Violence is for afraid pussies and only cowards carry weapon

There’s a difference between disciplining a misbehaving woman by spanking or slapping her, and getting mad at work or getting drunk and just beating her up and causing actual damage to an innocent woman. Feminists of course try to blur the difference and make every case of men being violent against women seem like the latter so as to subvert natural masculine authority. There isn’t really even anything wrong with women testing men.

When a guy attempts to discipline a woman, he also indicates he cares about her. If he didn’t he’d just dump her if she became too annoying. Also when a guy kills or beats a cheating woman, it is actually kind of romantic because that also indicates that he cares (or cared) and invested emotionally in her. It’s just a man expressing his emotions, and women like that, or so they say. A man typically won’t risk doing violence against somebody who is just a fuck-buddy to him. Betrayal only hurts if there is trust and affection in the first place.

This is where you’re wrong - this used to be its role (and the role of religion too) but now it is only used to crush all white masculine resistance against liberals/leftists and their precious non-whites, feminism, Islam, homosexuality and other kinds of sexualities and so on.

The police and military are merely the mindless pawns of the system, its physical enforcers. If the system is depraved, then they will enforce depravity.

Yeah duh, I never denied this, brains allow us to use brawn more efficiently (strategy) and develop artificial kinds of brawn (weapons). This is the primary advantage of humans… well, some humans more than others.

Yeah, but the slant is obvious onto the periphery but ok ill stay down for a while until I can hold my breath, but then again I forgot I got an oxygen tank down here. Such great fauna here and besides I’m not afraid anymore of kicking it into the greatest super upward journey, its probably great up There .

Later alligator.

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That is backwards. It is the right that holds positions on faith.

The right asserts objective morality on faith / the left is only intolerant of intolerance (assertion of objective morality is subjectively immoral and a violation of autonomy)
The right are absolutists / the left are relativists.
The right are dogmatists / the left are evidence-based.

Abandonment of logic and reason is conditional to be conservative and for a quick easy illustration, just visit any political board and argue for a minimum wage then observe the slanderous defense void of substance indicative of holding ideas absent of evidence. Conversely, argue against climate change and see how many liberals resort to slander.

The right is essentially a group with limited education arrogantly proclaiming nobel laureates stupid by appealing to “common sense”.

A possible reason the left may need more policing is precisely because of their open minds which aren’t dogmatically closed on the idea that murder is objectively wrong, but that the ends can sometimes justify the means. Conversely, because conservatives are bullheaded, there is no cognitive mechanism to subvert the dogma they hold that states murder is wrong. Conservatives are essentially machines that do what they’re told; value loyalty; obedience; allegiance, and it’s not open for discussion.

Has a picture of cookie monster as their icon, seems legit.

To an extent, this is the case when it comes to spectacles of violence - fake and real and everything in between, insofar as they attract a lot of revenue. Of course fighters aren’t the richest class of people in the world, but perhaps they are being nothing more than appropriately compensated to the extent of what they would realistically be giving up if they were to lead a lesser society where competence in violence is power. “Weaklings” (when it comes to violence) being at the top appears to yield a richer society, hence why everyone wins so much more, justifying why it’s dumb to carry weapons.

But of course strength and weakness doesn’t only occur along the scale of violence. Strengths occur in a wide variety of scales in many dimensions. There is no such things as “strong” and “weak” in general, but there are certainly people who have more of one than the other, and there are people who have more of one than the other in more or less relevant ways to what their society currently values.
But to those who have more strengths than weaknesses, yet their strengths are less relevant, they’re welcome to try and push their strengths and make them relevant. But to the extent that they fail, they only prove that they aren’t worthy.

You seem to have re-worded my point as to why organisations don’t feel fear, in order to conclude that they do. Dubious.
I guess you can look at anything blurrily enough and conclude that there’s no distinction, sure, I’m just saying that if you look at it closely there’s a clear distinction.

Yes, those gosh-darn “pigs” who go around telling you not to do dumb stuff. You go show them you’re boss by doing dumb stuff anyway!
And yeah, they’re the greatest allies of weaklings, cowards, and everyone else who has adapted to a cleverer and more efficient way of living (pro-socially).
Of course they’d be more scared if they didn’t take an appropriate selection of weapons to face armed criminals, please do quote me where I said they wouldn’t be.

Yeah, that’s exactly what I would say if I was talking about myself.

If I didn’t know any better I’d suspect you’re trying to shame adaptation? Adaptation is the single most important strength to possess. You don’t bring boxing gloves to a chess match, and you don’t bring chess pieces to a boxing match, you adapt to whatever strengths are needed, and letting yourself be weak in irrelevant areas is inconsequential - if anything it is desirable in that it gives you more time to focus on being strong in relevant areas.

Right now, competence at physical violence is irrelevant. If you’re unable to adapt, you can try to bring things back to physical violence like you seem to be suggesting you’d do, and then you just lose anyway to better adapted ways of approaching things.

You can call people pussies for not playing your game all you like from your podium of losing, and the rest of the world will just laugh at you while they adapt to how things actually are.

Omg. A member of the hive speaks. You sound like a fucking Borg from star trek.

Adaptation? No it sounds like you advocate collectivist pacifism. Like merging. As in fluids.

Trying living in the fucking hood for a year and then you’ll think twice about not carrying. What the fuck am I supposed to do? Walk around in the hood and get shanked? Man when were the days when people actually valued their own damn lives. Even suicidal people seem to value their own lives more than these collectivist borg types. A borg could care less whether or not he has the American right to defend himself or his property. Just wants to give up his rights to a bunch of pigs like a good little brainwashed cuck. Maybe I’m getting to old. I no longer feel like I’m part of society anymore. Some of the stuff I hear just seems too insane to believe. Its like humans are another species from me. Sheep I think.

Lol at LoL’s first line, below…

Times they are a-changing… right in front of our eyes, right now.

I worked in the hood for a number of years and the only problem I had was the presumption that I was there to purchase crack. They didn’t see me as a victim, but a customer. Of course, that was before Trump, so I don’t know now.

I support your right to carry, but I’ll travel light. I’m more afraid of the cops than the criminals because the latter are reasonable, but the righteous are not.

Simply not true.

It’s the left that has absolute, dogmatic faith in their “Social Justice Crusade”. Social-Justice-Warriors represent the new (Modern) religion. If you’re not a gay-queer-gender-fluid then you’re morally evil. If you’re a straight-white-male then you’re going to Hell.

I can kinda see that, but “If you’re not a gay-queer-gender-fluid then you’re morally evil” means they are mad at the ones with the moral absolute that homosexuality is wrong. So like I was saying, the only evil is proclaiming something evil.

You do have a point about SJW possibly becoming a religion to be dogmatic about, but on the whole and in general, I think my categorizations are accurate in illustrating the principle differences of the opposing mindsets (some exceptions apply).

Which is a mirror image of the Christian right attitude held by many.
Any space controlled by the right has very rigid images and ideas about what a man should be like, a woman, children, a good person. The whole don’t be in any way faggy, which goes way beyond sexuality. Both sides have a whole bunch of ways to be immoral, evil, shit, wrong, fucked up, should be cast down in the pit. The right has always had its own pc. Anyone who has bee in contact with it knows this. I grew up when right pc was simply taken for granted. Not in my house but out there in the world. Both pcs are faith based. Both damn.

I’m not a trekky so I’m afraid I can’t relate, however if the Borg are anything like the Zerg in Starcraft, then what I’m saying about the reality of the world - whether I like it or not by the way - fits what I’m saying pretty well, sure. Come to think of it, it’s a clever little scenario that the makers of the game came up with when it comes to attracting the target audience i.e. gamers. Generally gamers are outcasts who have turned away from the normal life and towards an alternative virtual one, and Starcraft presents a fabricated reality where the good guys (the human “Terran”) are fighting against an infesting malignant conformity that’s threatening their way of life, yet on the other hand the alien “Zerg” might be more tempting to play in order to achieve a more angry catharsis through destroying humanity altogether. Perhaps there’s a similar sentiment behind the Borg in Star Trek, you tell me.

It’s a sad reflection that I am often met with when I present reality as I see it objectively, and it is assumed that people including myself are only ever out there to sell their biased subjective agenda - which is often taken for granted by them because that is the method they are adopting themselves. I am not advocating anything. I am simply presenting how the world is, whether you/I like it or not. I am interested in truth, not a story.

I like what little property I own being mine, but I’ve never once needed to actively defend it beyond locking my doors. But then, I’ve never lived “in the hood”. From what little I know of such places, it seems that people only “get shanked” when they/others have stupidly set up “gangs” with “territories” - presumably just to feel any kind of semblance of ownership at all in a world where they own relatively very little yet they need to think of themselves as big - and you violate this arbitrary claim. Either that or some desperate guy wants things of value and you’re both having a bad day - or cowardly people just wanna feel big and pick on someone just for a petty ego boost. It’s all cowardly and breeds cowardliness in retaliation - completely pointless and something that you should stay away from, but admittedly should participate in to as minimal a degree as possible if you can’t escape for whatever reason. Do educate me if you feel the need.

I would say that both your depiction of “the Christian right” and his depiction of “the left” both apply to a certain proportion of people in the West, only the PC “social justice crusaders” aren’t Left in the slightest by the very “virtue” of the Social Authoritarianism that they share with the Christian right. That’s right wing, always has been. Inverting the identity of the liberal hippie into social justice warriors is ridiculous if only thought about for a second, whatever name it goes by, which seems to completely escape this fanatic to whom you’re responding.

Perhaps you and Serendipper would agree with me that it’s the Social Authoritarians who “have no devotion or fealty to logic and reason”, and “cannot be reasoned with. Period.” as he so delicately put it a few posts ago? Not “the left” in general, or the reasonable right.

My experience of the Left is that they have all sorts of rules about how one should behave, and this is not just the modern sjws, but even good old communists and socialists. Not sticking out, not being selfish, all for the good of the proletariat. I mean, anything from what one does in one’s free time, to how you speak about issues, to being taken to task in meetings by the group - of course in extreme forms in various communist nations - or ‘communist’ nations to some. Now these social rules are not the same as the social rules of the sjws but they are still rules.

I think there have been changes. They do paint the whole left as the violent antifas and the feminists who hate men and want to control all behavior. But what was marginal left ideas - ones I lived at, for example, a very very progressive college where I went and later worked, have now entered the mainstream. While economic radical ideas on the right have been seeping into the mainstream.

Ironically there is a part of the right that says the Left have no morals. Based on the idea that they supposed to be relativists, and absolute ones. Well, welcome to the morals of the Left, Right wing. Many of their complaints are around what is happening in school. When I went to school, the social world was ruled by a hatred of anything that could be categorized as feminine in boys. Teachers attacked anything critical of certain parts of american history. I mean, they tended to get that slavery wasn’t great, but they downplayed pretty much everything else, and a student raising critical opinions of current foreign policy or past actions, was in for shit. There was right wing pc all over the place, even though this was a fairly liberal set of public schools I went to.

I find that most authoritarians can do something they consider reasoning. But on both sides there is something more important going on, so they allow themselves quite a bit of flexibility, and boht think they are talking to the devil.

What you say is true, but like I said, it’s easy to test who is more dogmatic by simply arguing against each side and seeing who resorts to more underhanded tactics. I don’t believe the climate change narrative, so I argued against liberals on it, yet not a single one called me a name and it was on the “no holds barred” board where insults are permissible. I found that revealing.

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Sure there are exceptions and any authoritarian would be dogmatic, but consistent with good ole “systemizing” me, I was just trying to pigeonhole everyone into a generalized polar group in order to showcase the fundamental philosophies of each side.

I keep hearing of such experiences with the left, but back in my day and on the other side of the pond if you’re an American they were the literal opposite - it’s just strange to me. I identify as a leftist because socially I believe in laissez faire. Economically, I believe in the philosophy that pluralisation undermines corruption, but that there’s an inevitable and serious imbalance to a laissez faire economy, which cannot me allowed to continue.

So… am I now a rightist according to your experience? I think not. Obviously left/right is a dumb dichotomy, but in my experience I used to fit into the dumb dichotomy fairly squarely. Apparently the dumb dichotomy has severely shifted according to experiences like yours, which is irritating to me because it’s essentially turned an easy way of referring to myself on its head. I argue as a leftist as distinct from a purveyor of authoritarian/totalitarian/dictatorship like is associated with the “practice” of alternative economic structures such as “Communism”, which was so obviously very very horrible. To me it’s obvious that the practice diverged from the theory in a seemingly equivalent turning-on-its-head.

So now I find myself unable to refer to myself as a leftist without causing severe misunderstanding, because people now associate that with authoritarianism from both SJWs and “Communism-in-practice”.

I think of the right/left distinction in relation to its origin, with the “right” representing the desires of the current ruling classes and the “left” representing the desires of those who want change. Obviously sticking to rules fits with the right, and changing the rules fits with the left, but I guess this evolves as “changing the rules” gains traction. Once the left has successfully changed the rules, are they then the right? And are those who used to be sympathetic to the right now left? And what about the left who still want the rules to change to something else, or simply want the rules to change to not being there at all?

The dumb dichotomy has undergone some qualification over the years, with liberals in contrast to neo-liberals, the right in contrast to the alt-right etc. But my stance seems to have been lost. I am no hippie pacifist nor a Libertarian in economic respects, though I agree with them in social matters. Nor am I an “old-Communist” or of any such category that sympathises with any kind of Social Authoritarianism OR economic monopoly. Nor still am I sympathetic with the social democratic stance of “moderated Capitalism” associated with the American Democrats, or the “New Labour” party of the UK if anyone is familiar with that.

All I know for sure is that in both its former and current forms, I am not a rightist when it comes to the dumb dichotomy. In my view I just don’t accept the change of the dumb dichotomy to its seeming current conception. What is now seen as left in my view can be quite easily contained within what formerly used to be considering the right. This is the simplest solution in my eyes.

I was talking about social rules, pc type behavioral rules, the humility to the group goals in the more traditional communist/socialist goals, and the like. Not economics.

There were hippy type lefties and I am sure they exist still, who are much more live let live, and tend towards the left on a range of political issues. (even these have rules about not getting angry, not being serious, sattvic vs. rajasic type judgments, and perhaps judgemental of anything normal - iow not fully live let live - but these types are not the most vocal or even seemingly common these days. I am not sure which side of the pond you are on, but I have seen it in the UK and the US both.

Sure, but even those lefties who understood the problems with the USSR and China, still ran meetings, social events, conversations, with similar (though vastly less dangerousn and pernicious ideas). Sacrifice to the greater good of society or the proletariat. A kind of humility. Seeing many behaviors as either bougeois or too individualistic. IOW you could be against gulags and dictatorships, but still have a pc culture that had a lot of stated and unstated rules. And I often found it unpleasant, even if my politics might be similar on many issues.

Well, I wouldn’t assume that. I was not talking about all leftists, but certain trends.

But you are correct, some people are going to take it that way.

I find it utterly ridiculous how liberals get caste as radical lefties, when nearly every liberal politician is what would have been considered far to the right on economics these days. Nixon’s policies, many of them, would be viewed as communist now. The neocons have been successfully pushing things to the right economically for decades. Liberal politicians make lefty noises but they are corporate puppets just like the right wing ones.

The intentional obfuscation between left and right is brought to light by Noam Chomsky here:

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As far as socialism is concerned that term has been so evacuated of content over the last century that it’s hard even to use. I mean the Soviet Union, for example, was called a socialist society and it was called that by the two major propaganda operations in the world: the US, the Western one, and the Soviet one; they both called it socialism for opposite reasons: the West called it socialism in order to defame socialism by associating it with this miserable tyranny and the Soviet Union called it socialism in order to gain whatever benefit from the moral appeal that true socialism had among large parts of the general world population, but this was about as remote from socialism as you can imagine. The core notion of at least traditional socialism is that working people have to be in control of production and communities have to be in control of their own lives and so on. The Soviet Union was the exact opposite of that: working people had no control over anything; they were virtual slaves and the collapse of the Soviet Union is, in fact, a small victory for socialism in my opinion; it eliminated one of the major barriers to it and should have been recognized as such, but the term has become so meaningless that it’s hard even to use.

Red Scare

A “Red Scare” is promotion of widespread fear by a society or state about a potential rise of communism, anarchism, or radical leftism. The term is most often used to refer to two periods in the history of the United States with this name. The First Red Scare, which occurred immediately after World War I, revolved around a perceived threat from the American labor movement, anarchist revolution and political radicalism. The Second Red Scare, which occurred immediately after World War II, was preoccupied with national or foreign communists infiltrating or subverting U.S. society or the federal government. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare

Political ideologies exist as a dichotomy and the fact that the lines are blurred is a direct result of coordinated efforts to blur them.

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT
Address Accepting the Presidential Nomination at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago July 02, 1932

There are two ways of viewing the Government’s duty in matters affecting economic and social life. The first sees to it that a favored few are helped and hopes that some of their prosperity will leak through, sift through, to labor, to the farmer, to the small business man. That theory belongs to the party of Toryism, and I had hoped that most of the Tories left this country in 1776. presidency.ucsb.edu/documen … -chicago-1

(And the Tories are still donning their Redcoats and utilizing their RedScare tactics straight from the Goebbels’ playbook of accusing the other side of what they’re doing and it’s really ironic that the most robotically patriotic americans have been totally taken in by that. They are supporting, dogmatically, bullheadedly, ignorantly, the philosophies of the very enemy that was driven out the day this country became Free which makes their own patriotism is the most treasonous crime imaginable.)

There are two ways: either control is consolidated or control is spread out to the people. The labels we put on these ways are arbitrary.

  1. Free-market laissez faire will result in consolidation of power lest the people make for themselves a government to stop it.

  2. Governments themselves can cause consolidations of power by dictatorian/authoritarian rule.

There are two ways to the same end.

Peter Joseph gets it:

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