Ecmandu wrote:But it's not only the first approach that matters. It is the escalation that matters as well. If a women turns to you and smiles and holds your hand for the first time in an intimate way. Leaning over to kiss her, is an escalation of first approach. This is also mind reading, "the vibe"… every stalker on earth or inappropriate person is feeling "the vibe". Vibe is almost universally abused, as a mind reading game, and is not an excuse for escalation.
The problem here is that any behavior that is ornamental or escalative from the male side, is already turning a "no" into a "I don't care about the no". If an escalation is used and it turns into something more, then the female is sending the signal to the entire species, that "no means yes"
Ecmandu wrote:I've referred to it here but never have I typed it out, it's just in my videos… I wanted to change that, and post a summary of it here.
The 5 Stages that a Sex dimorphic species must traverse to not contradict itself.
In a sex dimorphic species, one sex is larger and more threatening than the other gender.
If it's not the individual, it is the whole… a 5 foot man approaching a 7 foot women is still more threatening (his other friends), because the sum total of men are stronger and more threatening. If for some bizarre reason, men and women decided to go to combat against each other, men would kill all the women, they would win that war.
Because of this phenomenon, when men approach women with the same approach a women can use for a man, the women will show more discomfort than the man will, from minute discomfort, to extreme discomfort. Where a man may look in disgust and say "go away", the women will call the police, or get a bunch of her male friends to get the guy off her. For the same approach women are always more uncomfortable than a male.
What this means as a whole, is that women have a "no" for first approaches. This may not be true of all women, this discomfort for being approached, but, since this is so extremely rare, this forces the man to play mind reading games about female consent, which can lead to very dangerous situations.
So the rule, is "No" for all first approaches from a male to a female.
This rule also applies to all children, as they are dimorphic as well, compared to adults. It's a "no" for first approaches.
But it's not only the first approach that matters. It is the escalation that matters as well. If a women turns to you and smiles and holds your hand for the first time in an intimate way. Leaning over to kiss her, is an escalation of first approach. This is also mind reading, "the vibe"… every stalker on earth or inappropriate person is feeling "the vibe". Vibe is almost universally abused, as a mind reading game, and is not an excuse for escalation.
First approaches must be 100% from the female side. This means NO ornate male behavior.
Sex distribution ratios need to be equalized between the sexes. The largest aggravation on the male side is that women are only having sex without about 2% of the male population before they settle down with somebody. For men, it is non consensual that women even have sex with men, but it's vastly more non consensual to men that only 2% of men get almost all the sexual contact with women.
The next stage is that the sexes can start to approach at a 50% to 50% ratio, with males only using direct approaches and not ornamental approaches. Now this entire time, females can use ornamentation and homosexuals can as well.
The problem with the subconscious being aware that all sexual encounters are rape "no means yes" is that men take it out on women, society, other men and the environment at large.
If everyone is trained to use better communication for better outcomes sexually as a global community of intentional communities, then we can expect nothing less than better outcomes in all areas of our lives here.
1.) If you've ever been hurt by not being in a situation that someone else is, when you get to that point and it hurts someone else, somewhere in the back of your mind is a self hatred for doing to others what hurt you.
2.) If someone is attracted to a person you are with, it may make you feel superior, however, the idea that the person you are with would be with them the way you're with the person your with, causes fear , defensiveness and anger. The anger is actually at yourself. The reason it's at yourself is because you share the attraction to one person in common with them, to be angry at them for being with the person you're with, is the same as being angry at yourself for being with the person you're with. This causes self hatred. This is avoided if people follow the step of evening out the distribution ratios between the sexes.
3.) Depending upon the person, millions if not billions of people could be equally or more compatible in an exciting and different way than the person you are with. One love does not outweigh millions if not billions of heartbreaks in terms of the loss
4.) I call this is commiseration heartbreak. When we love something or someone, we are compelled to share it without harm, so that we can commiserate with others in a bonding way about that love.
Hoarding a relationship, doesn't allow for this bonding to occur. And causes the 4th heartbreak of relationship.
5.) The fifth heartbreak is that you don't have relationship in the way you desire.
Ecmandu wrote:There's nothing fairly precise about the escalation from sex dimorphism being a no means yes.
You're also deluding yourself, creating a special category for you, that you know what's best with non verbal cues, and that you are the exception.
everyone who's bad at this, most people, think the same way that you do.
Because women only have sex with 2% of the male population before settling down with someone, males are vastly undersexed compared to females ... this means that males will become more desperate. Combine that with ONLY non verbal cues, and you have a recipe for disaster. Which I don't think women want.
Ecmandu wrote:Women use body language different than men do, as I already brought up. Most women flirt 24/7 with no intention of ever having sex with those men. You claim to have the secret knowledge of when those cues are just for you. You're a rapist trying to justify himself.
Mad Man P wrote:Ecmandu wrote:Women use body language different than men do, as I already brought up. Most women flirt 24/7 with no intention of ever having sex with those men. You claim to have the secret knowledge of when those cues are just for you. You're a rapist trying to justify himself.
It's not secret knowledge... it's common knowledge
I don't know about you, but I grew up on a planet filled with boys and girls, men and women... where we were raised by men AND women.
That's where most of us learned how to socialize... this is not our first day interacting with members of the opposite sex so as to be dumbfounded by their strange and alien behavior.
Does that mean a women can't purposefully lead men on in order to get something out of them? Of course not.. men do it too
I said the language was precise I didn't claim people don't lie and manipulate.
And the only way I'm a rapist, is if you're an idiot.
Ecmandu wrote:Mad Man P wrote:Ecmandu wrote:Women use body language different than men do, as I already brought up. Most women flirt 24/7 with no intention of ever having sex with those men. You claim to have the secret knowledge of when those cues are just for you. You're a rapist trying to justify himself.
It's not secret knowledge... it's common knowledge
I don't know about you, but I grew up on a planet filled with boys and girls, men and women... where we were raised by men AND women.
That's where most of us learned how to socialize... this is not our first day interacting with members of the opposite sex so as to be dumbfounded by their strange and alien behavior.
Does that mean a women can't purposefully lead men on in order to get something out of them? Of course not.. men do it too
I said the language was precise I didn't claim people don't lie and manipulate.
And the only way I'm a rapist, is if you're an idiot.
It's a logical and cognitive age issue that you are a rapist. I've raped this way as well, approaching women with the intent of my behavior eliciting hopeful sexual contact.
Forcing women to have sex with you, with their consent.
When the cognitive age grows older, it is understood that approaching women in anyway is causing the destruction of the earths ecosystem. Which is a consent violation.
You can easily appeal to people as dumb as you, to agree that you're not a rapist. Most people don't want to experience the horror of the magnitude of the realization that every sexual encounter on earth thus far has been rape. Yours and mine (was) akin to taking advantage of invalids and the mentally handicapped. The problem is that you're still refusing to accept that you've yet to take on the responsibility of your actions to this regard. You haven't turned into a man yet, just a child in a mans body who knows somewhere that what he does is wrong.
Ecmandu wrote:You can easily appeal to people as dumb as you, to agree that you're not a rapist. Most people don't want to experience the horror of the magnitude of the realization that every sexual encounter on earth thus far has been rape. Yours and mine (was) akin to taking advantage of invalids and the mentally handicapped. The problem is that you're still refusing to accept that you've yet to take on the responsibility of your actions to this regard. You haven't turned into a man yet, just a child in a mans body who knows somewhere that what he does is wrong.
Let me explain this further.
Ecmandu wrote:You argue just like iambiguous...
"Hey look everyone, I didn't address his core argument, look what a fool I made of him!"
Ecmandu wrote:
It's a logical and cognitive age issue that you are a rapist. I've raped this way as well, approaching women with the intent of my behavior eliciting hopeful sexual contact.
Forcing women to have sex with you, with their consent.
When the cognitive age grows older, it is understood that approaching women in anyway is causing the destruction of the earths ecosystem. Which is a consent violation.
You can easily appeal to people as dumb as you, to agree that you're not a rapist. Most people don't want to experience the horror of the magnitude of the realization that every sexual encounter on earth thus far has been rape. Yours and mine (was) akin to taking advantage of invalids and the mentally handicapped. The problem is that you're still refusing to accept that you've yet to take on the responsibility of your actions to this regard. You haven't turned into a man yet, just a child in a mans body who knows somewhere that what he does is wrong.
Ecmandu wrote:When I tell people that had the world been a better place in the past, that none of us would have been born today, they can't enter that place because it excludes their narrative.
MagsJ wrote:Ecmandu wrote:When I tell people that had the world been a better place in the past, that none of us would have been born today, they can't enter that place because it excludes their narrative.
..had the world also been a worse place in the past, none of us would have been born today either, as history would have took a different path either way.
But we were born, and we are here.. and that is the beauty of the process of creation, to me..
Ecmandu wrote:Trixie,
The argument I make about rape is that a man needs to explain the 5,5,3 rule to a woman and she needs to understand it, in order for it to not be rape.
Otherwise it is manufactured consent.
Assuming they get wiser, they will realize that their consent was manufactured and thus violated.
lordoflight wrote:Ecmandu wrote:Trixie,
The argument I make about rape is that a man needs to explain the 5,5,3 rule to a woman and she needs to understand it, in order for it to not be rape.
Otherwise it is manufactured consent.
Assuming they get wiser, they will realize that their consent was manufactured and thus violated.
Without approach escalation, women are just going to gravitate to 2% of males, either rich high IQ males, or dumbass hood males, and 98% of males will get nothing. If you are high IQ but lower class u will not get laid, they only like IQ if you are rich also. However if you are a low class dumbass you will get laid. Since there are more low class dumbasses than rich high IQs, idiocracy is inevitable in 500 years.
Ecmandu wrote:MagsJ wrote:..had the world also been a worse place in the past, none of us would have been born today either, as history would have took a different path either way.
But we were born, and we are here.. and that is the beauty of the process of creation, to me..
Maybe for women it is. Since 98% of men only receive sexual intimacy from 1-5 women in a lifetime, they have a different perspective. Also considering it's destroying the planet, they have a different perspective. I'm sure it's wonderful for you!
Ecmandu wrote:MagsJ,
I think you're assuming that since only men who act out can be sexually intimate with women, that I have this huge sympathy and heart of compassion for those men. I don't.
Ecmandu wrote:MagsJ,
I think you're assuming that since only men who act out can be sexually intimate with women, that I have this huge sympathy and heart of compassion for those men. I don't.
..it is what it is, and that does not concern anybody else but the subject, who is not responsible for the destructive reaction of males. Do they not know any better? Oh, I forget.. they're not using their mind at this point, are they.
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