Animalism, Earthism

Why won’t the market result in meat prices increasing by itself?
Can it only be selectively trusted to do what is best?
If not in respect of meat, why anything else?

The only way to know would be to let the market try. I can tell you from my own experience, whenever I have encountered unregulated markets there has been an eery accuracy in prices juuust between what is profitable and what is worth paying.

But hey, you challenged Jakob the other day. I now challenge you: do some research into just how many regulations affect meat prices.

My guess? Regions that produce a lot of meat would have cheaper meat, farther away it would be more of a luxury. That’s how it works with cocaine, anyway.

These forests ain’t being cut down without much incentive that is well outside of people competing to buy and sell meat.

His point was that Jakob is calling for regulation and this might not fit with his positions elsewhere. If regulation because the rainforest is so important - a position lefties, you know, those idiotic cowardly scum - are much more likely to hold, what other regulation of free markets might also be moral. What’s the rule? If he holds that, why just with meat and just with considered to rainforests? Why not with other things that affect us or the well-being of the planet. Sillouette on this point has no onus. He is asking a really rather obvious question.

And really… good for Jakob for opening the door. He could have not said this, not been potentially accused of hypocrisy and not had a task to work on. But for whatever reasons this merely looks similar to lefty motivations, but really is not, and he will show this, or it is similar and then why does he close the door to others.

Your beef, :smiley: , so to speak, might be with Jakob on this one.

The world can only go broke if someone else has all the money, perhaps Mars.

We can either redistribute money from the top back to the bottom or the banks will have to print more money. Take your pick.

They can always ease. The BOJ and SNB are buying stocks, and so will the Fed and ECB. Eventually, the governments will own the market. The SNB is major shareholder in Apple and Apple backs the Swiss Franc.

Because fracking added supply and because the USD is getting stronger. Oil is priced in USD.

Green energy = triple the efficiency of fossil fuel.

Lemme guess… you’ll either run and hide (behind a green tree) or unleash the ad homs.

Prove me wrong. Defend your position.

Thank you, Karpel.

I was expecting from him, however, the standard pro-capitalist argument that things like meat prices are how they are because of government regulation, in spite of the market.
I ask therefore, how it is known that it is regulation rather than market that is the cause of only the bad things such as low meat prices, and not the cause of other good things for which the free market is unquestioningly praised?

Yes it’s true that my logos, ethos and pathos are aligned more away from Capitalism than towards it, as somebody who attempts to follow the scientific method I perpetually hold this position open to further evidence and reasoning. This is why I pose questions rather than telling other people how they think as Jakob has been doing lately. I come at least this far with no onus.

I’m not even saying that there should be one blanket rule for everything when it comes to the market - it might be the case that the market is perfect for everything except meat prices…

All in see is socialists jumping to object to an idea about regulation. All I can see is liars and hypocrites with no trace of a heart.

I’ve given up on the godless scum here. I’m just here to express my views, which are always relevant. Because I do have a heart.

All you see. Yes, as is my point.

Okay, so as I suspected you’re just here to vent. Fair enough, that’s your right.

I have no doubt you have a heart, by the way. That much is obvious.

“The world can only go broke if someone else has all the money, perhaps Mars.”

:open_mouth:

These are the guys on your side, Mr. Reasonable.

Holey Guacamole.

“Green energy = triple the efficiency of fossil fuel.”

I need a drink…

“They can always ease. The BOJ and SNB are buying stocks, and so will the Fed and ECB. Eventually, the governments will own the market. The SNB is major shareholder in Apple and Apple backs the Swiss Franc.”

Japanese central bank assets are currently around 300% of Japan’s GDP. The ECB’s assets are approaching 100% of Europe’s.

The Fed is at a still staggering 20% or so.

I know you don’t know what the fuck that means or implies, but the information is not necessarily meant for you.

Looks like concession to me.

FIFY

Why does it scare you?

From Seeking Alpha’s morning briefing:

Upending the industry? The Trump administration is reaching out to the medical industry for feedback on requiring hospitals, doctors and other healthcare providers to publicly disclose the heretofore confidential prices they charge insurers for services. Needless to say, health insurers, hospitals and most doctors will most certainly push back on the proposal. The public comment period will close Friday, May 3.

That’s what fixing a problem, instead of trying to make the state go broke by hiding stupid inefficient buro-vortexes behind ideas and self-righteousness (universal healthcare) looks like.

First you pull a bit at the knot, test the looser strings. Get a feel for how tangled it is.

How do you know?

What epistemological measures are you taking and what are their respective justifications?

Regurgitated can of alphabet soup.

Why do you think the market value of all items in all transactions constitutes basis for the valuing of a currency?

And if GDP is your reference, then which GDP methodology are you referring to? It changes all the time ya know. Is it 20% by 1950 standards or some other standard or today’s standard or which arbitrary number are you freaking out about? How about we just change the numbers to something you won’t freak out about.

A currency is backed by the faith and credit of the nation issuing it. Currencies can only go up or down in relation to another currency, so if they all print at the same time, then how could any fall in value?

Commodities are valued by supply and demand; amount of money supply is not a variable in the equation.

Japan has printed more than anyone, but the yen won’t go down and prices won’t go up.

Chess is a pretty concrete game. Move X leads to certain possible chains of moves, etc.

Here’s one of his responses to a request for which move is best in a particular board position…

It’s an endemic stylistic characteristic of the Satyr spawn and those they socialize with. Not Satyr himself. Or, let’s say, he manages to be concrete and clear also. But a trait of that subculture that flitted around him.

“amount of money supply is not a variable in the equation.”

Lol, I remember a scandal once in Venezuela when a video surfaced of a Spanish economist from Podemos making this point, that money supply has nothing to do with inflation. It was a scandal because that guy was Maduro’s main economic adviser.

Socialist economist… That’s like saying serial killer human rights activist.

“A currency is backed by the faith and credit of the nation issuing it. Currencies can only go up or down in relation to another currency, so if they all print at the same time, then how could any fall in value?”

Gold. Holy moley.

You hearing this, Mr R?