Great, I agree that given many of the things you say, the word would be strange for you to use. It seemed implicit in statement you made to me, but now I know that
for you it is possible that I do not have existential contraptions that comfort me. That you do not know why I am not in your hole.
I got that. And now we know that you do not assume that my not being in the hole is based on an argument or contraption. I do not have an argument to get you out of your hole and I am not in a state of not being in that hole due to convincing myself of something. There is no contraption that keeps me out of the hole.
Great. Those of us who are non-objectivists are not inevitably doing anything. You do not assume we have some contraption that lifts us out of your hole. Fine. We are in agreement. WE don’t know why we are different, AND you are not assuminG you know.
It could have been a miscommunication problem. Now, here, in this thread, you have made very clear statements that you do not assume this.
I am glad I brought this out clearly in its own thread, and found a way to frame it so that you did in fact make a clear statement.
Oh look, here is one of those examples. Here you are telling me I have this contraption. This is one of the types of statements where it seems like you can simply assume I have a contraption that gets me out of your hole. Perhaps you can see how I drew the wrong conclusion, even if you never meant it the way I took it.
It seemed like you were saying I had some contraption that did those things. I don’t, and in this post you have made it clear you do not assume I have these kinds of contraptoins.
For you not having objective morals and being away that your position is based on dasein/inborn nature puts you in a hole. It doesn’t do that to me.
Then [in my view] straight back up into the clouds of abstraction:
I don’t have an answer for you. I don’t know what you need to not be in your hole or to feel better about dealing with others around conflicting values. A lot of my reactions to you are saying ‘no, I don’t do that’ ‘no, there is no special argument that…’. I am not in your hole. I can not explain why that is the case. Perhaps if I had been in that hole and pulled myself out with some mental process, then I could. But that is not the case.
You have made it clear above that you do not assume I have some comforting contraption that keeps me out of the hole. Great.
Oh, I can root them in those things also. Of course my preferences are influenced by what I have experienced and my genetics. I am very influenced by what I have gone through.
It seems like I am less fragmented. I don’t feel any urge to describe myself that way and I do not think I am in a hole. I have been, though not in the one you are in. It is very hard for me to know why I am not like you. Or why I am not reacting the same way you do to the lack of objective values.
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There, you said it. I have a contraption that keeps me out of the hole.
And you are making my pragmatism into something it is not. You are a pragmatist. You want an answer to your question. You have decided to use ILP as a way to reach out to people to get answers. You need food, you do whatever you do to determine that. I don’t know the range of your activities but you are a pragmatist also. My pragmatism does not give me solace. I have goals and problems and I try to fix them.
STOP SAYING I HAVE A CONTRAPTION THAT KEEPS ME OUt OF YOU HOLE.
I certainly have never said that my pragmatism lifts me out of the hole. It seems like you do think you can get inside my mind.
I have preferences, I am practical in relation to them. My pragmatism does not justify them or make me feel ok. It is what I, and you for that matter, do. We try to figure out how to avoid X, get Y, etc. Objectivists are pragmatists, and then they also have additional stuff. All creatures are pragmatists. It has nothing to do with my not being in your hole.
SO STOP TELLING ME THAT A CONTRAPTION HAS LIFTED ME OUT OF YOUR HOLE. Since you acknowledge in this last post that people can react in different ways to things, given their particular dasein and in born natures, STOP ALWAYS ASSIGNING ME A CONTRAPTION.
Maybe it takes contraptions to get in the hole, I don’t know. Animals seem not to get in this hole and pragmatically work for their preferences.
Maybe my genetics lead me not to be bothered by what you are bothered by.
I have no idea.
But since you claim above that you don’t know…
STOP SAYING THAT THIS OR THAT IN ME IS SOME KIND OF CONTRAPTIONS THAT LIFTS ME OUT OF THE HOLE.
I think we need to pare down this discussion. Perhaps when I explain what I do, you take it as an argument or as ‘this is why I don’t feel bad or in a hole’. So I will keep this very simple from here on out.
My posts will likely be some form of: is it possible I do not have a contraption that soothes me and keeps me from your hole?