The seat

Aside from not being able to give birth, I think men are the more creative, and destructive sex for that matter, women are more the preservative/sustentative sex.
Creative people are risk takers.
They dare to be different, stand out, stray from the beaten path.
experiment, observe and interpret, as opposed to relying on second hand info.
Men are risk takers, they prefer to learn things hands on, women are risk averse, they prefer to do things by the book.
That’s why more women attend church and school, whereas more men entrepreneur.

Well, honestly I am waiting for more research. But I thought it was interesting and kind of disturbing. The research below does not all fit perfectly together, but I was not using deduction, but rather working with what they seem to be finding out.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1938141
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1778236
huffingtonpost.com/nigel-ba … ccounter=1

Though it’s good to be exposed to testosterone in the womb for creativity…

psypost.org/2014/07/artists … inds-26249

Totally.

Creativity is risk taking.

And:

Actually what this research says is that when testosterone levels dropped species-wide, there came a greater level of cooperation.

Meaning that creative people had more of an impact, because their ideas where shared. Its not indicated at any level that specimen-specific low testosterone correlates to high creativity.

Fake science!

That was just what that piece was focused on. The others focus on saliva tests of creative vs. non-creative people and findings that people who are more androgenous, testosterone-wise, are more likely to be creative. That is, woman with more than average, men with less.

I don’t think this is even possible. Creation is risk taking, thats just a fact.
I have very high testosterone and Im always creating.

I think these scientists are in the dark about what creation is. Probably they mean people who cut out ribbons and tie them to balloons, not philosophers or great artists or great scientists.

I definitely agree that a man who is creative like whats talked about here must have ultra low testosterone levels.

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But lets not agree that these guys with no testosterone have any ground to know what creativity is.

You know, in many classes it is recommended to be creative with mathematics, or arithmetic, find creative ways of seeing if 2 plus 2 is maybe 6, or 473289, because you have a creative reason. Thats real in our education system. And thats low or no testosterone, clearly.

Bu the catch is, it doesn’t create anything. It just turns the mind of the children to useless putty.

All I know is that Lauren Faust is one of the best artists, if not the best, of our times.

I stated earlier I was talking mostly about art. When you say “I create a lot” it sounds like building. Testosterone boosts mental energy to a certain extent. I would say testosterone causes boredom and the inability to settle.

As for your artistic merits, if your avatar was drawn by you then you are a good artist, if not, then its just your word then, until you show us something you’ve made.

I had to look up Lauren Faust, okay but thats a girl. I do think girls with more testosterone could be more creative than those with less. That half of the theory is still possibly plausible. Besides girls have different skills for psychology and sensitivity so they can make different art which men can’t make. For me storytelling is often well done by women. Men are often too cynical to build a whole world without also shitting in it. The dramatic arc in a womans soul can be the best thing in the world. But I wouldn’t just say “oh she has hight testosterone”. I can sooner say it is up to literally every single piece of that artist. The whole makeup. Not just one chemical.

Yeah that fits. Building is the main line of the path. theres arts involved like in the building of a cathedral but getting the structure right gives the thrills.

The picture is not mine, but I appreciate it. If what I make matters you’ll see it. If you won’t see it it will turn out I am not as good as I think. Im a firm capitalist.

All of it, including being nothing; shedding the flesh and becoming ‘selfless’. Femininity can be masculine when viewed from another angle, can be viewed as homosexuality in a male while masculinity can be viewed as lesbianics in females; like hooked on phonics; and the seat of creativity is just what we do with all the pain of not knowing and everything else as its passed around. Creativity and the ‘seat’… what of when there aren’t any seats or not enough seats? who gets creative then?

Well said man.

I’m a very creative person - have no idea what my testosterone levels are - and yes, there is a certain kind of risk taking involved, but it feels unlike that when I take risks in sports or in nature.
I experience it as much more open and relaxed than physical or any aggressive type testosterone moments.
Sure, there is a strong assertiveness, sometimes in the process.
You have to be willing to really be yourself.
But I would not sum up creation as risk-taking. Not in any traditional sense of the word. In creativity, I find, you cannot be restless and impatient, at least not as a rule. An occasional frustrated shitfight, that’f fine and to be expected, creating something great is very hard work. But I experience more as letting stuff come in that is not habit and I think high testosterone states run on imprinting and habit.
I do want to see more research before I buy the theory.

I bet your testosterone levels are pretty high.

I think hunting and warring is all about improv and letting things come.

WEll, my sense is that coming from you this is a compliment, so thanks.

Yeah I was just reflecting on the way you engage opponents. Like youre not afraid to take a few hits. For example, Iambiguous has a low level Im pretty sure.

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I would think that when you are in the process or the throes of being or doing something creative, your testosterone levels will go down or diminish. The libido is the seat of creativity ~ sexual energy dwindles as creativity is enacted (for lack of a better word). But perhaps it is also more of an ebb and a flow - the more one uses, the more it dwindles but at the same time, energy does beget energy.

What kind of risk taking is involved in creating ~ unless it is a political work of art or text, like speaking out against grave injustice? Martin Luther King’s I Have a Dream is definitely a work of art and anyone who believes otherwise is deaf, blind and dumb.

What do sports have to do with creativity? Wouldn’t that be more in the realm of strategies and the like?

You have to be open to allow the unconscious to interface with your consciousness. That sublimates the physical and the aggression so that that sexual energy can be spent for the creative.

You mean to allow it all to fly free in a way?

I think there is experienced risk taking as part of any creative process, since you have to break out of habits. You are staking new ground and yourself based on it. You are trying to create something beautiful or aesthetic in some new way which opens you to failure, even if it is only in your own eyes. You are also problem solving during creative acts, and this also again opens you to failure in your own eyes - and potentially others. If you are not creative, but working on something, you can follow the rules, do what one is supposed to, adhere to good guidelines, etc. No personal responsibility in choices. Follow the guidelines. That is a form of emotional safety. And, of course, there are many things I am not particularly creative about also. Nothing wrong with certain habits. But creativity demands finding your own line.

In the context of testosterone, where hunting, fighting might get categorized and sports are a modern way of using the same kinds of energies.

You mean to allow it all to fly free in a way?
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The fact you have to take into account is that we are nothing, literally nothing if not instruments of creation. I had this vision all too clearly once when I bit into the spine of a chicken. There is no meaning, this no identity or consciousness except for the continuum of forth-bringing. Not the continuum of events or causes, but of that ravenous experience of bringing forth the next moment from ones perspective. I think the sap in trees and the blood in animals is of the same substance as the hands of the gifted artist and the wisdom of the effective act in general.

Testosterone is just one of the chemicals that serves the same purpose as everything else in creation. Perpetuation of the process. Creating onward. Nothing is given, we make it all. Most of us do it largely in our sleep, where we make up for the stupid and horrendous errors of working for corporations, destructive acts that we compensate for in the work of our dreams.

The wiser to consequence we get, the more our waking life is like a dream; fundamentally creative and never driven by lack, a direct confrontation of the moment with the rest of the life, past and future.

Too few people are given such life, rock n roll is an ode to it but no means to it - I call it philosophy, given that the love of wisdom is itself wise. Politics has to obey it for the world to know it.

People find escape from this reality in each others nightmares.

you’re so close. Maybe you’ll get there in your next life.