’t “truth” and “right action” the real incentive for their use?
Otherwise, they are just a way to show off, ego, and to be reckless for no good reason, except as a catharsis and to rid ourselves of angst.

Perhaps you are just speaking of playful, picayune stuff.

i’m sorry, did you just say ‘picayune’?

don’t do that, arc. only guide uses words like that and you see where that got him. this man is going to give himself a heart attack trying to teach us anything. do you want to be that smart and stress yourself out trying to educate rabble like us? i didn’t think so. next time use a synonym that’s been used in this century in something other than a great american classics anthology, please.

That really made me laugh out loud. Thank you for the elephantine advice. I shall keep your warning in mind and I so greatly appreciate your looking after my physical and emotional welfare, promethean.

It must be such a relief for you to not uphold the rules of grammar. :evilfun:
That alone might stress me out just a wee bit. Impeccability or insecurity - probably just more of the same picayune stuff.
:mrgreen: