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PostSubject: Re: Honor to Trump’s victory Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:20 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
New slogan for the anti-Trump protestors:

“Jump For Trump”

off a bridge, a building, whatever.
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PostSubject: Re: Honor to Trump’s victory Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:22 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Sisyphus wrote:
New slogan for the anti-Trump protestors:

“Jump For Trump”

off a bridge, a building, whatever.

LOL

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PostSubject: Re: Honor to Trump’s victory Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:14 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
“MAGA.” --Nietzsche

“Be clever, Ariadne! …
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Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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PostSubject: Re: Honor to Trump’s victory Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:15 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
LGBT: Let’s Get Behind Trump

“Be clever, Ariadne! …
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Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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PostSubject: Re: Honor to Trump’s victory Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:58 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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LGBT: Let’s Get Behind Trump

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PostSubject: Venezuela Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:22 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
I’ve been thinking of Pezer lately, and recently I had an online chat with a socialist who claimed Venezuela isn’t “real socialism”… I explained philosophically why Venezuela specifically has failed, and then i explained philosophically why socialism doesn’t work. Of course he had no response but to insult me and play the Chomsky game of demanding I know all the hyper-particular details of every government and economic moment in order to explain why it didn’t work… when I explained why that analytic-empirical (anti-philosophical) Chomsky-ite approach is bullshit, and I demanded he address what I wrote about the nature of socialism as well as Venezuela’s specific problems caused by Chavez and their oil situation (ironically only the “great evil” USA paid full price for their oil) and that how a country with more oil than Saudi Arabia can fuck up so badly, he promptly left.

Anyway, I’m convinced he was a paid subversive shill working the internet for disinformation purposes. I’ve encountered these types before.

I hope Pezer is doing well.

On a related note, this video is what inspired me to share my story of the chat I had. This is really a fantastic video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UJlRRahNzw[/youtube]

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Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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PostSubject: Re: Venezuela Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:32 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Very good analysis. Let’s get BTL News going and link to Molyneux.

“It is sad there are so many people who have not developed the level of maturity that is necesssey in order to make political choices”.

Absolutely.

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PostSubject: A possible formula Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:23 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Selfvaluing is power to will, will is will to power, power is will to love, love is will to life, life is will to give, bring forth, create-through. And that’s the end of that.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:17 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Does love really need to be in there? Love is one of those words with so many connotations.
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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:28 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
will to exalt, then -
I mean among other connotations to refer to the idea of creating beyond oneself, and to take pleasure in serving a real cause that includes but exceeds oneself, or at least that part of oneself that one wishes to cultivate - what I call the selfvaluing logic.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:47 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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will to exalt, then -
I mean among other connotations to refer to the idea of creating beyond oneself, and to take pleasure in serving a real cause that includes but exceeds oneself, or at least that part of oneself that one wishes to cultivate - what I call the selfvaluing logic.

Yes, this I can easily work with. I think that a full life includes holding ideals greater than one’s self. If you will, having an ideal you are willing to die for in order to protect or accomplish.
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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:08 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Very well. I see that ethics is the sort of context where you can best follow what I am saying.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:56 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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Very well. I see that ethics is the sort of context where you can best follow what I am saying.

Well done Fixed Cross.
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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:40 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
I don’t agree with holding onto a concept that we will “die” for. - That seems a young persons creed. However, having made it to 56, very little in life is worth dying for…if anything.
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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:33 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Drops_Of_Jupiter wrote:
I don’t agree with holding onto a concept that we will “die” for. - That seems a young persons creed. However, having made it to 56, very little in life is worth dying for…if anything.

Its a great privilege to have such a value as to exalt ones consciousness above ones physical self. Usually we dont have it. Modernity is in a sense mans impotence to value beyond his mortal coil… he does not have the will to sow himself like a seed.

But mans greatness is a seed.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:36 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
I can’t imagine a worse hell and fate than to have nothing worth dying for.

“Be clever, Ariadne! …
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Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:03 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster

“Be clever, Ariadne! …
You have little ears; you have my ears:
Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:14 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Hmmm… When I was younger, I would have “died” for many of my beliefs. But something happened… I got a business education and grew up.

I used to see only my side of the coin, the “right” side. Now I see multiple sides and angles. Let’s take the controversial topic of abortion. When younger, I knew in my heart that it is wrong. Then I met my best friend. She had an abortion when she was young. She explained her story and I felt her pain and understood. Still, it was “wrong” in my book. Then, I met another friend whose beliefs are “Its a woman’s body and her right to choose.” I don’t know that I agree with that. Seems really out there to me. ---- But I ask, “Who am I to judge??” I’m just a woman. I’ve never been pregnant. I’ve never been faced with the choice to make. How can I judge or stand for or against this???

Most all people in this world are doing the best that they can. Everyone makes choices based upon their experiences. Until I live another’s life, I don’t think I can judge.

I ask, " How can I die for issues that are so complex - and have an individual side to them as well?" An Aerosmith song comes to mind…(changing the lyrics a bit [Livin On the Edge])… “If you can judge a wise woman by her decisions, Based on her individual experiences, Then mister your a wiser person than me!!!”

No dears… I will not be dying for some “cause.” There is “All Sides with Debbie Styers [Ann Fisher].” It is sad that some people cannot see another’s point of view…with love in their heart and understanding in their mind.
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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:21 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Drops_Of_Jupiter wrote:
Hmmm… When I was younger, I would have “died” for many of my beliefs. But something happened… I got a business education and grew up.

I used to see only my side of the coin, the “right” side. Now I see multiple sides and angles. Let’s take the controversial topic of abortion. When younger, I knew in my heart that it is wrong. Then I met my best friend. She had an abortion when she was young. She explained her story and I felt her pain and understood. Still, it was “wrong” in my book. Then, I met another friend whose beliefs are “Its a woman’s body and her right to choose.” I don’t know that I agree with that. Seems really out there to me. ---- But I ask, “Who am I to judge??” I’m just a woman. I’ve never been pregnant. I’ve never been faced with the choice to make. How can I judge or stand for or against this???

Most all people in this world are doing the best that they can. Everyone makes choices based upon their experiences. Until I live another’s life, I don’t think I can judge.

I ask, " How can I die for issues that are so complex - and have an individual side to them as well?" An Aerosmith song comes to mind…(changing the lyrics a bit [Livin On the Edge])… “If you can judge a wise woman by her decisions, Based on her individual experiences, Then mister your a wiser person than me!!!”

No dears… I will not be dying for some “cause.” There is “All Sides with Debbie Styers [Ann Fisher].” It is sad that some people cannot see another’s point of view…with love in their heart and understanding in their mind.

“Be clever, Ariadne! …
You have little ears; you have my ears:
Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:44 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Hey Babe - I appreciate the crayons [keyboard & forum.]

Did you know what makes humor, funny? LOL!!! It’s the tiny degree of truth in it.

As for the helmet… that is kind of like the old CB Rambo thing that truckers used to use. You know, you can say anything because no one knows who you are (because you are hiding behind a CB mike somewhere). I didn’t pick up the helmet. You have my real name right there. I see no reason to use a helmet. LOL…I reckon I appreciate the gesture though. LOL!
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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:55 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Helmets are useful if things are dropping down from above.
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“Be clever, Ariadne! …
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Put a clever word in them! —
Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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Drops_Of_Jupiter wrote:
Hmmm… When I was younger, I would have “died” for many of my beliefs.

““died””?

I imagine a priest on a funeral reading the last sacrament, and then saying here lies DOJ, he wiggles fingers “died” for his country.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:52 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Thrasymachus wrote:

Seriously, to quote Ray Stevens “Everyone is Beautiful.” Why make fun of some picture of some woman that probably has no clue your even using her picture.
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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:10 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
I think my point was lost on you.

Beauty actually means something. Not everyone or everything is beautiful. As soon as you universalized beauty you destroyed it.

Modern leftist-liberal-PC culture of making everyone feel like a beautiful precious snowflake is fucking stupid.

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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:33 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Thrasymachus wrote:
I think my point was lost on you.

Beauty actually means something. Not everyone or everything is beautiful. As soon as you universalized beauty you destroyed it.

Modern leftist-liberal-PC culture of making everyone feel like a beautiful precious snowflake is fucking stupid.

A person is born with her mother’s and father’s genes. She can only control so much of her physical appearance. Why make her feel less “beautiful” cause her face doesn’t meet your standards of beauty? That is not only cruelty, but it is also unnecessary.

I think its sad when people look for ugliness, instead of seeing the beauty in most all of life!

Do you fear that “universal beauty” will destroy your “special beauty?”
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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:44 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Do you even know what beauty is, and means? Do you even believe in the concept of beauty?

It seems not.

You have re-defined beauty as “whatever makes me feel good”. It makes you feel bad to pass judgment on anyone for being “less beautiful”, therefore you have re-defined beauty as “never feeling bad by judging anyone for being less beautiful”. In the process of your aspirations to universal kindness and warm-feeling you have lost sight of reality, it seems.

You are free to go along with your female feeling of never feeling bad for judging anything in a way that might feel bad to someone else, by all means keep it up. But don’t pretend what you’re doing is either philosophy or has anything to do with what beauty really is.

No matter how much the feminish-leftist-liberal-politically correct paradigm doubles down on this approach, it will not change the fact that beauty means something and we are beings that respond to beauty and to what beauty indicates. No amount of warm-feeling liberalism will reverse ugliness and beauty, no matter how much you wish it could.

And of course physical beauty is connected to genes… so what? Does that somehow belie the fact that beauty is beauty? No it doesn’t. Everything has a reason and cause for being what it is, including beauty and ugliness. But again, feel free to pretend that isn’t the case.

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I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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To me, the great ugliness is the fact that people like you have lost the ability to call ugly ugly, and beauty beauty.

It is profoundly ugly that you can no longer differentiate properly, all because it might not “feel good”, or something.

“Be clever, Ariadne! …
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Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:42 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Beauty means of extraordinary quality that is pleasing to the sight.

You seem to limit sight to the surface…as in skin deep. The woman’s picture doesn’t meet your qualifications as beautiful because you see only her face. - Sadly, this I understand. However, I believe that the motto of …if you can’t practice kindness, then nothing should be said. Can you possibly imagine having your picture being mocked and posted online like this? It is simply hurtful, unkind and cruel. - Ironically, you seem to fancy yourself as a thinker. Yet, you think nothing of being hurtful! To me, that is ugliness.

I see beauty in that woman’s picture because I suspect she as seen it, has been hurt by people like you, yet…most likely goes on to live a somewhat “normal life.” But in truth… we really don’t know the damage those remarks under the woman’s picture has caused her! - Yeah, I can look at reality. I know beauty from ugliness.

— I read somewhere once that when a person lies to protect another’s feelings, it demostrates that the person has a higher IQ than someone who doesn’t, because it takes intelligence to actually consider another’s feelings.

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To me, the great ugliness is the fact that people like you have lost the ability to call ugly ugly, and beauty beauty.

It is profoundly ugly that you can no longer differentiate properly, all because it might not “feel good”, or something.

It doesnt feel good to the ugly, but nothing feels good to them. I mean ugly in the broad sense, like Obonko and Cloggcunt represent.
And this is the goal: to eliminate all good feelings, because some unfortunates don’t have the capacity for them.
That is Socialism in a nutshell: to level with unlimited violence and intrusion all mans feelings to those of the very most miserable miscreants.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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Beauty means of extraordinary quality that is pleasing to the sight.

You seem to limit sight to the surface…as in skin deep. The woman’s picture doesn’t meet your qualifications as beautiful because you see only her face. - Sadly, this I understand. However, I believe that the motto of …if you can’t practice kindness, then nothing should be said.

Then you are a slave.

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Can you possibly imagine having your picture being mocked and posted online like this? It is simply hurtful, unkind and cruel. - Ironically, you seem to fancy yourself as a thinker. Yet, you think nothing of being hurtful! To me, that is ugliness.

Your mind is deformed. It’s very ugly to look at. Cover it up, show some decency, slave.

That that woman is ugly is your judgment by the way, the picture doesn’t say that. its all in your mind.
So not only are you ugly, you are also cruel and mean to that poor woman, and without being able to help yourself.
Your subconsciousness decides that she is ugly and has you interpret the pic like that, and then your consciousness is scared of your judgment and blammes it on T.

Sad.

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I see beauty in that woman’s picture because I suspect she as seen it, has been hurt by people like you, yet…most likely goes on to live a somewhat “normal life.” But in truth… we really don’t know the damage those remarks under the woman’s picture has caused her! - Yeah, I can look at reality. I know beauty from ugliness.

— I read somewhere once that when a person lies to protect another’s feelings, it demostrates that the person has a higher IQ than someone who doesn’t, because it takes intelligence to actually consider another’s feelings.

Oh you read that, huh?
That’s impressive man.
Now you have your own opinion about IQ. That’s so awesome. Cherish that opinion. It’s super-important, slave.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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Fixed Cross wrote:
Thrasymachus wrote:
To me, the great ugliness is the fact that people like you have lost the ability to call ugly ugly, and beauty beauty.

It is profoundly ugly that you can no longer differentiate properly, all because it might not “feel good”, or something.

It doesnt feel good to the ugly, but nothing feels good to them. I mean ugly in the broad sense, like Obonko and Cloggcunt represent.
And this is the goal: to eliminate all good feelings, because some unfortunates don’t have the capacity for them.
That is Socialism in a nutshell: to level with unlimited violence and intrusion all mans feelings to those of the very most miserable miscreants.

Yeah, that ^

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Fixed Cross wrote, “And this is the goal: to eliminate all good feelings, because some unfortunates don’t have the capacity for them.
That is Socialism in a nutshell…”

Okay…I understand your furry at me and the need to defend your friend. However, I must ask, “In this furry did you lose your ability to think?”

All people (unless there is some rare or special disease that I don’t know about) feel. They have both good and bad feelings - and a spectrum of feelings. To say “some unfortunates don’t [feel]” shows no thought on your part.

LOL!!! It does show when frustrated your ability to name call comes out [socialist]. LOL!!
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PostSubject: Re: A possible formula Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:21 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster

LOL!!! Actually, I did say!! S M I L E LOL!!

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The ignorance of what Trump is has the form of the conviction that he is against love itself. What this means tis that the disenfranchised anarchists now have only one sanction;l to war for love over hate.

true rage is now employed under the word; Love.
This is good.

Absolute trembling skepsis along the abyss is now practiced in those media, that have lost their grip. This too is good.

The ID has come loose from the Real into the Word - and this word is now ‘Love over Hate’.
Precisely because this is the word, the Id has come loose.
The word-as-such as been revealed: self-valuing. The superego has become the id, which it always was. The monster of energy, no real face, just facets. At the eye of this storm now appears a figure - one question remains: what will come of his hair?

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PostSubject: Re: Trump Victory Santions: War for Love Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:45 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Haha yeah you are right… all these raving angry people chanting “Love over hate” is pretty fucking ironic.

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PostSubject: Re: Trump Victory Santions: War for Love Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:20 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
They should all go south and be baptized in Georgia… under a weeping willow. Then theyll find the Jesus and his flaming sword.

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PostSubject: Re: Trump Victory Santions: War for Love Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:58 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
A perfect example of why I don’t talk about the word “love” very often. The word has so many connotations, many of them negative.

Their love sure has been showing lately, hasn’t it?
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PostSubject: Re: Trump Victory Santions: War for Love Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:45 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
This is a good summary of leftist insanity so far:

truthjustice.net/politics/ra … ent-trump/

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PostSubject: Re: Trump Victory Santions: War for Love Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:00 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Sadly that’s pretty close to reality today.

You fuck with my delusions and I will kill you.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EScVpo-1zlw[/youtube]

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PostSubject: Re: Negotiation Techniques Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:44 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Excellent example of your quote!

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PostSubject: Open letter to Google, YouTube, Alphabet, DARPA, CIA Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:01 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Google – read this!

You can be a hero

Stop being the villain

Follow your own motto, “Don’t be evil”

You can make so much more money… helping humanity

Working with truth and not against it

I know you are reading this

Google

YouTube

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NSA

DARPA

CIA

We need your help!

Work with us, not against us

The future needs you.

Do the right thing, Google

Be a hero of truth.

I know you can.

The future is yours, and ours

It belongs to truth

It belongs to humanity.

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PostSubject: Re: Open letter to Google, YouTube, Alphabet, DARPA, CIA Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:18 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Reading it and acting upon it are two totally different actions.

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PostSubject: Re: Open letter to Google, YouTube, Alphabet, DARPA, CIA Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:37 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Thrasymachus wrote:
Google – read this!

You can be a hero

Stop being the villain

Follow your own motto, “Don’t be evil”

You can make so much more money… helping humanity

Working with truth and not against it

I know you are reading this

Google

YouTube

Alphabet

NSA

DARPA

CIA

We need your help!

Work with us, not against us

The future needs you.

Do the right thing, Google

Be a hero of truth.

I know you can.

The future is yours, and ours

It belongs to truth

It belongs to humanity.

Shared on Facebook.

Also from Facebook:

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PostSubject: Re: Open letter to Google, YouTube, Alphabet, DARPA, CIA Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:49 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Still searching for the truth, are you? Lots of luck with that one.
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PostSubject: Re: Open letter to Google, YouTube, Alphabet, DARPA, CIA Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:08 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Google, you’re on notice:

Until I determine that you have become the champion of truth (humanity) rather than its enemy, I will from this point onward be using DuckDuckGo instead of you.

Take notice. That’s -1 user for you. Until you change.

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PostSubject: Re: Open letter to Google, YouTube, Alphabet, DARPA, CIA Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:57 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
hey thats a nice one.

duckduckgo.com/?q=%22value+onto … =he&ia=web

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PostSubject: Re: Open letter to Google, YouTube, Alphabet, DARPA, CIA Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:29 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
After clicking “more results”,

duckduckgo.com/?q=%22value+onto … =he&ia=web

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PostSubject: Philosophy in present times Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:57 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Great stuff:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcEJr8h_yGM[/youtube]

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“Our choices determine the destiny of the world… You get nailed when you make a stupid decision, because you’re altering the structure of reality, and it’ll snap back and take you out.” --Peterson

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PostSubject: Re: Philosophy in present times Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:15 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
I like that formulation.
Kinda fits to astrology.

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Thrasymachus wrote:
“Our choices determine the destiny of the world… You get nailed when you make a stupid decision, because you’re altering the structure of reality, and it’ll snap back and take you out.” --Peterson

Well, I like this quote. Very Taoist.
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Stupid used to mean “mentally slow,” and at one time used to describe a degree of retardation. Today, they don’t even use retardation anymore. I think the PC words for it are mentally challenged.

Looking at the quote from a Charles Darwin view, it seems to make sense. Only the smart and strong survive. But this brings up the question… is there such thing as “dumb luck?”
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Yes, I think there is such a thing as dump luck. I generally refer to it as good fortune but it’s the same thing. Being in the right place at the right time, planned or unplanned.

If we want to be rained on we must go to where it is raining.

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PostSubject: Re: Philosophy in present times Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:38 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
This starts getting interesting around 18 minutes, and seems to fall to shit around an hour or so. I stopped listening at an hour 20 min.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9eKURpdFM8[/youtube]

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If one of us had been in that conversation things wouldn’t have devolved like that. What is lacking is a proper philosophical context, to avoid pointless categorical disagreements and to unite the scientific will properly under the ‘psychological’ truth that is, as you hear in that conversation above, struggling from both sides to break free, but can’t quite do so.

This “‘psychological’ truth” is, of course, self-valuing and the daemonic.

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PostSubject: Re: Philosophy in present times Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:28 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Possible better continuation:

Harris: You can’t deny that the weaponizing of smallpox would represent a truth.

Peterson: Yes absolutely, there is a truth, or a set of facts, that is required to be understood and actualized in order to be able to weaponize smallpox. But what I am saying is that there are greater and lesser facts, greater and less truths.

Harris: Ok, so if I am understanding you here, you are saying that facts are facts, and that the totality of all fact might be called “truth”. But in addition, that within that domain of all facts, “truth”, there are greater and lesser facts, which corresponds to a greater or lesser degree of truth.

Peterson: Yes, absolutely. What I saying is that, and I agree with you about what you said just there that the totality of all facts is what “truth itself” means, in the broadest sense, or perhaps in the most scientific sense, but in addition to understanding this we also need to be able to look at particular ranges within this totality and realize that certain facts, or certain collections of facts, rank higher or lower based on a certain standard.

Harris: And what standard would that be? Because so far you have seemed to be saying that Darwinian selection and survival is the most fundamental standard.

Peterson: Well what I really mean to get at, is that when I said “reality is that which selects” what this really means is that certain truths, or facts if you like, are more significant, have more meaning and more reality based on how comprehensive they are; based on how many other facts they subsume under themselves, and based on the significance and far-reaching consequences that usher from those facts. Part of this significance and broader totality of consequences includes whether or not we will survive. So survivalism is indeed nested inside your sort of realism, or materialist realism, but there is also a larger category here: that even given the let’s call it scientific or empirical fact that survival and Darwinianism is nested inside of a larger realism, realism itself is also nested inside of a larger metaphysical space that we might call the universe of meaning, in which certain truths or facts acquire substance and potency, meaning and significance, based on the degree to which those truths lead to something. If the invention of weaponized smallpox leads to the annihilation of humanity then it is indeed correct to say that the weaponizing of smallpox was indeed true, and based on facts that made such a task possible, however we can’t stop there, we need to go a step further and say that this truth failed to rank higher than other truths which could have allowed for the persistence and expansion into actuality of even more truths, including in this case of course our own survival.

Harris: So you are claiming that even realism is nested inside of, what seems to be, its own rank-ordering and with respect to a certain kind of “metaphysical” significance?

Peterson: Well yes, but to be even more accurate, we need to isolate facts and truths and see how fundamental they are, which means we need to do a phenomenological reduction here on par with Husserl and try to eidetically identify the root of a fact, to find its necessity, and to see on what that fact depends and to what other facts it is linked.

Harris: Ok I think I am starting to see your perspective here, and I don’t think I necessarily disagree. To me, materialist realism is quite close to Hussal’s own phenomenological project, because while on the one hand we can always say that a fact is a fact and regardless whether or not any living beings are around to comprehend that fact, this fact itself, of knowing this, of stating that ‘a fact is a fact regardless…’, is itself also just another fact within the larger totality of facts.

Peterson: Exactly. And what is so interesting is that facts are infinite for this very reason, that not only do you have an individual fact like “such and such technological process in molecular biology will yield weaponized smallpox”, for example, but you also have to say that it is a fact that “such and such…”, basically you need to say that, of any fact at all, it is also a fact that that fact is the case. And then you open up a whole other universe of facts, derivative or meta-facts, which are facts about facts. This is why I was invoking Nietzsche earlier, because Nietzsche points out, correctly I think, that some facts are “just facts” while other facts are facts about facts, meta-facts if you will… and if we follow a kind of Platonic metaphysical example here, or Husserl even, we find that there are also facts about the fact which are about a fact, and all the way up and up, without end. Nietzsche was interested in climbing the ladder as high as he could, to identify the most summative and therefore fundamental of all facts. And if that is the project we and philosophy and science ought to be pursuing, then we must abandon so-called individual or merely self-sufficient facts, like whatever it takes to create weaponized smallpox for instance, as occupying a lower rung in the totality of all facts.

Harris: I like how you express this idea, and it seems we now agree that a fact is a fact regardless of its utility value to us or to anything else. Even if smallpox were to be synthesized in this way and ends up killing all humans, it is nonetheless a incontrovertible fact that such-and-such a process of producing that smallpox was indeed true. But now you’re bringing in a larger concern, and claiming that even though this is true, there are larger or more comprehensive truths, and that these latter are even more important. I find that interesting, because of my own interest in morality.

Peterson: This gets at the concept of self-valuing, which is also a fact. Self-valuing is the idea that all beings, whether we call them alive or not, exist in a way that they are self-valuing, namely that they hold themselves as the standard for their activities and interactions. So a human being values itself by acting and interacting in certain ways that implicitly, necessarily, hold that human being itself, as precisely what it is, even if it doesnt know what that is, as the core standard of measure and of value. Because if a human being did not do this then it would quite simply perish almost immediately. And this self-valuing logic also holds for any thing whatsoever, even fish and rocks and hydrogen atoms.

Harris: Then you are invoking Nietzsche here and attempting to condition realism to a larger moral principle, which to me seems somewhat similar to the notion of the will to power, which is also a survivalist notion.

Peterson: Yes and no. Survival is indeed necessary, but for one thing it is not sufficient, and for another thing it is not comprehensive. Survival does not encompass all that a being is, and indeed surviving is more like a secondary side-effect of that which a thing is. Darwin recognizes this when he realizes that selection is fundamentally driven by the contingent environmental conditions to which a living thing is subject. But it goes even deeper than that, because regardless of those contingent environmental conditions and contexts it is always the case that any being, whether or not it survives, was attempting to act and interact in such a way where it held what it is as a standard for those actions and interactions. A fish values water more than air, and a fish that attempts to value air over water will die. A rock values the distribution of force across its molecular bonds in such a way that maintains the integrity of the rock as structure, and when it is unable to distribute force in that way, for example if the force is just too strong for those chemical bonds, then the rock breaks apart, or melts, or whatever.

Harris: Now you have identified a subtle distinction here between living and nonliving things, because the rock is either able or unable to self-value, as you say, but a fish or a human seems to be able to make a kind of choice regarding its activities and interactions, and could possibly error in that choice even if the environment doesn’t create too great a force upon it, such as was the case with the rock that shattered or melted.

Peterson: Exactly right. This is also a Nietzschean or Platonic observation, because living things rank higher on the continuum of being, on the standard-order of “power” or of what is meaningful. Namely that living things have access to a whole new category of facts which stuff like rocks have no access to. The rock has no choice but to be a direct consequent of whatever its environment throws at it, although even despite this it is still the case that the rock is valuing itself, namely that that which the rock is, a certain molecular composite of chemical bonds and structures with certain physical properties for example, is going to act and interact with the imposing environmental forces in a predeterminate way, and that way is precisely that way which maximizes the chance of the rock remaining what it is, but within the bounds of what is possible for the rock to do. A rock has no option to, say, shift its angle to deflect an incoming force, because a rock has no muscular structure to move itself, no bone structure against which to generate kinetic force in its muscles to create such movements, and no sensory apparatus and corresponding neurological systems to integrate incoming data from the environment to determine that it should move itself like that. But a fish or a human does have those systems, which means the fish and the human have access to a whole new realm of reality. And this access gives them an increased range of possible values, although somewhat ironically it doesn’t mean that the fish or the human will survive longer than the rock will survive, in fact often it is the exact opposite.

Harris: So maybe living things are more contingent and fragile precisely because they have this newfound capacity for understanding their environment and changing their behavior accordingly?

Peterson: Well a living thing, ok any thing that has the subtle and highly complex inner structure able to for example possess eyes, a brain, muscles and bones, is necessarily going to be far more molecularly complex than is a rock, because the living thing needs to have all the lesser biological structures in place to even have eyes, muscles, etc. That involves DNA, and so many other things too. So it isn’t that the fish or the human is necessarily less survivable than is a rock merely because the fish and human have greater access to truth, rather there is a correlative element here that isn’t directly causal: namely, being able to have that greater access entails that a being is far more complex and conditional in its own ‘materiality’, to use your term, and therefore will have a lot more requirements that go along with maintaining and sustaining that materiality. But I think this goes hand in hand, and in a way evolution can be thought of as the process by which beings become so much more complex and conditional that they are required to “survive” in new and more demanding and precise ways than other things which are not as complex and conditional. A human has far more precise requirements to continue existing than for example does a rock, or does a hydrogen atom to use an even more extreme example.

Harris: I find this all quite fascinating. We seem to have combined our respective positions on “what is truth” into a larger purview, where not only is Darwinian selection nested inside realism, and realism is also nested inside a kind of selection principle too, but that this bi-conditional or dual structure is itself nested inside an even larger space, the space of the rank-ordering of truths with respect to a common principle of logic the you call self-valuing.

Peterson: I think this is the case. So we are both correct here. Morally speaking, we are realists that are always striving for a higher and more comprehensive picture of reality, so that means we both become more survivable and more exposed to new dangers, but all that is secondary; what is primary is that, the very fact that we are “always striving for a higher and more comprehensive picture of reality” is itself actually just a secondary expression of a more primary fact, namely that we are climbing further up the ladder of being.

Harris: So a proper philosophy would take all of this into account, and assign proper places to facts, and would always seek the larger purview of facts not only because that is going to make us have a greater change of survival, because sometimes it will also expose us to new dangers like the possibility of weaponizing a synthetic smallpox virus, but simply because that is exactly what it means for us to be us. Self-valuing requires that we keep pushing upward in this manner, expanding the sphere of our survivability and our mortality. This seems to explain how morality is so contentious and difficult to universalize, because every moral step, if your theory is correct, would be a step that both increases the moral “good” while also in the same way increasing the moral “bad”, and morality itself is the attempt to reconcile these together.

Peterson: Yes, to reconcile them together but in a very special way: in a way that not only includes and incorporates both the good and the bad, and not only implicitly or explicitly organizes goods and bads relative to each other and relative to contingent environmental factors, but also in a way that corresponds to the very climb into the universal itself, our continuing subsumption of lesser facts to greater facts. And further, what I was saying before about rank-ordering certain facts within the totality of all facts, the standard by which this is done is not merely with regard to that totality or to the climb or fall within it, but is actually necessarily grounded in that being which is actually doing the rank-ordering. Because this brings being back to itself, in Heidegger’s sense of man as “that being for which its own being is an issue”, we see that any being capable of attaining this high space within the totality of facts, within truth, is going to still be self-valuing, and therefore will rank-order not only with respect to the facts and fact-ranges at its perception and disposal and the various ‘objective’ thresholds and comprehensivities of those facts or ranges, but more importantly or at least as importantly it is going to be doing this rank-ordering still based on what that being itself is, its own values and requirements for existing.

Haris: Damn, now you have blown my mind completely. I need to rethink everything. We should work together and change the course of philosophy!

Peterson: Yes I think we ought to do that, and we can do it.

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Someone once said something like, you should not expect different results if you continue doing the exact same thing over and over again.

I stopped getting married after three failed attempts.

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Goddammit but I just fucking love this guy. Peterson I mean. Edit: Mil0 is great too.

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Goddammit but I just fucking love this guy. Peterson I mean. Edit: Mil0 is great too.

Fantastic.

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He explains exactly why I want Milo as press secretary.

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He explains exactly why I want Milo as press secretary.

He would undoubtedly be the best press secretary in history.

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When someone like Peterson already exists and has millions of interested followers, you realize that someone like Zizek is already 100% irrelevant.

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'Zek (kek) had value in bringing up a new vigor for theoretical psychology. But he never was a psychologist himself, he is rather autistic in fact - as it appears. He does not learn about human realities very well. Rather a matrix exists in his mind through which he wrings humanity and comes up with interesting sounding sentences, which spark thought in an intelligent human encountering this style for the first time.

Peterson is actually a kind of Socrates. I mean that in a good way.

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“We should not be afraid of movement or competence; it is required to make necessary turns.”

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I dislike fear and do my best to throw it a side. However, fear is not something that is a should or should not. It is an emotion, a feeling. The Runeclaim quote says, “We should not be afraid.” The quote would be better to have started with, “Don’t be afraid…”

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Yeah, fear is a favorite concept of mine.

It is an instinct. It helps us while we are in our life learning phase. But at some point I think we should have acquired enough knowledge of life so that we can throw away most, if not all, of our fears. Understanding replaces most fears. Understanding inspires respect and this respect can replace fear.
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Yeah, fear is a favorite concept of mine.

It is an instinct. It helps us while we are in our life learning phase. But at some point I think we should have acquired enough knowledge of life so that we can throw away most, if not all, of our fears. Understanding replaces most fears. Understanding inspires respect and this respect can replace fear.

Sadly, most of us find a comfort zone and never re-test the boundaries…

I think fear needs to be felt every now and again to ensure “we are being all we can be.”
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Drops_Of_Jupiter wrote:

Sadly, most of us find a comfort zone and never re-test the boundaries…

I think fear needs to be felt every now and again to ensure “we are being all we can be.”

True that. Now in old age I have my comfort zones. But I have said before, we each should test our capabilities and capacities now and then just to see if anything has changed.
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Yeah, fear is a favorite concept of mine.

It is an instinct. It helps us while we are in our life learning phase. But at some point I think we should have acquired enough knowledge of life so that we can throw away most, if not all, of our fears. Understanding replaces most fears. Understanding inspires respect and this respect can replace fear.

Fear is a hormonal means of greasing the organism to respond to certain situations naturally. In a society like ours it impedes more often than it serves. And yet to release all fears is irrational, as there are many unknown unknowns that we may have to be alert for when they arrive into the sphere of knowns.

Vigilance. That is the aspect of what once was fear in apes, that we men must maintain. But make no mistake, vigilance is a daughter of fear, and certainly no stranger.

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Fear is a hormonal means of greasing the organism to respond to certain situations naturally. In a society like ours it impedes more often than it serves. And yet to release all fears is irrational, as there are many unknown unknowns that we may have to be alert for when they arrive into the sphere of knowns.

Vigilance. That is the aspect of what once was fear in apes, that we men must maintain. But make no mistake, vigilance is a daughter of fear, and certainly no stranger.

No serious problem with your first paragraph. However, your “release all fears” is questionable. Are we releasing (ignoring) our fears or are we replacing our fears with knowledge, understanding and respect? I prefer the latter.

But I do agree, if we must remain vigilant there is obviously something we fear that we must remain vigilant for. But really, we don’t need to fear the lion anymore. Not many of them roaming around free. But there are a lot of stupid people.
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return man 3 hacked Fear can convert into power.

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Fear can convert into power.

But generally that power will be used irrationally.
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Fear can convert into power.

How?

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Die Wahrheit zu sagen, wenn die Unwahrheit herrscht, ist mit so viel Vergnügen gemischt, dass der Mensch ihretwegen das Exil, ja noch Schlimmeres erwählt.

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I stopped telling lies a long time ago. I couldn’t remember which lies I had told which people so I just said “to hell with it” and started telling the truth. Some people didn’t like it and wanted me to return to lying. I refused.

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Trump made a statement indicating he is aware of Hilary’s connection to missing children in Haiti, these children being taken by the thousands for the sex trade, m.youtube.com/watch?v=KMJoNl2RHIU this is related to Pizzagate of course, and some of it may be untrue or baseless conspiracy thinking but I’ve looked into it as much as I can stand to do, and it seems quite possibly true. Indeed Trump is making a joke here, seems to be joking about her involvement in this.
which brings me to my second point that Trump has made seriously fucked up sexual comments about his daughter, in more that one occasion. It’s hard to fathom a father even being capable of saying those things about his daughter, especially when she was still a child. Which leads me to my third point,
Trump visited Epstein’s pedo-sex mansion and flew on his sex plane “Lolita Express”. Old interviews with Trump show he was good friends with Epstein, but after the sex scandals broke Trump distanced himself from him. Trump’s lawyer even claimed they had no connection, which according to previous interviews was a blatant lie.
this is all connected into the following: Trump did not call out Bill Clinton for visiting Epstein’s pedo-sex mansion (Bill Clinton went there over 20 known times), and more importantly the leftist media who would stop at nothing to attack Trump personally and demean his character, never once mentioned his known connection to Epstein. Why is this? Most likely because it’s not just Trump but so many powerful politicians that are connected into that.
Trump’s current wife (actually his fourth wife) slipped in an interview and alluded to the fact that she was a prostitute when they met. I can’t find the clip right now but I’ve seen it.
leaving that stuff behind for a moment, Trump knows the Clintons and has been quite friendly with them. It’s very hard to imagine that he is really this obstinate, independent person not beholden to anyone but himself and really a true political outsider, although yes that is possible. But what I see is also possible and perhaps more likely is that Trump is friendly with the Clintons and others in positions of political power, and he basically just knew what to say and how to act to "be a politician himself. He has plenty of acting experience, he knows how to play a crowd and what to say to win the favor of his crowd. And back when I first disliked Trump I catalogued times when he blatantly lied, even knowing full well that the previous things he had said (about which he was now lying) were on video for anyone to see.
Trump is not following through on repealing Obamacare. This is very important, Obamacare is perhaps the worst piece of legislation signed by Obama except for maybe the NDAA which establishes an Orwellian Ministry of Truth, making the government responsible for determining which statements in the media and public published discourse are true or untrue, and sanctioning the development of propaganda to that end.

Obamacare is 20,000 pages of regulations, and massive unfunded liabilities to “care for people” at government expense; not only this but it also is a massive payout to insurance companies, a violation of the first amendment by mandating everyone purchase a product (health insurance), and basically hands over healthcare services to crony monopoly control.

If Trump were for real he would be rejecting the neocons like Ryan and others pushing their own “Obamacare Lite” which basically capitulates to the principle of the ACA, and will only make it worse by leaving in place massive liabilities while undercutting the funding streams for them. They are voting on Thursday on this Ryancare bil, and I hope it fails hard. But it is telling that Trump is actually championing it and trying to get other Republicans on board.

Anyway these are my concerns so far. I hope I am wrong about all of them. Please critique them, because I am hoping they can be somehow discredited as critiques. I want to think Trump is legit too, but I am having my doubts.

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PostSubject: Re: Critique my concerns about Trump Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:50 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
In addition, Trump’s budget is basically debt-neutral, because all of his cuts are compensated by increases to the military.

Both Obama and Trump each ran on being anti-establishment and critical of foreign wars, yet both of them seriously increased military spending… at least that is what Trump wants to do, if his budget passes.

The current situation:

^ Would an anti-war candidate really be adding to that?

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PostSubject: Re: Critique my concerns about Trump Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:19 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Yeah its looking dirty.

It’s gonna get fucking messy if he allows for this bill.

On the sex issues, I dont want to say too much, dont want this site to get traction on account of that shit, thats the worst - but it looks like everyone has something really bad over everyone elses head. We can do the game theory math based on this and conclude that all fighting will stay indirect, as direct attacks would result in jailtime for big players, which would result injailtime for other big players.

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PostSubject: Re: Critique my concerns about Trump Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:58 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
I also do not want BTL to get bogged down like that either. Trump represents something positive, even if he himself is somehow compromised in some ways, his movement is still a Sign. But you’re right about the healthcare bill, Trump could easily be a 1-term president if he doesn’t back off this and find real solutions. Fuck the establishment, that is the sentiment that got him elected, and rightly so.

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It’s not even the negativity, it’s also the search terms and all that, it’s all so nasty, that world of the sexually depraved.
It should not surprise us that a thick slimy layer of it pervades the entire establishment, and certainly Trumps overt “lewdness” should be mightily uncomfortable for any of the more serious deviants. Likely he has some blackmail boxes as life insurance.

I’m glad to hear you say Trump stands for something positive- he still does - and his victory is definitely positive, but I hope he does not turn out to be just ‘the lesser evil’, rather than an actual good president.

Regardless though, change has set in. If Trump doesn’t push through, we’ll be guaranteed another couple of years of upheaval, and eventually the extortion system is going to tumble.

Sometimes I think the white house just has some kind of electrical signal running through it that makes drones out of people.

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He should have permanently relocated to Trump Tower. Fuck the White House.

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He should have permanently relocated to Trump Tower. Fuck the White House.

Maybe he still will. If enough threats and intruders come in it would be easy to justify it.
The protests he’ll get around Trump Tower would be like the pious circling that odd black cube in Mecca.

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Fuck mecca too.

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It was not meant as a compliment.

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Haha yeah, it would be impossible to compliment something like that. That’s why apparently it only inspires mindless prostration.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6rBK0BqL2w[/youtube]

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She almost smiles a couple of times, but otherwise looks pretty bored throughout. Haha, gvd damn.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppO5HwJjPEM[/youtube]

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Academia is joy-taking in the abandonment of mind.

But as it turns out, a mind is needed for joy to exist.

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I practice empty-minded meditation.

This is beyond joy and sorrow.

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I don’t believe in “emptying” the mind. But I’ve done those meditations myself, years ago.

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I don’t believe in “emptying” the mind. But I’ve done those meditations myself, years ago.

I don’t force it. Sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn’t.
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I look the minds eye in its eye and it breaks into silence.
But it is within thunder.

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PostSubject: Re: What is academia? Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:39 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Academia is just breeding.

The Greek notion of an education in different disciplines was simply a way to learn discipline. These fields were means, not ends.
Academia in these early days was a means to hone men out of beasts.

Perhaps one day, when Pezer is back, some shit can be re infused with a vigor that is long lost. But for now let the fever rage until it breaks. Memes are the only language to approach the absurdity.

Memes and cold chicken.

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I look the minds eye in its eye and it breaks into silence.
But it is within thunder.

Yes, the monkey mind is what it is. Hard to tame that beast. But in reality it is only the mind stating that there is still unfinished business.

The less importance we place on our unfinished business the quieter the thunder becomes.

Or. the sooner we can finish our unfinished business the quieter the thunder becomes.

To sleep without dreams and awake without worry. This is a mind at peace.
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PostSubject: Re: What is academia? Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:43 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Fixed Cross wrote:
Academia is just breeding.

The Greek notion of an education in different disciplines was simply a way to learn discipline. These fields were means, not ends.
Academia in these early days was a means to hone men out of beasts.

I wish I had had a good education when I was young. I quit school in the 10th grade to join the Army. That was my best available option.

But I feel I have done pretty well after having awakened to the importance of having a varied base of knowledge.

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PostSubject: Good versus bad Rhetoric Sat May 06, 2017 3:34 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
A nice article with a sound thesis.

aeon.co/essays/what-is-the-diff … l-rhetoric

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Athens’ downfall provides us with a cautionary tale in our own era. While it would be wrong to reject a persuasive speech simply because the speaker fails to belong to our preferred political party, it would be equally wrong to think that we should accept every speech that strikes us as persuasive. Adolf Hitler’s Nuremberg Rallies of the 1920s and ’30s were highly effective propaganda tools in consolidating power for the Nazi Party and influencing the views of the German people, but the wider effects of his ability to fabricate a redeemed Germany were devastating for the country. The principle here is simple: good rhetoric is not reducible to persuasive rhetoric. Persuasion might often be the goal of the rhetorician, but if rhetoric is to serve some civic good, it must serve the people on whom it operates. Plato was the first to observe that persuasion cannot in fact be the proper end of rhetoric, since it is an open question how it serves the interests of an audience to have their views influenced by a persuasive speech.

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PostSubject: Re: Good versus bad Rhetoric Sat May 06, 2017 4:57 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Very true, I would say. It is good to be persuasive, persuasiveness as such is a virtue, but that does not mean that that which is persuaded for is always good, nor that it is always good to be persuaded.

Likewise we can say that unpersuasiveness is not necessarily a vice, because it is not always bad to be unpersuasive. For example, if someone has very bad ideas then it is in their and everyone else’s best interest that this person not be very persuasive.

Persuasiveness is just the way in which arguments are formulated to produce agreement and/or understanding in others. Rhetoric as an early form of marketing.

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PostSubject: Blue pillers Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:53 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
What do blue pillers like typical libs, SJWs, academics, “moderates”, Christian conservatives, actually fight for?

They are fighting for the right to keep believing what authority tells them. They are fighting to be able to never take responsibility for their own beliefs, emotions, thoughts, and for their own lives.

It really is that simple.

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PostSubject: Re: Blue pillers Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:56 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Socialism and communism (socialism is just communism-lite) are literally the end of the idea of self-responsibility. These “people” would all vote for any politician who promised them free weekly food stamps and opiates. That is their model of “the good life”.

Fuck Bernie Sanders too, that self-righteous fucking brain dead thieving retard.

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PostSubject: Re: Blue pillers Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:05 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
These motherfuckers aren’t even human.

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PostSubject: Re: Blue pillers Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:42 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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These motherfuckers aren’t even human.
Well said.

And yes, they are socialists but don’t you dare tough their money.

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Sisyphus wrote:
Thrasymachus wrote:
These motherfuckers aren’t even human.
Well said.

And yes, they are socialists but don’t you dare tough their money.

Lol.

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PostSubject: Re: G(v)d Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:39 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
God should fuck himself so He feels what it feels like. To be fucked, I mean.

“Creation” . Ok then

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PostSubject: Re: G(v)d Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:50 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Lie cheat and steal.

No one is inno

cent.

RAH

(Undertow)

(Riff riff)

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But I’m breathing so I guess I’m still alive

Even is signs seem to tell me otherwise

Do unto others what has been done to you
My lamb and martyr

For

One

Sweet

Moment

I am

Home …

Do unto me now
What has been done to me

Even if signs seem to tell me otherwise

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“Be clever, Ariadne! …
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Must one not first hate oneself, in order to love oneself? …
I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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Why can’t we be sober? --Socrates (or Tool)

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But my soul must be iron
Because my fear is naked

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PostSubject: Re: G(v)d Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:17 pm Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Why don’t you watch where you’re wandering
Why don’t you watch where you’re stumbling

I mean, Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker

You’re still stumbling

No one even invited you in

Suffocate

No one

Told you
To

Come

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I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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I am your labyrinth …”. -N

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Fun fact: If you’re wearing headphones, people will leave you alone, even if you’re not listening to anything.

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Fun fact #2: Game of Thrones sucks.

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Fun fact #3: tigers are cool.

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Fun fact #4: wearing a red clown nose through airport security, with no explanation at all, is hilarious.

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Fun fact #5: Black Widow says love is for children, but actually Black Widow is for children.

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Fun fact #6: A woman’s soul simply stops at a certain point.

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If a woman’s soul stops at a certain point, this means it is bordered by something… hard reality contact.

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If a woman’s soul stops at a certain point, this means it is bordered by something… hard reality contact.

Man.

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Modern technology especially TV and the internet have caused a regression in thinking for most people. Smart phones made it worse. We enjoyed a brief window of time where more people were interested in thinking, maybe 10% or so of all people in the west, but that ended between the late 1990s and 2010. Thinking requires free time without distractions, and that isn’t possible anymore since people are endlessly distracted by their technology.

So 10% has become 1%, probably less. Not only that but life has become such a burden of work and debt that people need the distractions even more now, and have even less free time. So basically no one thinks anymore, except us.

Oh well. RIP humanity.

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Well, I think I still think.

And apparently you had no one to cause you to think so you thought on your own. Self-inspired thought. You done good.

But yes, so many people believe they have so much to do that they just don’t have time to be thinking. They let the Media do it for they. Sponges?

Would you believe it? I don’t even own a cell phone.

But then, I don’t, very often, sit around thinking about things I have no control over.

It’s actually pretty nice living alone in my old age.

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Right, age is only feared by those who have nothing more to do, to think, to become… imagine being a “finished” being at 19. Lol.

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Right, age is only feared by those who have nothing more to do, to think, to become… imagine being a “finished” being at 19. Lol.

That would be sad. At 19 I was on my way to Germany for my first tour of duty there. Just beginning a life of wonderment.

Nietzsche told us to live beyond good and evil. I suggest we can live beyond death. (The death of the fear of dying.)
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Anyone who is afraid of dying is simply not really living. But I can understand sadness over dying, having to lose others we care about. Fear of pain is also rational or at least mostly unavoidable… but fear of dying, to me that makes no sense at all.

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Anyone who is afraid of dying is simply not really living. But I can understand sadness over dying, having to lose others we care about. Fear of pain is also rational or at least mostly unavoidable… but fear of dying, to me that makes no sense at all.

Fears will always hold us back from doing what we naturally want to do in life. They are limiters we have allowed our fears to place upon us.

I can’t say I have a fear of pain but I sure don’t like pain. I prefer pleasure.

The pain of losing those we care about was spoken to very well by the Buddha. He spoke to the importance of not forming permanent attachments with others as well as to things. And in Daoism we speak of the constant changing of the Ten Thousand Things - the coming and going of material things, including people. Basically, the importance of acknowledging the natural processes of the universe.

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I don’t believe in artificial “detachment” from meaning.

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I don’t believe in artificial “detachment” from meaning.

Great perspective. Chuang Tzu would have enjoyed hearing that, I think.

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Not sure where to post this, so I will just post it here. Pretty funny.

Stranger: what do you think of Trumps transgender ban?
You: I am undecided so far. I can see how it makes sense, but I haven’t studied the issue enough yet.
Stranger: its discriminatory
You: True, but everything is discriminatory, it is just a question of whether that is rational or not
Stranger: theres nothing wrong with trans people in the military, they are like you or i
You: I don’t know that, because who knows if ‘transgender’ is really a mental health issue or not? It seems like it probably is. Mentally ill people are not allowed into the military. Also, Trump consulted with his top military people and I am sure they are aware of any issues or problems associated with transgenders in the military.
Stranger: who cares your gender! trans people are people too, you just hate them cause you dontknow them
You: Who cares about gender? Well these “trans” people sure seem to care about it, a lot more than the rest of us. Also there is no such thing as “transgender”, there are only two genders and you cannot change them because this is your chromosomes. But you can definitely alter your gender expression.
Stranger: fuck you, bigot
You: Haha.

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That conversation didn’t go well, did it?

The military has been screwed up every since the draft was ended. That’s the early 1970s.

They have had to constantly lower prerequisites in order to get the units’ positions filled.

Won’t be long they will be allowing chimps to enlist.
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Yes, chimps and droids, cybernetically enhanced chimps - with six genders, fifteen phalli, seventeen vaginal orifices and no ears or noses, to strategically upset the enemy into a bout of disgusted laughter to the end of having them all choke in their vomit…

it is highly advanced strategy man.

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Yes, chimps and droids, cybernetically enhanced chimps - with six genders, fifteen phalli, seventeen vaginal orifices and no ears or noses, to strategically upset the enemy into a bout of disgusted laughter to the end of having them all choke in their vomit…

it is highly advanced strategy man.

Well, you went a bit further that I did but I can relate to what you said.

I mean, governments do have to have someone or some thing to do their killing for them.

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Cybernetic multigenders. I should get the patent.

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Cybernetic multigenders. I should get the patent.

You would become the wealthy man on the planet.
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“He spoke to the importance of not forming permanent attachments with others as well as to things.”

Fucking, what’s the point of any of this then.

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“He spoke to the importance of not forming permanent attachments with others as well as to things.”

Fucking, what’s the point of any of this then.

All we ever have are our attachments to others, and to ‘things’.

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I didn’t leave my house or interact with another human for literally a decade, the only thing I got from the no attachment thing was a lot of free time, which allowed me to get a lot done I guess. But there is no wisdom in it.

What is love if it isn’t a permanent attachment. Maybe there was wisdom in my refusal of attachment, maybe I was wiser once but, if love makes you unwise, “wisdom requires moderation, as does everything else.”

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Yeah, the whole Eastern religious thing of “no attachments” is just a cop out, an excuse to allow the mind and heart to die a quiet death. Return to the nothingness from which you came. Entropy of thanatos.

Basically it is lazy philosophizing. The concept of nirvana is the same, you try to get rid of your desires and attachments in order to achieve… what? Some sort of ideal, perfect and eternal state. Yeah, that is called death, and it isn’t a “state” of anything.

The philosophy of no attachments is an ideological means of killing thought, reason, passion, and emotional honesty, and I am sure this serves a purpose, namely to make people complacent so they can be ruled and controlled more easily. “Oh well, life is shit, but life is an illusion anyway! Just disassociate yourself from your suffering!” Lol.

Why is thought, reason, passion, (and desire), and emotional honesty difficult? Because these demand something of us, these demand we make mistakes and own those mistakes so we can learn the next time around. They mandate a progressive journey into self-knowledge and correcting our errors, both cognitively and emotionally. That is the true path, to admit our errors and work harder to own and fix them. This also requires humility, which means real humility rather than they fake cop out of “well we all die, life is an illusion, don’t have attachments, desires are not real, blah blah blah” and all that fucking bullshit.

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When faced with problems there are two options: either you honestly address the problem and try to fix it, which is hard, or you just close your eyes and go “la la la” and pretend the problem doesn’t exist, which is easy.

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Well, consider that a vacuum cleaner is useless without attachments.

This attachment concept has been severely messed up by the “new age” philosophers.

The Buddha proposed it in the light of not making “permanent” attachments with things and others as if they were a part of who we are. There is nothing in the universe that is permanent.

We have to understand that things are going to break and people are going to die and that is just the way of the nature of the universe.

Sure, we should hold those we care about in love. We should care for the things that make our life easier. But we must understand that our life will continue until it is our time to transmutate.

Because we lose a loved one or because we lose something that was of great value to us isn’t grounds for us to alter our way of life. We can love other people and we can buy new things.

Its all just the passing of time. When we try to hold too tightly we will always face great suffering when we lose that whatever.

The end of suffering was the Buddha’s major goal.
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Attachment is the basic category of existing. We are attached to reality, by definition. Eastern philosophy is really about making better attachments over time, but isn’t honest enough to come out and say that. It just cloaks it in “attachment / desire is bad” rhetoric.

Denial is never an answer. You should always confront reality and improve it over time. That is truth-seeking, and the ontological basis of existence as such.

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If you have good things to attach yourself to, then more attachment = better. If you have bad things to attach yourself to, then more attachment = bad.

So obviously the problem isn’t “attachment” itself.

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Yes, but not until VO was there any philosophy of attachment.
No philosophy could prescribe attachment without limiting.

Buddha was very attached - to his peace of mind. A western philosopher doesn’t have that attachment.

This is what didn’t work for me in Buddhism, this insistence on peace. Fuck peace. I want life, which includes struggle with contradiction, or even is that.

Buddhism tends to hone in on those attachments we can’t shed, like breath. It then becomes a religion of breathing, attaching with extreme intensity to the breath, seeking all value and meaning in it. And that works pretty well, but it is certainly not shedding attachment, it is focussing attachment on something one can control relatively well.

Gravity is the basic Zen attachment. Zen meditation consists largely of physically being as a mass.

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If you have good things to attach yourself to, then more attachment = better. If you have bad things to attach yourself to, then more attachment = bad.

So obviously the problem isn’t “attachment” itself.

Yeah!

What more can I say? You did that very well.

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Jim - do wars ever bring about peace?
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Jim - do wars ever bring about peace?

Well, the USA is at peace with Japan and Germany. So I guess I have to say, “Yes, sometimes.”

But we are not at peace with North Korea or most of the Middle East countries.

The USA’s involvement in Korea, Vietnam, and the Middle East have all been failures because they were fought based on lies by our government. Even winning a war does not imply peace if the war was dishonorable.
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The US seems to have done better in wars they did not themselves begin.
Perhaps this is roughly the law: either you start a war, or you win one.

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The US seems to have done better in wars they did not themselves begin.
Perhaps this is roughly the law: either you start a war, or you win one.

Great observation. I love the simplicity of that maxim:

“Either you start a war, or win one.”

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Fixed Cross wrote:
The US seems to have done better in wars they did not themselves begin.
Perhaps this is roughly the law: either you start a war, or you win one.

Yes. Very well said.

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Real equality would mean women also have to struggle and suffer and work equally as men do. Not being sheltered and expecting things for free. The collapse of the welfare state, for example. The end of alimony. The end of quotas and affirmative action, which is far more insulting and harmful to women especially than to men. The ideal of self-ownership and self-responsibility.

Using sex and flirtation as a weapon is a good example of why women aren’t equal, and don’t want to be. Not all women of course, but this applies to the ones who do these things. We’ve all known women like this. Luckily I stayed away from these women, but others haven’t been so lucky.

Not equality of outcomes but equality of demands, of self-value self-reliance. Not using others for one’s own gain at their expense; any man who uses others for his own gain and at the ruin of the other is basically just a whoring woman, trying to steal “free” stuff from reality at high irrationality of cost, at the mutual destruction of truth. The proper nature of women is to give, not to demand and take. And this holds for men as well – that is the gender equality that I want.

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PostSubject: Re: I want more women’s equality Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:50 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

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Self-responsibility brings self-respect.

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just took it from google images, didn’t read the article but here it is - I think that’s real feminism in the Socialist sense where they had communities.
I was in one of these for a few months in 1998. Pretty nice living, especially if you can get foreign kids to do your chores for a bed, their crappy food (Jews cannot cook) and 1 shekel an hour. Lol.

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Self-responsibility brings self-respect.

I totally agree with this.

And yes, I have known many women who have earned their self-respect.
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Want respect? Earn it!
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PostSubject: Re: I want more women’s equality Fri May 19, 2017 1:25 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
That’s what I’m saying.

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PostSubject: Re: I want more women’s equality Fri May 19, 2017 1:56 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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^ this guy is very perceptive and articulate. The only thing I find to disagree with in what he says here is the idea that only people with kids should vote. But I understand his point.

The idea that people shouldn’t be able to vote if they take more then they contribute in taxes/welfare is another tricky idea. I understand the reasoning here, but in practice I can’t see that working. We don’t want to move from one sort of authoritarianism/repression to another. I think we have to win on the basis of ideas, which requires all people participating in the process, and voting is just one way that ideas are thrown together to product an outcome on the basis of those ideas. The decline of standards and rationality is easily observable when you let these people vote, and because it’s easy to see it’s also easier to refute its errors.

So now it’s just a race between the natural process of rising ideation to a higher truth standard in the open discourse, versus the importing of millions of uneducated non-Western people. Truth process within the west versus demographics.

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PostSubject: Re: I want more women’s equality Fri May 19, 2017 11:05 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
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That’s what I’m saying.

I’m glad we get to agree on something now and again.

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To a good extent, we are what we appear to be. After all, the beings that interact with us act with respect to us in the way that they do because of our appearance.
Naturally, the mode of perception of the perceiver determines halfway the appearance. The other half is what we project.

Evolution therefore also happens in terms of appearances.
Whether a male is seen as fit for the eggs of a female is determined by how the male appears. Hence, the mating dance, the peacocks feathers, and the wide proliferation of forms throughout the animal and plant kingdoms.

So, what we can accomplish determines on what we project.
What we can project relies on what we are.
What we do project is determined largely by what is projected to us.
Often we do not know what we are capable of projecting - and with that, what we are capable of becoming.

“Adapt to the venom”
that was what the snake told Eve,
the forbidden knowledge of how we got where we are.

Taboo, which can only be released in the daemonic reaching. This is why we do what we do as a species, why we build what we build and make it so big and dangerous. It has nothing to do with what we would be able to make use of, even less what is necessarily to our benefit, it simply follows from the fact that can’t possibly do anything besides create beyond ourselves, and this terrifies us now, and thus this building is suffused with terrible motives and dank tastes.

Capitalistic growth is the same as militaristic proliferation, and both of it is necessary for us to not go insane. Unless or until an earthly logos is found.

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Agree that others respond to us according to how they perceive us.

So the image of our self we are projecting should be within our capabilities to reify.

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“perhaps this is the true joy of the gods, that they can create perfection.”

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Fixed Cross wrote:
“perhaps this is the true joy of the gods, that they can create perfection.”

Then why haven’t they done so thus far?
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Excuse you?
What about me?

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Fixed Cross wrote:
Excuse you?
What about me?

Sorry about overlooking you.

Okay, aside from you, I see little that qualifies as perfect to all observers.

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Many artists and writers and ‘emotional’ people are on the left. Why?

I have a theory that liberal/leftism is a symptom of how mental energy-effort is being used (or not used), specifically that mentality as a whole is curbed so that mental effort can be allocated in one direction only, toward one’s domain of art for example, so that there is a pool of such energy able to be utilized toward one area. Stephen King is well known for hating Trump and conservatives for example, and despite seeming highly intelligent he is unable to see how liberal leftism fails intellectually when compared to conservatism. I also used to hate conservatism, back when I was more actively reading and writing philosophy, and also using mental and emotional energy on my job.

I was literally blind to the intellectual deficits of my default leftist position, because I wasn’t allocating enough mental energy to process the intellectual sphere of the leftist ideas. Actually it is the conservative, right-wing idea set that is the default, intellectually speaking, but I couldn’t see that. Why not? Simply lack of mental resources. They were all being used for specific artistic and philosophical tasks.

As for emotions, many emotional people are on the left because their emotionality requires that mentality not overly exert itself, because that exertion would lead to a breakdown of liberal left ideation, and liberal left ideation is just a “safe space” protecting narrow efforts. Emotions themselves are not curbed by conservative thinking, but it appears that they are from the perspective of a default leftism because the safe space of leftist mentality has been falsely associated with emotionality as such.

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It’s striking that humanity and especially the west is going to be brought down by one idea, one set of work, ultimately one person… Marx.

Maybe on the tombstone of humanity it will read, “A species with such promise but which was tricked and betrayed, and ultimately destroyed forever, by one of its own.”

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The real problem is that most have been doing too many drugs and their brain is fried. No hope for recovery.
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"September 2013
Southern Poverty Law Center Denialism on Frankfurt School
It’s an interesting question. Why is it that the left doesn’t want mainstream liberals to know the history of the left?

Even taking it a step further, why try to convince those liberals that conservative discussion of that history is a conspiracy theory?

For a decade, the Southern Poverty Law Center and others on the left have been trying to hide and distract from one of the main origins of both radical academia and media hostility towards capitalism: the ideology of cultural Marxism and Critical Theory that arose from the Frankfurt School.

The SPLC and others dismiss the facts about the German think-tank and its subsequent influence in America as a conspiracy theory. Understanding these attacks is an object lesson in how the left creates self-sustaining mythology by demonizing the people who dare expose their ideology while misdirecting their own followers as to the real story behind liberal ideas.

Organizations on the institutional left such as the Southern Poverty Law Center didn’t just appear out of nowhere or in an ideological vacuum. The SPLC in particular has a specific role of designating organizations as ‘hate groups’, often smearing mainstream conservatism by falsely tying it to tiny, violent and racist organizations.

The SLPC’s designation of what does and doesn’t constitute a hate group has clear foundations in the world of academic political correctness and censoring of speech it considers ‘racist, sexist and homophobic’; all terms that it defines in leftist terms and very selectively. For example, in the wake of last year’s shooting at the headquarters of the Family Research Council, the SLPC went out of their way to double down on it’s claim that the FRC is a ‘hate group.’

Even political correctness, however, didn’t just suddenly pop up out of thin air; it has its basis in a group of academic Marxist philosophers that came together in Germany between World War I and World War II called the Frankfurt School. Their cultural Marxist approach would go on to have a profound influence in the United States after many in the Frankfurt school fled Germany and came to America in the 1930s.

Due to the work of writers like the late Andrew Breitbart, many conservatives now have at least a passing familiarity with the Frankfurt School and their influence. Leftist groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center don’t want liberals to know this history, however, as evidenced by their disinformation campaign that pretends that conservatives who bring up the Frankfurt School are crazy racists who shouldn’t be taken seriously.

Typical of this ‘nothing to see here and you’re a nut-job for even looking’ tactic is a piece from Red Phoenix (described as ‘the newspaper of the American party of Labor’) which defines cultural Marxism as ‘a meaningless phrase used to signal that the writer or speaker has no idea what he or she is talking about’, and then says:

First, to understand cultural Marxism as a phrase is nearly impossible. The phrase itself is meaningless. Next time you find yourself in a discussion where your partner invokes cultural Marxism, ask them to define exactly what that means. Most people don’t even attempt to answer. Those that do give a definition that has nothing to do with Marxism. They may be totally convinced that cultural Marxism is destroying their society, to the point of obsession, yet they stammer and hesitate when asked for a coherent definition.
So, without stammer or hesitation: Cultural Marxism is a branch of Marxism advocated by the Frankfurt School of philosophers such as Erich Fromm, Max Horkheimer and Herbert Marcuse that focuses on cultural factors as agents for social change, as opposed to the traditional Marxist view that focused on economic factors.

That’s a short definition but one of the best summaries of the Frankfurt School and the impact it had on America is Andrew Breitbart’s highly lauded chapter entitled Breakthrough from his book Righteous Indignation. Although it may appear self-serving for this suggestion to come from a friend of Andrew Breitbart’s, nearly anyone who has read the chapter will tell you that Breitbart’s explanation of the Frankfurt School is scholarly, detailed and actually fun to read. Breitbart explains the history and significance of the Frankfurt School, cultural Marxism, critical theory and the impact on contemporary issues such as political correctness and multiculturalism. It’s a must-read for anyone interested in learning more about the influence of these ideas on our national politics.

In 2003, the Southern Poverty Law Center made a preemptive strike against anyone exposing the Frankfurt School in an essay by Bill Berkowitz entitled ‘Cultural Marxism’ Catching On. Although it was published a decade ago, the article has been referenced in many other pieces on the same subject; such is the power of the Southern Poverty Law Center brand on the left.

An in-depth dissection of the article is warranted, since the article is frequently cited by those on the left who are keen to sweep the facts about the Frankfurt School under the rug.

Take the following paragraph from the SPLC article that tosses buzzwords likes racist and extremist in with accusations that anyone looking into the Frankfurt school is anti-Semitic. Berkowitz writes:

Right-wing ideologues, racists and other extremists have jazzed up political correctness and repackaged it — in its most virulent form, as an anti-Semitic theory that identifies Jews in general and several Jewish intellectuals in particular as nefarious, communistic destroyers. These supposed originators of “cultural Marxism” are seen as conspiratorial plotters intent on making Americans feel guilty and thus subverting their Christian culture.
The charge that discussing the Frankfurt School is anti-Semitic gets raised a number of times by those like the Southern Poverty Law Center wishing the bury the truth, so let’s dispense with it as soon as possible. In short, the Jewish heritage of the Frankfurt school is irrelevant. It’s equally true that the major figures at the Frankfurt School were all Jewish and also that some of the major figures exposing the Frankfurt School such as Andrew Breitbart and David Horowitz are also Jewish. Anti-Semitism is a false, collectivist view that has no more place in any legitimate argument than any other form of actual racism trotted out by tribal mentalities. However, in exactly the same way that it would be invalid to criticize the ideas of the Frankfurt philosophers on the basis of them being Jewish, it’s equally invalid to exempt them from any criticism for that reason.

The SPLC throws in the charge of anti-Semitism in its attempt to hide the truth about the Frankfurt School for one reason; it’s exactly the kind of politically correct smear that is the modus operand of the SPLC throughout their work. It’s no small irony that it’s the exactly the technique made possible by the Frankfurt School ideology.

As the Southern Poverty Law Center article continues, they use a number of subtle (and not so subtle) linguistic tricks to create the utterly false notion that the Frankfurt School is some kind of boogeyman invented by conservatives. Take the next paragraph and note that they also continue to push the ‘anti-Semitic’ notion:

In a nutshell, the theory posits that a tiny group of Jewish philosophers who fled Germany in the 1930s and set up shop at Columbia University in New York City devised an unorthodox form of “Marxism” that took aim at American society’s culture, rather than its economic system.
The first alarm bell goes off over the use of the phrase ‘the theory posits’ in a sentence that goes on to factually describe the Frankfurt School philosophers. There’s not one thing in that sentence that is theoretical or in the least bit in factual dispute but describing it as a ‘theory’ gives the Southern Poverty Law Center audience the impression some of it could just be made up by wacked out right-wingers.

Next, note the use of scare quote around the word “Marxism”, which has the same goal of trying to give the reader the impression that maybe those crazy right-wingers are tossing the word Marxist around loosely, as some sort of insult rather than a 100% factual descriptor that’s beyond question.

Just as one example that the members of the Frankfurt school considered themselves Marxists, here’s a video interview with Herbert Marcuse explaining in his own words the group is firmly in the Marxist tradition despite their criticism of some aspect of Karl Marx’s original theories. Please note that the video link is presented here as a quick & easy way to confirm the Frankfurt School’s self-avowed Marxism, not to suggest the SPLC writer did or didn’t see it. The fact that the Frankfurt School is made of up self avowed Marxists is so clearly beyond any dispute that it’s easily confirmed by even the slightest amount of research.

As just one other example, here’s the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy as it defines Critical Theory:

“Critical Theory” in the narrow sense designates several generations of German philosophers and social theorists in the Western European Marxist tradition known as the Frankfurt School.
However, like a wily attorney trying to plant reasonable doubt about the guilt of a confessed suspect, the SPLC wants their readers to believe that ‘Marxist’ is just a wild accusation. Note the repetition of ‘theory’, charges of anti-Semitism and scare quotes in the next paragraph of Southern Poverty Law Center article:

The theory holds that these self-interested Jews — the so-called “Frankfurt School” of philosophers — planned to try to convince mainstream Americans that white ethnic pride is bad, that sexual liberation is good, and that supposedly traditional American values — Christianity, “family values,” and so on — are reactionary and bigoted. With their core values thus subverted, the theory goes, Americans would be quick to sign on to the ideas of the far left.
Once again, the SLPC uses the word theory at the top of a paragraph that is describing undisputed facts.

Marcuse was the philosophical hero of the New Left in the 1960s; at marches in Paris, they carried banners that read “Marx, Mao and Marcuse.” As Andrew Breitbart described Herbert Marcuse in Righteous Indignation:

Marcuse’s mission was to dismantle American society by using diversity and “multiculturalism” as crowbars with which to pry the structure apart, piece by piece. He wanted to set blacks in opposition to whites, set all “victim groups” in opposition to the society at large. Marcuse’s theory of victim groups as the new proletariat, combined with Horkheimer’s critical theory, found an outlet in academia, where it became the basis for the post-structural movement–Gender Studies, LGBT/”Queer” Studies, African-American Studies, Chicano Studies, etc. All of these “Blank Studies” brazenly describe their mission as tearing down traditional Judeo-Christian values and the accepted traditions of Western culture, and placing in their stead a moral relativism that equates all cultures and all philosophies–except for Western civilization, culture, and philosophy, which are “exploitative” and “bad.”
Is there any doubt whatsoever that Americans influenced by Frankfort School ideas on American ‘racism’ and sexual liberation (Marcuse coined the phrase “Make Love, Not War”) quickly ‘signed up’ for the radical anti-war movement of the late 1960s? It’s equally obvious that the various cultural studies programs that sprouted in that era have thrived in academia in the past fifty years and that such programs have had a tremendous political influence, seen in contemporary news stories ranging from the Trayvon Martin shooting to immigration reform.

This is what the Southern Poverty Law Center calls ‘theory’; the very notion of pointing out the existence of political correctness and multiculturalism and pointing out the clear origins. The coup d’ grace is that SPLC actually uses political correctness in their attempt to claim that the Frankfurt School is a fever dream of conservatives; they argue anyone using the term ‘cultural Marxism’ to describe cultural Marxism is a racist lunatic to be dismissed. They write:

The very term, “cultural Marxism,” is clearly intended to conjure up xenophobic anxieties. But can a theory like this, built on the words of long-dead intellectuals who have little discernible relevance to normal Americans’ lives, really fly?
Conservatives know better. The average well-read conservative understands the Frankfurt School much better than the average well-read liberal. Such is the nature of the hermetically sealed media environment that mainstream leftists find themselves in due to groups like Southern Poverty Law Center, utilizing the ideas of the Frankfurt School.

Let the circle be unbroken."

By Lee Stranahan

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Well, so far they are doing a good job at avoiding the truth and feeding us bullshit.

The USA is no longer a nation of Americans. It has become a nation of special interests instead of common interests.

I’m getting to the point where I don’t even like the term “liberal” any more.
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This is the proper approach to this issue T, as neuroscience, or at least a direct derivative of it.

You are pointing to something massively important. The conflation of emotionalistic thought and emotion.

The Left has this emotionalistic thought, where they don’t feel and also do not think, but use the brain to construct ideas that look to them like emotions, and to which they respond in physiological ways that remind of extreme emotional distress.

Emotions are bypassed. Ive been thoroughly ravaged by this weird mind state as it has usurped the entities of most of my family members and most friends in the Netherlands - they are psychotic zombies that neither think nor fee, but use the vocabulary and gestures that have been derived in the past from emotions.

They are essentially dead, what they do is spread death around them, and it is really very problematic, as the human constitution is tough, and these people are essentially huge cockroaches now.

Because Ive been so close to them, and so tightly surrounded by them for so long, so long that I was fooled into believing that they cared for me, or for anything at all, it is a fucking torment to even gradually wake up to what Ive let them do to me, to how close they’ve gotten to me - so much acid and poison comes out of me just becoming aware of what certain memories really tell me. Many restroom breaks, suffice to say. Contact with such vermin is a very real sickness, and the medicine is really not a soft one, it is a torment to disentangle, as it all literally needs to come out.

It seems like the leftist brain has been coopted by the liver, it runs on bile.
And all affection for any of them that is in my system now must come out of me in the form of bile, shit, stomach acid, as Ive been caring for absolute monsters, using all my genius do delude myself into perceiving them as humans.

This is absolutely the End Time, in the sense that it was alway implicit in the enormous brainpower of the human, and the very difficult taks of using that power constructively for the benefit of oneself through the benefit of ones surroundings (self-valuing logic) is just far too much to ask for a randomly progressing process like evolution.

It was always certain, and this is I suppose how prophecies were conceived, by simple psychological skill, that humanity would have to face its ultimate enemy: its brain. The brain can be used to attain truth, but it is far better at inventing means to avoid truth. That is what leftism is, and the emotionalistic… ectoplasma that manifests as Media and Social Justice, and all these horrors, this flows straight out of the metaphorical gates of hell, which means the abused brain.

Ive seen it proven now that these people aren’t capable of having emotions. They are absolutely dead at heart. And yet they are breeding, my monstrous bile-hearted cousins are having children… meaning, since infants aren’t capable of instantly being as wretched as all grown humans can be, there will be such a terrible struggle of generations to come… maybe a time is coming where children kill their parents and vice versa.

All this to the “purpose” of restoring basic human emotions. Of course non teleologically, just by necessity, by lack of alternative, the emotiolalism that spends itself in the most rotten ways drives carriers to a consequence that confronts them with the basic emotion that discerns death from life: Fear, the emotion that birthed all mass-religions.

Once this is happened, once the now plasmic sub-humanoid substance of the European Left is confronted with a shred of reality, the new time will begin, an age of complete upheaval will begin, wherein new religions are born, and from thereon, new social orders can be forged, through heated battle involving both arms and philosophy.

" The strong do what they can do and the weak accept what they have to accept. "

Thucydides
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PostSubject: Re: What is liberal/leftism? Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:47 am Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Fixed Cross wrote:
This is the proper approach to this issue T, as neuroscience, or at least a direct derivative of it.