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I disagree. I think all that is not actually science, but more like social sciences. How can we say things so that people will buy this book? Thats consensus.

Whats science is completely obliterating the consensus - what Faust calls philosophy. And indeed there was, in serious peoples (the Greeks) no difference. And since Nietzsche it is back to that seriousness.

I was checking for regular use of the word consensus and I think Im totally right in this.
You can claim that it really means something else but that doesnt have my consent. Hahah. Deal with that now.

See this is all about moronic idiots agreeing with each other. Not about Newton or Archimedes or anyone who mattered because they actually had the power to figure something out. Thats what science is. Figuring shit out. And invariably it takes endless years before anyone who hasnt figured it out concedes that it may, despite his dumb ass pride, be the actual case. Maybe these morons then think that thats the criterium for it to be science, no, just, ugh- naw man. Its the scientist and his science. That doesnt even involve any language until he has to get some less smart people to make use of the power he disclosed.

“something out of nothing type stuff”

This is the rope I’m gonna hang you with.

Who came up with something out o nothing? Including Archimedes?

Tell me so that I can tell you, well actually, it came from this.

The postulation, of course, because only the postulation CAN be measured and opined on.

Figured out out of WHAT?

Did Archimedes not have a whole lore about water behind him to make water opinions on?

Pretty good opinions, I will concede.

That’s not what this is about.

Fuck, mixed up my Greek physicists.

which science the word comes from a meaning that iss sort of thinking kind of, like in con-science. Apprehension.

Or knowing, rather. Knowing is a closer approximation. But knowing from the outside in. Kindof. Greeks were smarter than us.

“Did Archimedes not have a whole lore about water behind him to make water opinions on?”

lore of water?
He just sat in a tub and noticed displacement.

Lore doesnt figure into science. If thats what you think sure I can see you think consensus is what its all about. Lore is surely some consensual stuff.

Sorry, tha would be the romans.

Still smarter.

You meant Thales. Thats not a scientist.

I fucked up with Archimedes. Was thinking of someone else.

Anyway, what questions was Archimedes asking to work on displacement? Hhow did it even occur to him that it mattered to know that an equal amount of water is displaced as the thing submerged in terms of volume?

Where the fuck he get that idea?

Archimedes was a military inventor and strategist who also started the scientific method.

His genius. None of these terms or questions had ever been remotely asked.

When I say nothing I dont mean literal nothing, of course it came from his brain, which isnt nothing at all, rather the brains of others are fucking nothing.

Except things HAD been asked. And the method may have been a genious answer to a problem Greeks were already aware of, aside from the specific problem of displacement or even water.

You completely misunderstand the scientific protocol if you think it is about working on some running question.
Thats postmodernism. The exact thing that tries to negate the glory of science which is pure elitism.

No, there have only been maybe a dozen scientists in the whole history of mankind. Nietzsche is counted among them.

Look, the very genius of a scientific thought is the question. To ask a sensible question. That is science.

Fucking postmodernist scum tries to make it seem like the fucking masses ever have anything to do with anything.

As if a billion people scratching their goddamn heads with a stupefied expression amounts in the brilliance of science. No, it doesnt.

If it wasn’t about consensus, why would I even ASK?

Anyway, I’m using dialectics now. that must somehow mean I’ve been defeated.

I like the points you make and how you make them, so I’m sort of beyond caring now whether I’m right that you were wrong. So sue me.

Ok, let me gather myself here.

The question here, as postulated by Faust, I believe, is is science about epistemology? Knowing something directly about the world? If not, it must be about consensus.

And it cannot be, because there is no link between what things are and how words came to be.

And obviously im more than totally happy that you disagree with me here. If anything ever spoke for itself…
Just expressing my utter disdain for postmodernism and any type of consensus based “decisions”.

It would be less offensive to suggest that Caesar made his strategic decisions based on consensus. And that is already beyond offensive.