The defamation of socialism

One either has love or socialism.

I wrote some more but this captures the essence.

Anyone who lets go of socialism does so out of love.
Ive seen this happen several times. Witnessing it is among the most wonderful experiences one can have, like I would imagine seeing the birth of a star.

Yes, time to let go of socialism and embrace our love of the servitude, suffering, and impoverishment of our fellow people for our own selfish gain.

Gain wealth forgetting all but self!

I actually think a better strategy is to work on the self-interest of the wealthy. They actually feel worse also. In societies where the gap is huge all parties feel more stress. This doesn’t necessarily prove socialism is the best, but pure free markets have lower quality of life at all levels.

That’s an acceptable loss to them so long as it means a relative difference in wealth. Remember the baby video?

Around 10:25

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Actually I don’t think they are aware of it. I think they are running on automatic pilot and assume they will be happier with more. I don’t think the guilt trip is every going to work, for two reasons. Most of the rich will view it as the best possible solution - through some kind of trickle down proccess and/or they earned it, it is justified fantasy. They have been rationalizing this for a long time, and the emotional stakes are enormous. Two, the true elites, the ones who frame the debates, do not give a fuck about anyone. I think many rich do, but not the true elites. They have no empathy and actually enjoy being cruel. Shaming them will fall on deaf ears and they in turn will keep spewing out justifications to the other outsider rich to compete with your guilt trip. But if you can show many of the still human rich that they are actually hurting themselves and they will not be as happy in those huge economic gap societies - which research actually shows to be the case - that might make them notice their own experience in new ways and consider changing.

Right, they are not aware of it, just like the kids are not aware of it.

It’s not the rich I’m worried about; it’s the poor. The rich are, have been, or will be coddled which generally works against the backwards thinking.

The poor are the problem.

The rich want to raise their own taxes for the public good, but the poor will not let them.

The rich control lobbying, both parties, the media. I find it hard to imagine they cannot manipulate the poor into being positive about taxing the rich. And of course the rich can always pay extra. There certainly are some rich who are willing, but not most, not a majority. Or it would happen.

That’s a good point, but I’m unable to identify these people. Warren Buffett and Bill Gates are the richest and are trying to raise their own taxes. The Patriotic Millionaires are trying to raise their own taxes. You see in the chart that people making $100k+ want to raise their own taxes.

It’s probably that politicians know that proposing the raising of taxes is political suicide and not really a matter of lobbying. The rich could try all they want, but the voters would vote them out.

The poor uneducated people are the problem.

that is entirely correct, and it’s marxism 101. the lumpen proletariat and/or the working class without conscience or interests. but there is a new specter haunting the first world countries… and that’s the millennial generation, a generation that is not as susceptible to the forces of indoctrination that have held the prior working class generations under the yoke. the old conservative minded ‘backward masses’, as marx called them - the epitome being that good 'ol boy in the pic you posted - are slowly, and finally, dying off, to make way for a more progressively minded working class. atheism is on the rise, environmental conscience is on the rise, attention to poverty and famine is on the rise, and all matters that demand radical new approaches to governing the world. one of the seeds of capitalism’s own destruction is just this new dawning age of humanism and enlightenment; the forces that once kept the backward masses under the yoke no longer wield the power that they once did. we aren’t seeing the conservative working class stock we once saw prior to the 21rst century… who were born already thumping a bible and ready to work a 9 to 5 cuz they gwine go up to heaven if they do the right thing. it’s over for these knuckleheads. we’ve got a new and improved working class not so easily fooled, see, and there’s no more philosophers to cook up some bullshit to keep em brainwashed and obedient. everything that capitalism relied on to keep it’s machine in motion is dying. smoke em if you got em, boys.

Woot! :obscene-smokingjoint:

They have one more card to play: Biden.

Biden will merely increase the scraps, then business as usual.

Trump is toast, but Biden scares me.

and ya know, that’s another thing that’s slowly increasing the momentum of working class awareness. the lumpen proletariat class has gotten so bad in the last three decades- increasing government spending on social welfare programs - that the productive proletariat is about to buckle under the weight he’s carrying. not only the capitalist parasite, but also the jobless, homeless, skilless, useless lower classes that his taxes must pay for. fuck man, this means the worker is being exploited twice, and he still manages to keep his nose to the grindstone and ‘get her done’. i gots nothing but love for em. but you see what’s happening. workers are becoming smart to that shit, man. startin’ to notice something’s amiss. that old divide and conquer tactic of the capitalist; split up the working classes and then let their government take care of the trash while they plot and plunder under the protection of the free market.

niggas don’t get to be bums in a socialism. everybody gets a job, and you fuckin’ do it, or else.

twists stalinesque moustache

… and like, i don’t even care, man. it’s just one of those old habits, something i’m good at, something i have an affinity for. yeah i sympathize with the working class and have been among them all my life, but let’s be honest; i’m a nihilist, lebowski, and i cares about nussing. i suppose it’s just the thrill of the fight that attracts me, and the deeply rooted contempt for motherfuckers who don’t want to work, tryin’ to ride for free. i reckon if there is going to be a fight, it might as well be this one. then let me be that brunette beast, champion and defender of the working class!

let’s do this.

now where the fuck is my hammer and sickle? i put them down somewhere. shit. i can’t remember. kay i walked in the house, put my keys on the tray, passed through the kitchen, and then entered the living room. didn’t i? wait a minute… i went upstairs before i went into the living room. i think. look man, i’ll be right back. (fuck i need to get my shit together.)

FIFY :smiley:

They’re in your pink cadillac under your pimp coat :wink:

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“my one and only goal in life became
the termination of everything that was free and loving. Only I could
realize the true value of loving and expression. Only in my dreams.”

  • The Socialist Ethos in the words of Beto O Rourke

And this is the third example of this not even expressed implicit fallacious argument.

Maybe Jakob is a bot. Repeating itself, not addressing points, ‘expressive’ without being responsive.

Does he pass a Turing Test?

Even weak programs can produce texts. It’s in the interaction with others one demostrates one has a mind.

Conservatives are robots. I tried telling you that before.

They unquestionably obey orders.
They follow lines of code.
They’re narcissistically incapable of learning or feeling shame.
They show up, flag in hand, bright n early at the polls which is why they always always always win runoff elections.

They’re mindless machines.

We all robots, you deteminist, you.

Actually I doubt that applies. My guess is Jakob and Pedro Rengel have a hard time with authority figures and the work world. and that is not an insult.

Conservatives to feel shame, just not about what you want them to in recent posts.

I believe if the universe were rewound, it would unfold differently. The chance it would unfold the same is as close to impossible as possible.

Cops, military = overwhelmingly conservative.

If they were in the military, would they not unconditionally obey any command issued? Of course; honor depends on it.

They walk with their metaphorical fly unzipped and when you tell them, they deny it without looking.

Sure, but calling some people robots, as a determinist, is a bit problematic.

I’m talking about the people you are arguing with. These are not normal conservatives. Jakob, Pedro, etc.

Stoners, conspiracry theorists, garage band members, astrologers…they’d be in the guardhouse or drummed out. And unless they found some IT or gamer company niche or the like, I would bet they earn much less money than their scholastic abilities would lead one to think.

They walk with their metaphorical fly unzipped and when you tell them, they deny it without looking.
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The don’t feel shame about the poor, say. But shame about not earning enough, about nto having the right things, about feeling afraid, about when they are dominated by someone, when their wives leave them. Shame ain’t guilt. The right feels shame all over the place. They aren’t candid about it, sure.

But then the left confuses guilt with love or being good.