Have you leaned what Jesus and your bible teaches?

Well, if there is a multiverse than our world, our lives, our experience, is just one possibility amongst an infinite number.

But many do, many because it is way of retaining determinism. Further there is evidence, just not confirmation.

I’m still not seeing the anthropic principle brought in.

Yup. Though entropy doesn’t make this any more true or less obvious. And it has nothing to do with the anthropic principle.
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Sure, but that has nothing to do with entropy or the anthropic principle. It does have to do with determinism or saying that we are affected by changes - so identity type issues or causation.

It doesn’t have anything to do with the 2nd law of thermodynamics - except that I am in this universe and the 2nd law has to do with this universe - or with the anthropic principle.

And nothing in science, so far, justifies value judgments.

Be this the only universe or one of a billion, our lives, our experience, possibilities are still in a huge number.

Correct, and without confirmation, no scientist will say he believes it.

It demonstrates this by showing it is the only possible world. If the only possible world, then it is obviously the best of all possible worlds, unless you can somehow change the history.

See above and think of the arrow of time. If you cannot grasp that in a progression of time, the first second is followed by the second second, etc, I cannot help you.

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Determinism is what the anthropic principle speaks to. It says that if you throw a ball forward, it will not go backwards.

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DL

1 John 2:15 is addressing the issue of loving anything that is not God, which is the realm of perceivable things, the world. If you put priority into material or the supernatural, you are not of God. God reveals himself in the OT, Jesus, and the work of the Holy Spirit in all of us individually. Not all of the created order and material is evil, similar to humans and our desires being good and evil. Our desires can cause us to put other things before God, redirecting us away from the truth, going in another path that glorifies mysticism and supernatural conjecture, theoretical boasting, that will eventually lead to some really bad things that have probably happened in the past.

As for the Genesis verse, obviously cherry picked, the ground is cursed many times, in Cain’s story too. God was addressing Adam’s choice, which was a worse sin than Eve’s deception, that now they must both labor more in order to survive. God was not saying that because of sin and death, all matter is cursed and corrupted and should be feared. Our perceptions were corrupted, no longer pure.

God’s kingdom is not all around us, more so inside ourselves and in Christ. Our ideas make our reality, but that does not induce moral subjectivity. The Holy Spirit speaks through our vessel. Ever wonder why God is flying on a brain cloak in Michelangelo’s Creation of Adam?

Entropy implies the idea of disorder and order together, which I would be happy to talk more about, but what determines the driving forces is malleable, given our beginning talk of its irrefutability but not determining its causes and effects. I’m not seeing how the anthropic principle is affecting the many-worlds theory and how we are living in the best world, whether or not there is more than one world. The world yesterday is not the world today nor the world tomorrow, and on top of that there is a battle in contemporary quantum theories about what to do with the possibility of a multiplicity of the present.

I see a lot of this theorizing as a dissent from order, an undermining of the importance of morality, and an eventual eroding of most societies before we begin to colonize space.


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Can you please quote it, as I am not really sure what you are referring to. Is it the KJV?

“God’s kingdom is not all around us, more so inside ourselves and in Christ.”

Is where God is not his kingdom and is God not said to be Omni-present?

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Seriously!!

If you are that inept and ill informed, you might want to stay away from me. I do not suffer incompetence and lack of thinking well. So reply carefully if you choose to do so.

That aside, here is the easy to find verse.

biblehub.com/genesis/3-22.htm

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Omnipresence is not our perception of material reality.

True, but it is something that some sages might see. I am not sure.

They say basically, “If you can’t see God in all, you can’t see God at all.” -Anon

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Seeing and knowing are different, for the incorporeal especially. God is in all things because he is all things, all the time. But our perceptions are limited and come along with categorical inconsistencies and emotions. Our perception is inferior to God because we are not omnipresent.

You assume that God is a supernatural omnipresent being on faith without facts so how in hell can I argue against your delusional thinking?

That aside, my quote says see, which is the corporeal and matter. We cannot see incorporeal or what is not of matter so what makes you believe there is such a state of being?

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Chuckle… Socrates used the very same teaching method. Rather than merely giving his pupils the answer to a particular problem, he would ask them questions that forced them to analyze the situation and learn each subject more thoroughly.

It is not His plan that sinners shall live forever. This is demonstrated by the fact that after Adam’s sin he was separated from the tree of life which perpetuated life.

“And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of Us, (here you have an inference of the trinity), to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.” Genesis 3:22, 23.

Though we were made in His image, we certainly do not possess the attributes of God. God is all powerful, He’s everywhere, and knows all things. Humans are neither omniscient, omnipresent, or omnipotent, God is self-existent and eternal, whereas man is not.

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Where in the scriptures does it say the above?

Chapter and verse please.

This is not in line with the teaching of Scripture.

Revelation 22:18-19 A dire warning is given to anyone who adds to the prophecies in this book or takes away anything from them.

You’re starting to throw stones while living in a glass house.

Faith is a mode of thinking. How do you deal with randomness and disaster? How do you deal with the abyss of things we don’t know?

You worry yourself over the corporeal. You’ve called yourself a Gnostic Christian but show little knowledge of Aeons and the hierarchies of the divine, while denying the incommunicable traits of the one true God who is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent.

We can see the laws of the incorporeal coming into the corporeal realm. We cannot know what we do not know about the incorporeal which affects the corporeal. We do not even know all that is corporeal, but some arrogant people like to think they do, especially in the scientific community and more radical religious denominations. I can have doubt for progress, but not about the Trinity and God. My delusion is not dogma, and without accepting some delusion in my current thinking, I cannot fix in the future what I may have been uneducated about in the past. You have no room for delusion in your world, the greatest form of delusion. You have summed up a system which causes you to reason and try to gain the high ground against others when everyone else sees through your lack of sound framework. No peace within yourself, an illusion of it.

Shieldmaden probably communicates it in more familiar terms for you.

We can know some communicable traits of God, (e.g. spiritual, invisible, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient) but most are recognized in rational and faithful way than an immediately empirical way. Only when we get to the moral attributes of God, (goodness, love, justice, wrath, jealousy, pity, holiness, and righteousness) do all of us start taking issue because we all have sin and death waiting, there is an inner battle between Satan and the Holy Spirit to reason away how God can have all of these attributes that can be conflicting to a human understanding, how science and reason can be used for good and evil. Gen.3:22 demonstrates the necessity of being cast out of the garden, the pure pregnant state which humans originated, because now that we had knowledge of good and evil (a sense of morality that bound us to sin and death), we would lust for eternal life out of either wanting to return to the original state absent of death, or a will Satan planted to pervert and destroy God’s creation further. Ironically, the eternal life idea would be closer to binding ourselves to hell forever rather than transcending to an incorporeal bliss forever (as the eternal state wouldn’t be blissful, but equally good and evil. You can keep looking for your philosopher’s stone and fountain of youth if you choose though, after all, the mind can make a heaven of hell and a hell of heaven. Attempting to understand and be like God, to claim individual divinity above or equal to the most high, is the same thing Lucifer did, yet so many people think its all hokey pokey supernatural non-sense and can’t take a hint.

God is not comprehensible because he is what we are not, and then more. You want ‘facts’ for the logically improvable and incomprehensible. You want a tidy system that has no room for delusion, curiosity, growth, change, and a bigger picture. Although the Christian Bible can be proved, for the most part, historically and morally, it is not falsifiable the same way I’m sure many atheists wish it was.

Given the contemporary plague of sPirITual nEw agE eSoterIC anti-Christians, you might make a better living being their mascot rather than arguing with me.

I assume you assume that I assume.

Circular reasoning can be self-defeating or self-attesting, self-destructive or foundational.

You say you live cup half full, I say your cup is cracked and tattered.

Have you learned what the Bible teaches? Have you learned what Jesus teaches? I have my doubts towards your logic, almost as much as towards my own, in which case I run out of time and respect for what you have to say when it boils down to insults and lack of effort on your side.

Let me digress, with an equally insulting polemic, you are a liar and an esoteric shill. I’m quite sure you skipped over Leviticus and most of John. If you are that inept and ill informed, you should stay away from educating any children and trying to influence the world until you have embraced a gentler approach to the rich plethora of worldviews all humans have something to contribute to.

Where did you come from Venture?

There are so few believers, you give me hope.

You are a liar. Show how you can know anything of the supernatural.

youtube.com/watch?v=CWOqHHE4upY

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental trash that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

Further.
pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, “The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it.”

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, “God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning.”

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.

youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia … =PLCBF574D

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I fetched once and got your really stupid faith based reply.

Fetch for yourself or just take your supernaturalstupid thinking elsewhere. I do not suffer fools well.

As the link I put just above for you, you will see what the intelligentsia think of your foolish thinking.

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Faith is a mode of not thinking and of not wanting to know the truth.

You started wrong and I stopped there as the rest is likely also all garbage given the idiocy I saw while scanning through.

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Faith is more a way to look at the unknown and immaculate, instead of always relying on probabilities.

I’m trying to think and know the truth, but your insistent dogma and lack of helpful questions ruins the whole experience.

You had one issue with the beginning and decided to frame the whole reply as garbage, unworthy of any intellectual discussion.

Your arrogance and repetition is almost unparalleled.

Ever find reliable sources or do you just post the same links every time somebody challenges your position?

I’m sure David Cross knows how to read the Septuagint and the Hebrew Bible, along with the countless historical studies relating the text to its context. Not to mention the deutorocanonical texts.

It is impossible that man and father become one unless you lose your sense of identity, self-awareness.

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The most radical mythicists hold the “Jesus atheism” viewpoint, that is, there never was a historical Jesus, only a mythological character, while scholars differ on the historicity of specific episodes described in the Biblical accounts of Jesus, the baptism and the crucifixion are two events in the life of Jesus which are subject to “almost universal assent”.

The Talmud, a collection of Jewish traditions from the third century tells the story of Christ’s death:
On the eve of Passover, they hanged Yeshu of Nazareth, and the herald went before him for forty days, saying, “Yeshu of Nazareth is going forth to be stoned in that he hath practiced sorcery and beguiled and led astray Israel. Let everyone knowing aught in his defense come and plead for him.” But they found naught in his defense and hanged him on the eve of Passover.

Roman historian Tacitus referred to “Christus” and his execution by Pontius Pilate in his Annals (written c. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44. The very negative tone of Tacitus’ comments on Christians make most experts believe that the passage is extremely unlikely to have been forged by a Christian scribe.

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In modern scholarship, the Christ myth theory is a fringe theory, which finds virtually no support from scholars, to the point of being irrelevant and almost completely ignored. The Christ myth theory has "again and again been answered and annihilated by first-rank scholars, the view that Jesus did not exist is “the view of extremists”, “demonstrably false” and “professional scholars generally regard it as having been settled in serious scholarship long ago”

From your link you gave me an inkling of where you are coming from…

KAREN ARMSTRONG: The Pope is the world’s last, great, absolute monarch. He not only controls doctrinal and spiritual affairs, but also the political, social and economic fortunes of his church. And because he’s believed to be directly guided by God, his decisions have the ring of absolute truth, which is strangely out of kilter with the democratic tenor of today’s world.

The apostle Paul cited this type of pride as the Antichrist’s greatest crime:

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4).

It is also noteworthy that Christians throughout the ages were prepared to suffer persecution and even death and the entire human history has been divided into a pre- and post-Christ era