As far as the act of rape in the civilized world, I fully agree to the prohibition of it and it's full consequence, i would even go one step further and implement the death penalty, as long as the law regarding rape is specifically defined..this law would not include:
1) Women who intentionally intoxicate themselves, flirtatious with a stranger and willingly go back to his house..
So you're going to assume and presume that that woman is looking to be raped? Despite her condition, she can change her mind about sex if it was even in her mind in the first place. Perhaps she was simply a lonely woman looking for the company of a man who seemed like a nice, charming man - not a predator. Perhaps she's done this before but she was not raped. She just didn't have the awareness to know that it could happen at some point.
So, because a woman exercises totally poor judgment and does a stupid thing, a man who rapes this woman does not deserve to go to jail? Is that what you are saying?
I wonder how many women have gotten drunk and brought a man home with her - and that man DID NOT RAPE HER?
2) Women who agree to sex then change their mind's after the act..
This seems a bit convoluted to me. I may be missing something here but could a woman change her mind after the act. If the sex act goes the way she wants it to be - in other words, No rape, No assault and No brutality, then what is there to change her mind to? The only thing which would have changed her mind is the rape.
But I suppose you might, for instance, be talking about a married woman whose husband finds out and she screams rape. Though I might be able to understand her desperation though her husband might eventually forgive her, I could never go along with a woman doing that and jeopardizing another man's reputation and freedom.
3) Women accusing her own husband of raping her..(unless there is clear signs of domestic violent abuse, then it can be considered to a degree)
So what are you saying? Legally and logically speaking, a man cannot be considered to have raped his wife? So a woman and a wife to you are only so much chattel and to be considered a slave who is owned and which anything could be done to? I hope that I am misunderstanding you.
Domestic violence abuse ought to send a man to prison but that doesn't necessarily include the act of rape.
Men beat their wives but don't necessarily rape them. But the one might speak to the other ...maybe.
By the way, these women trivialize real rape victims and this trivialization will only reduce the punishment of rape.. then you also must factor in false rape allegations which also trivializes rape and the victim's suffering.
That's going on the premise that there was no rape. But I do agree with you insofar as how a woman who is actually raped/brutalized can suffer legally and emotionally because of this.
I would also add the death penalty for the false rape allegations,
Are you insane? I would definitely send this woman to prison for a time for bringing false rape allegations against a man (and that might depend on other things having to do with their relationship [abusive one] who did no such thing - but the death penaliy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
depending upon the woman's mental health, however, if it is under malicious intent to destroy the other person's life, then the punishment will be applied.
I would give the death penalty to a man who raped and brutalized child, who totally destroyed that child, even if that child did not die. That I would do in an instant.
But the punishment ought to fit the crime.
I suppose that you would chop off a person's hand for a hungry person stealing a loaf of bread?
And for clarity purposes, nobody is negating the impact of rape, i was simply arguing the natural occurrence of it outside of the emotionalized mind. Just because something is naturally occurring doesn't necessarily make it acceptable by modern society.
I beg to differ with you here but both you and Trixie absolutely were doing just that.
Pray tell - what if rape were acceptable by modern society? Would it be acceptable to you?
You are doing yourself a great injustice to deny the natural reality of it,
I was not and am not denying anything. I was just cutting to the chase. Women who are raped.
Your so-called natural reality of it - how deeply perceptive you are - does not deny the fact of the warped mind of the predator ~~ and his victims who need to be protected from him.
It may be natural to you but in an evolved human being with consciousness, self-awareness, it is not natural. We are not still animals in the wilderness - well some are. The rapist is.
but clearly among you lot, it isn't legitimately denied, it's ignored strategically as an indirect means of social selection between men, applying the altruism to a man who adheres to the standards of women, and disgust, wimp, sleazy etc to men who don't adhere....
I am not even sure what you're talking about here.
Aside from that, you need to look to the INDIVIDUAL. You cannot judge all of us the same.
"Rape" is used as a method of selection of identification, the objective in this context is pure promotion for women's control, leaning on emotion for it's appeal, the gravity of impact, to increase selection methods through victim status..
Again, I'm not getting this.
which is what Arc is doing with her "wall of text", because she has nothing else to hold up her position..so out of desperation she jumps for the dramatic appeal...which does not negate the premise of the argument...because, for her, it isn't about reality..it's about control, idealistic delusion, misandry, extreme egoistic hedonism, emotionalized artificiality, naivety, systemic seduction, social life direction...
There was no drama intended there. This is your puny attempt to manipulate me and I find it quite pathetic.
All I was trying to do was to give the stark and real evidence related to rape and rape victims since it had appeared that i was getting absolutely nowhere, between yourself and Trixie, with your inane responses.
You can already see this stupidity arising everywhere..where they try to redefine rape to whatever they want, accusing all men of committing the act of rape during sex whether they realize it or not, picking and choosing who is a rapist and who isn't even after consented sex...now put women in charge, reestablish the death penalty for rape..and you can see where this goes...
Yes, there are some women who do that who are like that but that is not all women. I do not advocate or agree with that because what does it do but make it more difficult for the women who were actually brutalized and raped. I can detest these kind of women just as much as you can. It also puts innocent men in prison. Both men and women are vulnerable to these kind of attacks for different purposes.
Then you will also have the opposite who will protest against the death penalty, so they can maintain the victim status and it's social leverage, this is why they try to redefine the definition of rape into ambiguity, keeping it loose, expanding the spectrum of victimhood so they can reach further levels of society as a method of staying relevant, inside the picture, deriving the social value attached to an event, increasing their focal point of significance as a form of identity where they unify as a collective, including the women who empathize with the so called victim, as if she is the victim herself, trauma by association...
Again, you need to look to the individual. I don't agree with the death penalty for rape but I do advocate for keeping the man in prison for a lot longer than is usually given - except as I said for the rape of a child. I would even gladly be there to view that. Of course, I'm a monster in your eyes for feeling that way. Ask me if I care?
All predators need to be off the streets and/or underground.
I'm not sure what you mean by re-defining "rape" but I do think that the question and validity of the charge of it needs to be looked at by more than one angle and investigated. That is also for the sake of the man. But there are cases where there is no doubt involved.
it's how they bond around the fire..you know..
And you men? I'd love to be a fly hovering around that fire to hear the absurd notions which come out of the mouths of some of you and to hear about your so-called conquests. Not all men are like that but many are. I think that the men who are NOT you would call wimps.
