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Animalism, Earthism

Postby Jakob » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:51 pm

In as far as meritable regulations on capital go: I propose that we radically increase the price of meat.
Perhaps ration it so that people can only eat meat three times a week unless they are prepared to pay dearly for it.

We need to reduce meat consumption because the soy planted to feed the fucking cows is the death of the rainforests, to say it in a nutshell.
This all separately of animal suffering.

Profits need to be sustained, otherwise we have chaos, socialism and its automatic mass death and anti-intellectual plague. So just make it all expensive.
"Normal" people dont need meat. People dont need meat. Whole peoples of massively strong Africans eat nothing but rye porridge.

Meat is the best, I need my steaks, but I can easily do a few days without.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Serendipper » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:31 pm

Behold the freemarket capitalist :lol:
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:28 am

Most of this shit can get fixed through less regulation. Like pharmaceuticals, where they label a pill $1000 because they know the end consumer will only pay 10, the other 910 coming from all the toll booths along the fucked up regulation highway. And where does the money to pay the toll booths come from?

Let's save ourselves an encyclopedia. From taxes.

I strongly believe that if you're going to regulate or subsidize or intervene in something, it must always and with strict observance be a purely self serving thing. It's clean. Like in Venezuela they give you free gasoline. If they ended all the regulation that is supposed to achieve something fair or productive and just left that self-evidently self-serving one, Venezuela would become a financial superpower in weeks.

Regulating things with clear objectives and to try to somehow make things better on purpose is like trying to hold a column of dry sand with your hands.

Power is self-serving. Only thus does it provide benefit to anyone.

You said on another thread that capitalists do it for the glory, you didn't really say that but sort of.

Yes, but also for the bitches.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:05 am

I don't like the plan to jack up the price of meat.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:07 am

By the way, the entire world is about to go broke.

https://heisenbergreport.com/2019/03/06 ... andbasket/

This guy hates Trump, but his beyond strict diligence in research gets him an indulgence.

Not the least of the reasons why it is going broke, hidden mega bubbles like the health care industry, and others, which remain hidden only because they A) are "well meaning," protected by the muscly thug that is self-righteousness and B) are paid for by obscure government funds, so nobody realises that central banks can't raise rates because all the liquidity is draining into the fucked up vortex that is a $1000 pill or a highway that reflects back the sun or who knows what the fuck. All the money is tied up. You have to hold big pharma stocks because if you don't you lose money, but the big pharma companies make money from government, from taxes, who make money from consumers and companies... you see the loop. It is not made up money, you can't make up money. It is tied up money. Could go to actual productive places instead of stagnant buro-vortexes.

The cost is fucking inmense. So you "fix" the problem of hard-to-afford-health-care (and other righteous causes) by bankrupting the world. Sure, we all got surgery for a while. But um.

Well, you get it.

I haven't read the first intelligent, high-powered financial mind saying anything other than that central banks can basically never again stop the financial easing. in other words, it is now accepted that states must sustain the financial markets. The obvious problem is that the money doesn't come from nowhere, and the moment something happens to the market, well, you can't ease when you are already in full easing mode.

I forgive Trump when he calls for this state of affairs, because he actually wants to invest the bonanza in structurally strengthening the position of the US (which, need I remind you, is the world's central bank). It's not his fault anyway.

It's these regulation thirsty fucking elitist numbnuts who think people that talk about the real world are just resentful rednecks who need to be given healthcare for free though because... Well, because I gotta be able to feel good about existing thanks to the back breaking of 90% of the planet, I guess. Not feel bad about those unproductive university years. Make actual producers pay them for living.

Oil is being hit super hard because all these oil giants are now having to invest in unproductive "green" (ehemredehem) energy projects. Do you know how much money depends on fucking oil? Pension funds? Government funds? Companies?

It's like requiring that Michael Jordan wear iron shoes because he's an asshole to the rest of the team and if he stops being an asshole the Bulls will win more.

Ideas. Ideas hiding reality and money trails.

Good bye German economy, sweet dreams, happy trails. At least Trump's "isolationism" (which is funny, as actual isolationists exist and he is not one, he is just an "isolate ourselves from the retard socialists) is likely to help the US be among the least hard hit, retain its dominance whatever happens. Even though he will be blamed and probably thrown in jail. He probably read "if."
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:14 am

Anyway, I sound more hysterical than I actually am.

People like MR. Reasonable will always make out alright, as they believe more with their minds and wallets than their misled hearts. That's why I am incapable of losing faith. Gangsters don't let up.

Add to that that Donald J Trump is piloting the USA ship at this crucial juncture, we're gonna be alright as a species.

I saw it all in a vision. Gangstas will inherit the Earth.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Silhouette » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:35 am

Why won't the market result in meat prices increasing by itself?
Can it only be selectively trusted to do what is best?
If not in respect of meat, why anything else?
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:38 am

Silhouette wrote:Why won't the market result in meat prices increasing by itself?
Can it only be selectively trusted to do what is best?
If not in respect of meat, why anything else?


The only way to know would be to let the market try. I can tell you from my own experience, whenever I have encountered unregulated markets there has been an eery accuracy in prices juuust between what is profitable and what is worth paying.

But hey, you challenged Jakob the other day. I now challenge you: do some research into just how many regulations affect meat prices.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:41 am

My guess? Regions that produce a lot of meat would have cheaper meat, farther away it would be more of a luxury. That's how it works with cocaine, anyway.

These forests ain't being cut down without much incentive that is well outside of people competing to buy and sell meat.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:31 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Silhouette wrote:Why won't the market result in meat prices increasing by itself?
Can it only be selectively trusted to do what is best?
If not in respect of meat, why anything else?


The only way to know would be to let the market try. I can tell you from my own experience, whenever I have encountered unregulated markets there has been an eery accuracy in prices juuust between what is profitable and what is worth paying.

But hey, you challenged Jakob the other day. I now challenge you: do some research into just how many regulations affect meat prices.
His point was that Jakob is calling for regulation and this might not fit with his positions elsewhere. If regulation because the rainforest is so important - a position lefties, you know, those idiotic cowardly scum - are much more likely to hold, what other regulation of free markets might also be moral. What's the rule? If he holds that, why just with meat and just with considered to rainforests? Why not with other things that affect us or the well-being of the planet. Sillouette on this point has no onus. He is asking a really rather obvious question.

And really... good for Jakob for opening the door. He could have not said this, not been potentially accused of hypocrisy and not had a task to work on. But for whatever reasons this merely looks similar to lefty motivations, but really is not, and he will show this, or it is similar and then why does he close the door to others.

Your beef, :D , so to speak, might be with Jakob on this one.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Serendipper » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:04 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:By the way, the entire world is about to go broke.

The world can only go broke if someone else has all the money, perhaps Mars.

central banks can basically never again stop the financial easing.

We can either redistribute money from the top back to the bottom or the banks will have to print more money. Take your pick.

the moment something happens to the market, well, you can't ease when you are already in full easing mode.

They can always ease. The BOJ and SNB are buying stocks, and so will the Fed and ECB. Eventually, the governments will own the market. The SNB is major shareholder in Apple and Apple backs the Swiss Franc.

resentful rednecks who need to be given healthcare for free though because...


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Oil is being hit super hard because all these oil giants are now having to invest in unproductive "green" (ehemredehem) energy projects.

Because fracking added supply and because the USD is getting stronger. Oil is priced in USD.

Green energy = triple the efficiency of fossil fuel.

Lemme guess.... you'll either run and hide (behind a green tree) or unleash the ad homs.

Prove me wrong. Defend your position.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Silhouette » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:01 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:His point was that Jakob is calling for regulation and this might not fit with his positions elsewhere.
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If he holds that, why just with meat and just with considered to rainforests? Why not with other things that affect us or the well-being of the planet. Sillouette on this point has no onus. He is asking a really rather obvious question.

Thank you, Karpel.

I was expecting from him, however, the standard pro-capitalist argument that things like meat prices are how they are because of government regulation, in spite of the market.
I ask therefore, how it is known that it is regulation rather than market that is the cause of only the bad things such as low meat prices, and not the cause of other good things for which the free market is unquestioningly praised?

Yes it's true that my logos, ethos and pathos are aligned more away from Capitalism than towards it, as somebody who attempts to follow the scientific method I perpetually hold this position open to further evidence and reasoning. This is why I pose questions rather than telling other people how they think as Jakob has been doing lately. I come at least this far with no onus.

I'm not even saying that there should be one blanket rule for everything when it comes to the market - it might be the case that the market is perfect for everything except meat prices...
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Jakob » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:05 pm

All in see is socialists jumping to object to an idea about regulation. All I can see is liars and hypocrites with no trace of a heart.

I've given up on the godless scum here. I'm just here to express my views, which are always relevant. Because I do have a heart.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Silhouette » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:32 pm

Jakob wrote:All in see is socialists jumping to object to an idea about regulation. All I can see is liars and hypocrites with no trace of a heart.

All you see. Yes, as is my point.

Jakob wrote:I've given up on the godless scum here. I'm just here to express my views, which are always relevant. Because I do have a heart.

Okay, so as I suspected you're just here to vent. Fair enough, that's your right.

I have no doubt you have a heart, by the way. That much is obvious.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:37 pm

"The world can only go broke if someone else has all the money, perhaps Mars."

:O

These are the guys on your side, Mr. Reasonable.

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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:39 pm

"Green energy = triple the efficiency of fossil fuel."

I need a drink...
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:45 pm

"They can always ease. The BOJ and SNB are buying stocks, and so will the Fed and ECB. Eventually, the governments will own the market. The SNB is major shareholder in Apple and Apple backs the Swiss Franc."

Japanese central bank assets are currently around 300% of Japan's GDP. The ECB's assets are approaching 100% of Europe's.

The Fed is at a still staggering 20% or so.

I know you don't know what the fuck that means or implies, but the information is not necessarily meant for you.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Serendipper » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:54 pm

Serendipper wrote:Defend your position.


Pedro wrote:Holey Guacamole.


Pedro wrote:I need a drink...


Looks like concession to me.

Pedro wrote:Japanese central bank assets are currently around 300% of Japan's GDP. The ECB's assets are approaching 100% of Europe's.

The Fed is at a still staggering 20% or so.

I know you don't know what the fuck that means or implies, but the information is not necessarily meant for you.

I don't know what the fuck that means or implies, but it sounds scary.

FIFY

Why does it scare you?
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:59 pm

From Seeking Alpha's morning briefing:

Upending the industry? The Trump administration is reaching out to the medical industry for feedback on requiring hospitals, doctors and other healthcare providers to publicly disclose the heretofore confidential prices they charge insurers for services. Needless to say, health insurers, hospitals and most doctors will most certainly push back on the proposal. The public comment period will close Friday, May 3.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:01 pm

That's what fixing a problem, instead of trying to make the state go broke by hiding stupid inefficient buro-vortexes behind ideas and self-righteousness (universal healthcare) looks like.

First you pull a bit at the knot, test the looser strings. Get a feel for how tangled it is.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Silhouette » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:06 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I know you don't know what the fuck that means or implies, but the information is not necessarily meant for you.

How do you know?

What epistemological measures are you taking and what are their respective justifications?
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Serendipper » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:29 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:That's what fixing a problem, instead of trying to make the state go broke by hiding stupid inefficient buro-vortexes behind ideas and self-righteousness (universal healthcare) looks like.

First you pull a bit at the knot, test the looser strings. Get a feel for how tangled it is.

Regurgitated can of alphabet soup.

Why do you think the market value of all items in all transactions constitutes basis for the valuing of a currency?

And if GDP is your reference, then which GDP methodology are you referring to? It changes all the time ya know. Is it 20% by 1950 standards or some other standard or today's standard or which arbitrary number are you freaking out about? How about we just change the numbers to something you won't freak out about.

A currency is backed by the faith and credit of the nation issuing it. Currencies can only go up or down in relation to another currency, so if they all print at the same time, then how could any fall in value?

Commodities are valued by supply and demand; amount of money supply is not a variable in the equation.

Japan has printed more than anyone, but the yen won't go down and prices won't go up.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:10 pm

Serendipper wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:That's what fixing a problem, instead of trying to make the state go broke by hiding stupid inefficient buro-vortexes behind ideas and self-righteousness (universal healthcare) looks like.

First you pull a bit at the knot, test the looser strings. Get a feel for how tangled it is.

Regurgitated can of alphabet soup.


Chess is a pretty concrete game. Move X leads to certain possible chains of moves, etc.

Here's one of his responses to a request for which move is best in a particular board position.....

I could always do Queen f3, but it's always nice to pack the knights in there as much as possible. Like wolves smelling blood, sensing a kill.

Anyway, I guess my point is just that, even though that pawn is really sexy there with the opposing black one, king all entrapped, Absolutely nothing is lost and everything is gained by opening that square. Only perhaps the illusion of more space.


It's an endemic stylistic characteristic of the Satyr spawn and those they socialize with. Not Satyr himself. Or, let's say, he manages to be concrete and clear also. But a trait of that subculture that flitted around him.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:04 pm

"amount of money supply is not a variable in the equation."

Lol, I remember a scandal once in Venezuela when a video surfaced of a Spanish economist from Podemos making this point, that money supply has nothing to do with inflation. It was a scandal because that guy was Maduro's main economic adviser.

Socialist economist... That's like saying serial killer human rights activist.
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Re: Animalism, Earthism

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:09 pm

"A currency is backed by the faith and credit of the nation issuing it. Currencies can only go up or down in relation to another currency, so if they all print at the same time, then how could any fall in value?"

Gold. Holy moley.
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