"Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Overlooking the google results for this Gesell, he seems to talk about natural orders an socialism.

This is still in the master slave disorder. Just that nature is seen as master. Anarchists are smarter than communists, but not smart enough to break free.

Yes he uses the term socialism and he also wasn’t very explicit about the nature of free land although his idea of free money had some remarkable novelties that rendered usury type of parasitism impotent.

Ah, well, I guess everyone who was ever put up as a theorist of promise had hidden puppet strings manipulating him or her, indeed that’s why they got any mention in the press at all.

Popular realization about the nature of master/slave disorder could be the solution [1].

It is the most classic form of mental disorder (domestication). Support for this disorder (and efforts for its rationalization) can be seen everywhere, traditional academia, corporations, the state…

The state should only exist to protect individuals against groups and preemptively disintegrate groups to discourage groupism (= master/slave disorder), because if we say “no state” like the anarchists, that still leaves room for an undeclared state (large group) to blanket individuals and bind them into servitude.

Thus the theory of ideal state, and the nature of state, and (epigenetically induced) mental disease (domestication) in the masses, are directly related.

The problem at hand is delicate:

How to prevent the anti-groupist state from becoming groupist itself? Considering the human’s inherent predisposition for groupism because of genetic trace of domestication? (As Tolkien said about Morgoth and men)

Even someone as unreliable as Marx had superficially addressed this question (maybe explains his lasting popularity).

It needs open offices to be staffed by the most individualistic [2] individuals on a rotating basis (small tenure of say 3 months, similar to compulsary 2-year military service, everyone has to do (anti-groupist) policing duty once in a while, for example… “expertise”/specialisation is overstated).

Maybe this is the structure of state that can discourage the human tendency to collapse into master/slave disorder.

They have glass walled houses for reality TV shows, but we need glass walls and public-accessible CCTV feed eyes on corporate top management and all government buildings (with the reasoning that groups plotting in secret is a public hazard).

So much for the theory of ideal government.
The theory of correct economics, on the other hand, seems very simple, just print money and give it to people who do (provably necessary, logical) things like reforestation, animal repopulation etc., the kind of stuff that is really needed rather than bubbles hyped by ignorance. This can be the only acceptable form of universal basic income (say you get this money for 20 hours a week at your convenience, of doing such activities) or money creation/distribution.

1] youtube.com/watch?v=OdhBRSF6fIE)

2] how to select the most individualistic individuals? Get them to play complex computer games, and other games, and whoever wins, is such. This is in fact the method invented by Zeus when Zeus made the Olympic Games, which was actually a front for Hercules selection.

That seems somewhat untennable. How can state be the solution for state?

Better a positive for then a negative against. It is probably idealized against that gave rise to master slave in the first place.

Fun can be had with state, without state, with parasites, without parasites. It sets its own direction. It recognizes no masters exept in the kung fu sense and no slaves except willing slaves. And anyway, bossing slaves around is no fun.

What I mean when i say “state” is simply an understanding among all individuals, that if any 2 of us gang up against the rest (as in marriage), or many against the rest – if master/slave disorder is spotted – that will be contained by others.

(and all are “police” in this limited sense and apart from that, it’s Crowley’s “do as thou wilt” (without coming in the way of others who’re also similarly free, which will be facilitated by all; there is no specific police etc., that’s just a forerunner of corruption)

Because nobody is supposed to psychologically dominate susceptible people, all are supposed to be individualistic, and if some are doing this, it is a common threat to all.

And then, some structure is needed to uphold economic policy, but even that should be open/broadcasted to all eyes…

But nothing much of a state apart from this seems to be justifiable…

Maybe i shouldn’t use the term state but a contract. What we need is a new universal constitution on these lines. The American founding fathers made a start, nobody’s ever continued on it.

That’s no fun. If people gang up against me, that actually sounds fun. That’s a great game. Rules will only weaken my ability to act.

And cramp my joy.

There is no “group” of individuals. Only alliances which are fun and bound by nothing but that they are fun.

If there’s no state-like structure (only to protect the individual against herds) – individualists, who’re kind to all and do their own thing and have little ability to get alone with or be in herds (a classic example is myself), will be picked off, in their sleep, one by one, as already happens at places… and herdism will prevail. Earth will become the next Mars, a desert planet. It sounds like fun but is not.

The problem, or disease of the state, is when the state becomes everything except that, and ultimately becomes a servant of the herds/lobbyists.

The ancient Egyptians already spoke of it:
“When the governing class is not chosen for quality it is chosen for material wealth: this always means decadence for a society to reach”.- (Karnak Temple)

Would you not count the activities of the Board of members of Enron or any corrupt company, say monsanto, as an alliance of people having fun? You think it is acceptable? I, probably not. But if you mean true fun rather than sadistic pseudo-fun, or parasitic hyper-consumption (white collar crime kind of disguised exploitation or quasi-slavery) pretending as fun as a desperate attempt at rationalization, I would agree.

I don’t know. You’re kind of loosing me.

Like a perfect Zeusist fascist regime?

I don’t think the people at Enron were having a lot of fun. One of the guys killed himself.

And anyway, faliure isn’t very much fun. The whole thing was a house of cards. How weak!

From what I’ve heard, Enron was a supremely stressful and abusive workplace. Everyone hated it. Was the top guy having fun?

That’s on the idiots who worked for him or with him. Not on him. He was just doing his thing! But I don’t think he was, because it was not a sustainable company and didn’t grow and was deatined to fall.

Madoff was having fun early on. But then he made a false move and suddenly he was just struggling fir his family not to lose everything. But it wasn’t fun.

So it can’t have been very fun from the start, because faliure was an option. He grew faster than he could cope. That’s not fun. That’s stressful.

So no, I don’t think it’s healthy to protect fun, because if it needs protecting then it was never fun to begin with. It’s healthy to breed fun, to teach it and show it.

Young rap artists are already doing this for business oriented adults.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPTlvQ1Zet0[/youtube]

Haha.

Do you think Musk is still having fun?

Yeah, where is this threshold? Very important, where success turns from a lightness into a weight.

Arnand is probably also referring to things like referees in sports. Is that not a legitimate protection of fun?
But then the fun of sports is very limited.

A lot of those guys did much better in the 2008 debacle. Here they lived high for a long time and then got out and got other jobs. I think people tend to confuse mania with fun. Often in falling in love, for that matter. A denial of the driving underlying panic. No wonder a lot of the players were drawn to cocain, the mania chemical.

The ‘see’ their lives and possessions, they talk positive, they have high energy and their feet are not on the ground. A few flighty steps ahead of the terror.

It’s be nice if they faced the consequences of their own idiocy as much other other people must.

These guys don’t have a thing, so they become dopamine junkies, instead of facing their own lack of creativity or…and rush ahead into empty shit.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6HEWobwgAo[/youtube]

The pandemic has issued in an era of teleconferences. We no longer have to see our psychiatrists or counselors face to face. Is this the beginnings of robot psychiatry? Is the same therapy available via voice without a face? We are charged as if it is.