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Now again, I want to raise wages and reduce the prices of goods, especially essential ones, so we’re not compelled to labor so the overclass can live extravagantly.
However, we shouldn’t be forced to look after people who’re perfectly capable of looking after themselves either.

If we give people welfare, no questions asked, in all likelihood unemployment will jump from 5 to 10, maybe even 15 or 20%, which means working people will have to work much, much harder than they should have to.

But if we improve working conditions, raise wages, reduce prices and universalize post-secondary education and healthcare, while simultaneously making it harder to collect welfare, so only those who genuinely need it, get it, can’t find work or are disabled, in all likelihood unemployment will lower from 5 to 2 or 1%, which means working people won’t have to work any harder than they should have to.

What does it matter if it’s 100s of thousands of parasitical rich, or 10s of millions of parasitical poor we’re supporting?
Both are enemies of working people.
And if the homeless cause us serious problems by committing felonies, we can just get proportionally tougher on crime in response, a threat which’ll reduce unemployment even further.

Now as far as population control goes, we only need to worry about that if the unemployed birthrate exceeds the employed birthrate.
If it exceeds it than it needs to be deal with, because the more there is of them, the more difficult it will be to take care of them.

Not matter what is happening - I now mean at a metaphysical level - existence is really weird and counterintuitive. We are down a rabbit hole. Maybe the Western Science based, there are democracies, conspiracies don’t happen much, everything is matter -whatever that means - worldview is correct. But that is a fucking weird worldview. We can’t really evaluate truth in terms of absurdity. Whatever is going on is very strange - if you can pull back from enough from your own culture to see all of its assumptions and then look at others.

I remember as a kid being told that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Now, no one has absolute power, but some people have incredible amounts of power.

But if you raise the possibility that they are abusing it you get Bill Clinton screaming ‘shame on you’ at you.

The utter inabililty of organizations to even consider and investigate certain things is ridicualous. There is free speech in a certain sense - though anyone with some power (a journalist, an ambassador, a professor at a prodigous university, anyone high up in the private sector but not at the top) should they go outside the consensus they are puting their careers in severe jeopardy and risking massive social ostracism and damning that will affect one’s family.

People with less power will simply be marginalized. And are.

Someone criticizing the official conspiracy theory, say of 9/11, will be called a traitor, nutjob, put their job in jeopardy, be called a racist, and anti-seminte, told they are helping Putin, using hate speech and more.

With that enormous pressure on people actually looking at and considering things, we have a problem.

I’d like to see the faux-communists try to do to the US what they did to Russia.
The Americans wouldn’t have it, and Christian, gun-toting, rural Americans would put up the fiercest resistance.
America’s Protestantism is a totally different beast than Russia’s orthodox Christianity, I mean it’s in the name even: protest, orthodox.

Now you can say America’s religious worldview makes it possible for men like Trump to come to power and exploit the people, but so what?
Germany’s brand of secular worldview makes it possible for women like Angela Merkel to come to power and exploit the people, as if liberals were any better than American conservatives, they’re by and large just different forms of soft-tyranny.

Most Chinese are either irreligious or Buddhist, and like you said, Buddhism, at least at its core, is atheist, agnostic or perhaps apatheist religion, yet the faux-communists were still able to takeover in China, whereas they weren’t in Shinto Japan.
While the Japanese experimented with their own form of tyranny in the mid 20th century, today they are democratic.
You can’t blame everything, if anything on religion, some races with their histories, traditions apart from religion are more susceptible to tyranny than others.

Now let’s take a look at progressive Finland.

Here’s their income tax burden:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Finland

Now unless I’m missing something, see how the progressives screw the middle, and even working class nearly as much as the rich?
The middle and working classes should hardly pay any tax at all.
But the rich can take it, like Jesus said, the poor man who donates a penny gives more than the rich man who donates half his savings, and the rich often find ways around taxes.

And these days progressives especially want to censor your speech, take your guns, bring in millions of legal immigrants, most of whom take a hell of a lot more jobs than they create, so the working class has to compete with them, millions of illegals and refugees, make excuses for Islam, discriminate against all, not just some, their policies target all men and whites, progressive Hollywood promotes drugs and thuggery, progressive education tells kids it’s cool to cut off your Johnson and take hormone blockers…

Now I’m not saying conservatives are any better, they’re not, and they both have infinitely more in common than not.
We live in a two party dictatorship, and it’s going to take some real, outside the box thinking, and action to change anything.

No that’s the Kock Brothers’ job.

Matthew 23
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

I shouldn’t be conscripted into pulling weight that I don’t want to pull nor is there any reason that I should have to pull such weight EXCEPT to make some over-indulgled, out of touch asshat richer. If you want to pull his weight, then go pull it, but don’t rope me into your fetish.

You trying to drive us forward is holding us back.

Nonsense.

Then you have no sympathy for yourself. You are the one forcing people to work harder than they have to. I’m advocating all work be voluntary. You are advocating slavery.

We’ve established that you’re under the delusion that Hitler pretended to be christian when he wrote his book, gave his speeches, mandated prayer and all oaths to be taken in the name of god. As I said, you may as well claim the pope is an atheist too.

You’re struggling, grasping and groping to find anything to save your position. Why? Why is it so important to you that Hitler be an atheist that you’re willing to be dishonest in painting it so? Quite the crusade you’ve undertaken.

Lack of the necessary brain damage? :confusion-shrug:

I live in a town with nothing but christians, yet I’ve never met a christian. It’s an impossible religion.

And Watts said nobody really believes in god because if they did, they’d be screaming in the streets. The Jehovah’s Witnesses is the closest we have to a group like that. So in that light, sure, there are only atheists, but to the extent that people consider themselves christian and profess to be such, that’s how I’m defining them and Hitler falls into the same category as the pope.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Who was the first to throw jews into ovens? ^^^

And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God. (p. 174 Mein Kampf)

Looks to me you’ve torn off the “conservative” label and painted on “libertarian”. What novel aspect are you bringing to the table?

Obeying tyrants is conditional to religion. It’s definitional LOL!

Propensity to disobey tyrants makes one prone to atheism.

The right hand giveth and the left hand taketh.

The Red Cross is secular. I haven’t looked into whether there are more religious charities than secular, but I suspect there isn’t a big difference.

By dividing them. Friends need a common enemy lest they fight among themselves.

Yes the bible says to obey all laws. You should never fight and always obey.

No respect for Locke, don’t know the other fella, and Hitchens describes Jefferson as secular, but I don’t know for sure because I haven’t cared to look yet.

I don’t know enough to opine.

Parents are the worst thing that could happen to a child.

That doesn’t indicate anything. Theists are theists.

Well, you’ll never usher in another final solution so you may as well forget it and move on.

Yes but my point was that no one bred humans to be white or smart or anything else. No one guided the process and therefore no one gets the credit.

People can swap labels all they want, but it’s a conservative/rightwing thing to divide people into groups.

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Lack of the necessary brain damage? :confusion-shrug:

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What, you think 9/11 was due to pilot error? You have a choice between conspiracies on that day. You just decided that people with less power committed the conspiracy. It’s weird that people don’t believe in conspiracies, since there are so many laws on the books related to ‘conspiracy to…’ and we know that governments and corporations and groups throughout history have committed conspiracies. If you point this out, people say, yeah, but it’s not these neat little groups controlling the world, as if the simplest all encompassing conspiracy theory is the only one.

If we evaluated the theory of evolution by the standard of most believers in it, it would seem stupid. Because most people have no sense of graduated equilibria, or epigenetics, or the statistics of traits or how the fossil record relates to spandrels.

But when something is not in the mainstream consensus, suddenly only a moron could believe in it, because many of the people who believe in it are not so smart or have oversimplified versions they believe in. We could toss out much of science on those grounds.

You don’t know the best versions by the best researchers, so it’s facile to talk about damaged brains. Which simply comes off dumb given, say, engineers and architects, that organization and what they say about 9/11, for example. Does having smart people believing in something mean it is correct? No. And obviously you agree since many smart people believe in global warming.

And your disbelief in global warming makes your insulting him, and, well, me and a lot of others, really odd. I mean, that’s a common conspiracy theory. That the people pushing for this idea of global warming being caused by humans, etc. are a conspiracy. You must have too few brain cells.

And if you think I was arguing that evolutionary theory is wrong, you need to reread this. My argument includes my belief that it is correct.

Jacque Fresco, Alan Watts and others insisted it was technically possible to eliminate servitude in the 70s, so there is absolutely no way anyone should be compelled into the workforce in 2019!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBIdk-fgCeQ[/youtube]

The ONLY thing stopping it is the existence of hateful people who just can’t stand the thought that someone might get something for nothing. There is no other reason. That was true in the 70s and is true today, but luckily we’re about to witness the extinction of a large swath of them.

The job of the machine is to make drudgery unnecessary.

Not true. Unemployment is determined by measuring the number of people looking for work. People not looking for work are not considered unemployed. Unemployment would be 50% right now if we didn’t measure it that way.

That can only come by providing welfare (or rich parents) so that workers do not have to take the peanuts offered which will force companies to offer higher wages to motivate people to work.

You’re trying to force communism through authoritarian dictation. It can’t be done. Communism arises of its own accord. If you eliminate welfare, wages will plummet, prices will plummet from lack of demand, and very few will have jobs. You’ll have to force companies to hire (at gunpoint), you’ll have to set prices and wages, and you’ll be simply repeating what all other communist dictators tried to do.

Working people are suckers who won’t stand up for themselves. They’re enamored with prostitution it seems.

Ok Stalin. Or is it Reagan?

The best thing to do is throw money at them. Not only will the poor instantly disappear, but they’ll stop having kids too. No prisons, no laws, no crime, no expense, no trouble, ah but also no fun. You need someone to torture afterall, right? That’s the point of all this rightwing communism you’re spouting because what fun is it to go to heaven if not for looking over the edge at the damned?

But we have to decide if we are advocating for a government to protect us or are we demonizing government in effort to escape its control?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men

If we’re advocating for a government, maybe it’s not such a great idea to attack the idea of it.

Pearl Harbor was an inside job too right? FDR and Churchill colluded somehow or another in effort to get the US into the war. I guess that cause was more noble than 9/11, but still.

Well the atheists wouldn’t.

No, they would welcome it with open arms! Hillbillies relish good ole fashioned authoritarianism. Being told what to do, telling people want to do, and having an authority to worship is right up their alley… just so long as you don’t expect them to think.

They think the pope is the antichrist; that’s about the only difference.

Is there evidence that Merkel is a liberal? She advocates rightwing taxation.

Angela Dorothea Merkel (/ˈmɜːrkəl/; German: [aŋˈɡeːla ˈmɛʁkl̩];[a] née Kasner, born 17 July 1954) is a German politician serving as Chancellor of Germany since 2005. She served as the leader of the centre-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) from 2000 to 2018.

Oh my, another nazi LOL!

Merkel was born in Hamburg in then-West Germany and moved to East Germany as an infant when her father, a Lutheran clergyman, received a pastorate in Perleberg.

Well well…

In October 2010, Merkel told a meeting of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party at Potsdam that attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany had “utterly failed”,[75] stating that: “The concept that we are now living side by side and are happy about it” does not work[76] and “we feel attached to the Christian concept of mankind, that is what defines us. Anyone who doesn’t accept that is in the wrong place here.”

Hitler said the same thing.

We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity … in fact our movement is Christian. en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious … olf_Hitler

Yeah but they’ve still made a religion from it and some buddhists believe in souls, reincarnation, heaven, hell, etc. Just like christians are not anything like christ, buddhists are nothing like the buddha.

Atheists are quite different: they don’t do anything religiously, they don’t go to temples, they aren’t concerned with afterlives, and they can’t believe in objective truth.

You have to stop paying attention to labels. That’s rightwing and not progressivism.

LOL that’s funny! I suppose the terrorists conspired to pilot the planes into the towers, but what I meant by conspiracy is that the government orchestrated it or was in on it.

It’s not about believing in conspiracies, but being prone to believe in them or tending to think too many things are conspiracies. Just like any other hallucination.

It’s hard for me to relate here because evolution seems “common sense” to me, and by that I mean “readily apparent to even the dumbest person”. What makes no sense is that some fictional sky fairy poofed all species into existence from nothing.

I can look at a cat skeleton and see eons of honing and refinements that went into making it perfectly adapted for its purpose and in no way does it appear “made”.

Apologists appeal to the “fine-tuning argument” to support creation, but to me the fine-tuning is a result of iterations (evolution). Nothing in nature is a round number; it’s always some oddball number that doesn’t indicate design in any way. 365.25 days in a year. God couldn’t get it perfect? Or did he try to make it look non-designed?

Idk what you’re driving at here. Are you saying morons have a window to the world that smart people don’t have?

All I’m saying is that any group of smart people assembled will always have a higher proportion of liberals than conservatives. Does it mean liberalism is correct? No, but it means conservatives are stupid. Dummies aren’t necessarily conservative, but conservatives are necessarily dumb (ignorant anyway). And I was conservative most of my life (I was raised in it). Indeed, I was ignorant. The internet fixed that since I could perform my own research.

And regarding 9/11, I just don’t know and it’s not anything that I could know and for that reason I’ve always avoided trying to know. I didn’t need it to dislike Bush since the Patriot Act was sufficient. 9/11 wouldn’t surprise me if it was an inside job and it wouldn’t surprise me if it wasn’t.

The architects and engineers say jet fuel is not enough to melt steel. I’ve seen videos showing that it’s not enough. But even that evidence is not enough for me to be sure because maybe there is some variable I’m overlooking. I know from experience that heating steel and letting it cool is sufficient to weaken it. I discovered that as a kid playing with candles. Put steel in a candle flame and it’s pretty much worthless after and there’s no way to fix it (except recarbonating it and quenching).

And if they placed bombs in the buildings, how did they know where to put them? Or how did the pilots know where to fly the planes into the buildings to coincide with the placement of the bombs to make it all look natural? Nobody could have predicted where the planes would hit and no pilot willing to sacrifice himself would be able to hit the right bullseye. And if the government is so inept that it can’t run a post office or amtrak, then how could it pull off something like that?

Who? Gloom? He’s who they were talking about here:

Furthermore, compared with liberals, individuals who
endorse right-wing ideologies are more fearful and anxious that
out-groups will cause the disintegration of societal moral standards
and traditions (Altemeyer, 1996; Jost et al., 2003; Sibley
& Duckitt, 2008).

scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-conten … 421206.pdf

He should recognize he has that propensity and work to correct it or at least moderate it. Much of what he’s freaking out about is either nothing or inevitable.

And I could be wrong about global warming. My opinion is that I am not, but I’ve been wrong about it before (or maybe I wasn’t and I’m wrong now, idk). The fact that so many agree with global warming makes me wonder if I am missing something. The problem is I don’t know what I don’t know… and that’s what I need to know in order to know.

2 years ago I was a theist. You may even find some early posts of mine on here that contradict what I say now. I change my mind a lot. When the evidence changes, my opinion changes.

I don’t think it’s a matter of missing brain cells, but what part of the brain is exercised. Have you seen those guys with great big arms and chicken legs? Nursing conspiracy theories probably better-equips one to continue nursing conspiracy theories along with other fear-based ideas which probably leads to asymmetric neural growth analogous to the chicken-legged guy at the gym.

At this point I only have three questions for Serendipper.

  1. Roughly what % of the population needs to work to take care of everyone’s needs (food, clothing, shelter, furniture, appliances, medication, phones, some transportation, etcetera).

  2. How did you arrive at this figure?

  3. How do we get from the system we have, to a system where so long as a few people volunteer, everyone’s needs are met?

@Karpel

There’s no doubt in my mind the elite are steeped in conspiracy and the occult.
There’s no doubt in my mind paranormal phenomena are occurring on planet earth.
I don’t claim to know exactly what these phenomena represent, but we can’t expect mainstream academia and media to do anything but discourage us from acknowledging and investigating them, as they’re heavily controlled by the conspirators themselves.

I’ve arrived at the bridge of death lol

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D7hFHfLEyk[/youtube]

If N = amount of work that needs to be done by a human and P = the number of people willing to work, then I’m saying that P will always be greater than N. Of course, by “work” I don’t mean uncompensated work. It’s not like I’m saying people will work for free for the good of society. If fact they’ll probably be paid quite a bit since the poor will be robust consumers instead of economic drags.

N is inversely proportional to technology and technology rises exponentially. If P>N was true in 1974, it’s true today and will only get exponentially more true as time moves on.

In 1930s a farmer could feed 4 people
In 1970s a farmer could feed 73 people
Today a farmer can feed 155 people.
kxrb.com/how-many-people-does-one-farmer-feed/

Not to mention we throw lots of food away and build warehouses to store it rather than mark prices down to sell it. We have 1.4 billion pounds of cheese investors.com/politics/edit … us-cheese/

Anyway, 330,000,000/155 = 2,129,032 farmers. 2,129,032/330,000,000 = 0.65% of the population are farmers. That’s not counting exports or what we destroy to maintain high prices, but a rough estimate just to show how ridiculously small the required number of workers is.

Put the tax structure back like it was in the 50 year span when america was great and then basicincome.org/

If you received $10k UBI, you could sit on your butt all day, maybe talking on ILP, or you could get a job and have that income plus the $10k. And the minimum wage would increase on its own since an increase would be required to motivate people to work, so the job you decided to take would likely pay much more than the options you currently have. The point is: you are not forced to work. You are incentivized, but not forced. This is the only way to be libertarian. And the rich guy giving up some of his pirated loot doesn’t count as a loss of liberty. And yes “pirated” is the right word to describe what’s taken without permission.

If I offered you $10/hr, you might say “Sounds good from my perspective!”, but I don’t tell you I’m making $50/hr on your labor, then it’s not a fair and informed agreement from which to garner permission to capitalize on your labor. How can you agree how to split a pie when you don’t know how big it is? Does that make sense? I know it makes sense because that used to be the case, and once my workers discovered such then threatened to go on strike because of it. I knew what I was doing was wrong, which is why I had to hide it. I justified it with the capitalist narrative of doing a service by providing jobs, but the jobs were means to rip people off. And that’s the case with most jobs: the point is to put you to work like an animal and capitalize on your labor. Some jobs are opposite and the worker is overcompensated, but most are not a deal that an employee would agree to if they were made aware of the profit that their labor generated.

And the other part of the narrative is that “they were free to do it too!” I told myself that, but no, I was dependent upon having people who didn’t have much expectation out of life because otherwise they would never have agreed to profitable terms. Most of them could only be described as neurological degenerates victim of being born on the wrong side of town. They are the seeds that fell in stony places. There’s probably no fixing them, but we can help the next generation not suffer similar fate.

Nah, science will get bored and seek new puzzles.

Hopefully. But this is dependent on serious social and paradigmatic shifts within the science community, the corporate and government organizations that fund research, and people who are not good at dealing wiht the emotions of being out of control and confused dealing with that.

That’s my best guess also. That not only are people brainwashed to dismiss, but also that active steps are taken to suppress by people who know these things are real.

@Serendipper

You’re delusional.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Hitler was anti-Christian and at most, a lukewarm theist, if not an atheist.

The vast majority of scholars agree with me, not with you.

The burden of proof is on you.

It’s because I’m even handed and level headed, relative to you, I know there’s wisdom and folly in the left and right, and even more wisdom outside of them, whereas you’re blind to the folly of your side.
You’re deeply polarized, your worldview is overly simplistic, void of any nuance.

No it’s because the left have a childlike belief that human nature doesn’t exist, that we’re born a bank slate, and insofar as it exists, it’s good, and they’re willing to disregard history, evolutionary psychology, and common sense, willing to explain away, excuse and attribute every atrocity man has committed throughout the ages to flawed institutions, misunderstandings and scarcity, in order to maintain this belief (ignorance is bliss).

The left is full of servile, slavish sheep fit for sheering and slaughter, which’s not to say the right is any better, they have their own delusions.

My father, and his friends are genuine Christians.
He’s generous, humble, forgiving, not materialistic and his faith is sincere.
He’s not perfect, but since when did Christianity require its adherents to be as such?
The whole point of the thing is original sin, people are innately flawed, otherwise they
wouldn’t need the free gift of salvation in the first place, they could earn it.
JWs aren’t real Christians, they do everything out of fear, instead of inspiration, they’re religious, not spiritual.

Jesus was referring to religious Jews who were proud, proud like Hitler, who thought they were too good to hang around drunkards, gamblers, prostitutes and thieves.
Jesus was telling them they weren’t any better than those people, worse even because they were hypocrites, whereas the Pharisees and Hitler wanted to marginalize or eradicate those people.

No foster care and the state is.

Religion is to theism what ideology is to atheism.

If most religions, most of the time promoted or turned a blind eye to tyranny, so have most ideologies, most of the time.

There are some exceptions in both camps.