The thing about resentment, also the reason Nietzsche said it took so much nervous energy, is that it can only work as a raison d’être, when it is indulged in life becomes about it, it is the primary reason.
There is no logic to this. No morality or ulterior explanation. It is just an instinct, far predating any such thing as logic or morality.
People really do overestimate the power, as well as correspondence with reality, of logic (never to mention morality). You have gone as far as noticing it does not live up to the claims of the logicians, but then you go into a sad Wittgensteinean loop. Just come out with it already, reality hurts, the wind is cold. But it is full of the real stuff, the riches. Say hello to the world.
no prob, and perfectly understandable. i don’t usually write to be understood. that’s one of my greatest fears, for the reader’s sake.
i’m usually not one to go bothering with etymologies, but i’ve done so as a favor to you so you can be given the opportunity to be right in at least one of your posts. so psychologists are catergorizing resentment as part of a set of basic emotions, along with fear, anger and disappointment. btw, it’s saying the word is of french origin. anyway, the subtle difference between these three basic emotions mentioned is that resentment includes an element that doesn’t need to be present in the other two emotions of fear and anger.
resentent is a kind of anger with the addition of the perception of some kind of unfairness. but there is no concept of ‘fair’ until there are more complex social arrangements in place. and these, in turn, require some comprehension of a morality… which is nothing more than an agreed upon set of social norms and consequences for violating these norms.
now what i’m trying to explain to you is that, as an immoralist, i am unable to experience resentment (because nothing is fair)… much less ressentiment, but this for other reasons too; i am incapable of envy and hatred. the former because i have enough, the latter, because hatred is too strong a word to describe a disposition toward what is inferior to me. contempt, but certainly not hatred. contempt is a kind of disgust with a dash of pity. hatred contains in it a dash of fear.
wait wuh? where did that come from? don’t say that man, because you know how it reads to me. it says “here is a guy who has very little grasp of logic and is frightened by the thought that a vast majority of what he might say could be nonsense.” don’t make me think that, man. please. we were doing so good.
of course one never claimed that logic explains anything. anybody who’s ever told you that doesn’t know what logic is. logic is just a tool for analyzing languages according to rules, some of which are conventional, others of which are ontological (these would include aristotle’s principles of formal logic, for example). it’s the language that ‘explains’ stuff, not the logic.
but that was cute. unintentionally dodging the fact that you might find logic a little unsettling, and then pretending as if i’m the one who is afraid of ‘the hurtful reality and the cold wind’. heh heh. grin
if you realized how much we aren’t able to clearly say about world, you might find it to be much colder than you originally thought. but this is a secret between wittgensteinians, not philosophers. shhhhhh.
Pshhh, I kick almost anybody ass with logic. Maybe that’s why I actually have a realistic appraisal of what it is. I’ve seen you ramble on about W, don’t play with me, foo.
Again, it is not a feeling of injustice. I guess those psychs were trying to find a good word, but it is admittedly hard to find. You describe the feeling beautifully in your first post on this thread though.
Caveman 1 has no need to have any notion of justice, and therefore injustice. But the fact remains. Ol’ 2 beat him down and took his cave. He feels SOMETHING.
This is a fundamentally moral position. And if I am not mistaken, moral as in born from a type of pathos akin to resentment.
Look at it like this, if man is in your eyes or heart an inherently despicable creature, you yourself are inherently despicable and your judgment of man and yourself is despicable too.
Im sure you have arrived at this conundrum when you were very fresh to the game and it is now childs-play to you.
But what is your solution to it, how can your judgment be relied upon, by yourself?
How do you hold yourself in enough honour to at least validate your own judgments as being worthy of being pronounced?
Is it not despicable to judge oneself and ones entire kind as being despicable? Or, how does one avoid the despicable aspects of existence once one has pronounced such a judgment?
Yes, he probably feels shitty.
When this shitty feeling recurs, becoming a kind of thing in itself, I think it is valid to call it resentment.
Morality hasn’t entered the picture here. As morality is, besides judgments, also about organizing responses. Caveman 1 has no power to come up with a response, let alone invoke a systemic one.
I suppose this is Nietzsches reason for the Eternal Recurrence. An bruteforced inversion of resentment; the recurring image of a great justice, underpinning and pervading existence, based on ones own physiological affirmation of all that ones knows.
The effects of this differ per type;
To become more selective about what one knows, to be compelled to rule, to find a niche in the whole and become a happy criminal, to collapse in dread and retrieve god, to go through ever shifting phases of identity, to be a scientist, or do this –
where the original resentment is to be compelled to avenge, to try to interfere with everything, to be an unhappy and unfair law abiding citizen, to disbelieve in any justices and divinities, and to cling on to one phase of existence, to be a hack.
you don’t fool me, jakob milikowski. i know all about you. i know you moonlight as a lead singer for a heavy metal band when you aren’t hanging out with pedro during the day.
I came in to share some thoughts, ended up getting bogged down by shit. But at least I got a straight death threat out of it. What did you get? Snide comments and Judas Priest videos.
Anyway, I dunno. I’m as susceptible to resentment as anybody. Like Nietzsche said, it is always the first instinct. All you can do is deny it and let it pass.
That’s why it’s also such a good test.
But as far as owning the resentment goes, I actually respect promethean. He’s what I consider to be a true communist, consequent and dedicated. Not like 99% of them which are weak faggots. An enmity like that is worth having, however symbolic.
Just uh. Well, that’s the amount of respect and honour I can dedicate to him. I do miss Zoot, but if he’s gonna go dark, I would rather he go full dark. It gives me hope. Balls are always more important than being right.
As long as we’re on the subject though, and to tie it all up with the Limbaugh videos I opened with.
The problem today, the task, is one of economy of nervous energy. I have come here with some very subtle and nuanced points, very intelligent shit. In some cases they have not been addressed because of simple lack of capacity for such intelligence. But in a number of cases it has simply been because their economy of nervous energy is all fucked up, they got leaks like crazy, investing a shitload in all sorts of sad places. They just don’t have enough free energy to employ on actual intelligence.
You don’t need to uplift humanity’s intelligence. And if a man is a coward, he is a coward, you can’t teach them balls either. The task is rearranging the economy of nervous energy. If they are going to succeed or fail, let them succeed or fail at the peak of their capacities.
In the great majority of cases.
This is what I have referred to in the past as aphoristic posts, they aren’t there necessarily for the addressee. This place is a library of perhaps unparalleled aphoristic wealth.
Yes, exactly, this leaking. I saw that image of it too.
they just leak ooze in a non conscious attempt at emptying their suboptimally wired brains.
I don’t need to do anything. I see a resource in the utterly klutzed way the human species has arranged its nervous energies. My ideas are all investment plans, thats what philosophy must be, no?
I agree that promethean is the 99 percent real communist of this whole socialist category here on ilp. He is only topped by Ecmandu and the truly sincere class warriors which aren’t political in their rhetoric but sociological. Zoot has some experience here, even though he lets Marx regulate his interpretation of it.
It is unfortunate how the big narrators usurp what could be more subtle wars.
they put the Spanish harshly to shame
their screams were heard in Spain
Piet Hein, Piet Hein, his name is small
his deeds are great, his deeds are great
he has won the silver fleet
I take it that promethean is more afraid of reading my posts than yours. In one of the past days I even gave him an opportunity to catch me on an inaccuracy about the USSR but he didn’t catch it. Meaning he didn’t read my posts, I think.
Neither do any of the other fascists seem to actually read my posts.
I take it that reading them in the past has hurt them too much to try it again.
It is a children’s song directly from the pirate age, we sang it in school and so, or my grandmother taught it to me, but I hadn’t heard it in decades.
Well, Dutch blood
that blood still has courage
we may not be big, we may not be big
but we would win the silver armada.
