There's no such thing as Transexuals

I know you identified yourself as “Gloominary” when you signed up here, but I’m going to call you Poopyface. You are entitled to think of yourself as “Gloominary”, but, by your reasoning, you aren’t entitled to have me perceive you as anything other than Poopyface if that’s how I perceive you, and, apparently, you aren’t entitled to complain that I have chosen to call you Poopyface, despite that any reasonable observer would guess that you would prefer not to be called Poopyface.

This is an admittedly and intentionally juvenile spin on what it seems like you’re doing. There is no law, nor should there be, that says that when you tell me your name is John, I am prohibited from responding, “No, I think I’ll call you Mike instead, Mike’s a much better name for you than John.” There should be no such law. But we need no such law, people grant to others the dignity of the name they offer. If someone says they are John, then we take them at their word and call them John. I’ve met many people who go by a name that isn’t their given name and isn’t their legal name, and yet it is still obvious to me, and seems obvious to everyone I’ve seen them interact with, that the name they indicate as the name they’d prefer to be called is the name that it is polite to call them.

The parallel with sex is not exact, but it is importantly similar. Men and women occupy different social roles, not just different sexual roles, and we can think of these differences separately. We know that a transwoman will not menstruate or get pregnant, but insofar as these sorts of considerations are irrelevant, where sex serves only the social purpose of signaling how we treat someone and how we expect them to behave in non-sexual and non-reproductive settings, to self-identify and present as a certain sex should be accorded the same courtesy as we accord the decision to introduce oneself by a particular name or to, through style of dress or grooming, to identify oneself as a member of some subculture.

This includes the use of gendered bathrooms (though they be a relic of a much more prudish past). To the extent there is a harm presented, police the harm, not the poor proxy for an expectation of harm. If someone is actually attacking or harassing people in a bathroom, the sex of the people involved is roughly irrelevant. There is no epidemic of abuse of these policies, and the places where self-selection is most respected, and where transsexuals are most prevalent, there is no attendant increase in the sorts of negative behaviors that critics claim as motivation. This charge is bullshit, and clearly ad hoc.

So recognize people as a matter of basic manners. You aren’t making a biological claim when you treat someone as the gender with which they identify, and you most likely won’t have an opportunity to test whether they have the genitals or genetic basis to backup their claimed identity. But in the same way you won’t ask someone for their license or birth certificate, and would likely respect their proffered named even if you did find that it didn’t match their birth or legal name, you should respect peoples other choices of self-identity.

I know I have seen you on here shilling for Fleshlight, so I feel like the fakeness of the vagina can’t have much to do with it.

Carleas, if I may, perhaps it is not so much the fakeness as the fact that it is made of scrotum.

To me personally, that’s a very compelling case.

Also a fleshlight is just fancy masturbation, while a manufactured dent on a man means you put your johnson in a dude. Maybe that’s cool with you. Not judging. But it is not on the face of it altogether so crazy that a man may feel disinclined. Or maybe you don’t distinguish sex and masturbation?

I say this all as a proud friend of a transsexual. I love the guy. But it’s fucking creepy to think of the sex he has (he somehow does get pussy).

More power to em. But to pretend it’s not fucking weird…

I might add, I knew him before and after hormone treatment. Before he was a sweet girl still who was fun as a guy. We talked for long whiles as he still had thr multitrack mind of a girl. But I can’t say we’re very close anymore. Testosterone for a girl… they take it a little more to heart than men.

I think of him as a he as a politeness, those little lies we accept for the sake of the friendship. But before hormones, I would often get him to explicitly side with girl mentality. He is of above average intelligence and sensitivity (down the drain tho after the hormones) so maybe he is just a more human example than most.

In general I am for all and any forms of pretend. As long as you don’t impose or expose your creepy to me.

I can see an old lady with new implants… you cant do that to the Van Buren.
Just get a chick half your age and die before she gets old.

So Carleas, it’s polite to enable the delusions of the mentally ill trans? Encourage all delusions to be PC since it’s their call. If the adult identifies as a infant and enjoys wearing just a diaper…encourage that with baby talk.

So if I prefer to be called, and thought of as Native Canadian, even tho I’m not, because it’s my ‘social role’, presumably that’s okay with you?
And if I get a race change, and legally update my status to Native Canadian, so I can collect benefits and join the reservation, that’s okay with you too?

At no time is a persons physiology completely irrelevant.
We interact with women differently, not just because of their minds, but because of their bodies, we’re less inclined to be rough with them, we’re more inclined to get things for them and so on.

A persons psychology is shaped by their physiology and neurology. Try as he may, a man with a fundamentally male body and brain will never know what it’s like to feel and think like a woman, nor will he be able to behave as such. You think like somehow we can just magically separate psychology from physiology and neurology.

Reality doesn’t work like that, but even if it could, again, just because you say, you have a fully female psychology, doesn’t mean you do.
Names like Joe, Jack, Patrick, Peter and Poopyface don’t actually refer to anything, and so they’re meaningless, in these contexts what’s important is consistency and civility, but man and woman refer to something a person is supposed to have, in a strict, biological sense, or perhaps in a looser, psychological sense, just like openminded, closeminded, extroversion, introversion, agreeableness and disagreeableness and so on are supposed to refer to qualities a person has, and so just because you claim to possess such qualities, doesn’t mean you actually posses them, and you shouldn’t be called by things you don’t posses, because it’s confusing, and misleading.

And now faxuwomen are joining women’s sports, endangering women’s lives, and placing them at a disadvantage.

I haven’t seen any data on faxuwomen and crime, so I can’t comment.
But it seems to me, because faxuwomen are essentially, men, women are more likely to be sexually harassed and assaulted if we allow men to be with them when they’re at their most vulnerable.

Faxuwomen represent a tiny portion of the population (less than 1%, and of those many may still choose to use the men’s restrooms, reducing the figure even further), so permitting them to use the women’s restrooms mightn’t, visibly increase sexual harassment and assaults, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t increasing them, it might just mean it’s falling under the radar.
In all likelihood, putting people who’re essentially men, many of whom are heterosexuals with masculine libidos and physiques, with women when they’re at their most vulnerable, will increase the likelihood of spying, sexual harassment, assault and so on, however slightly, on account of their slight population.

LOLOLOLOL fleshlights aren’t made of old scrotums.

Of course this is the better option, but hey you can paint an old car and make it better. Maybe not as good as a new car, but better at least.

I’ve suggested no such thing. Rather, I think there is a fully consistent and reality-based understanding of sex as a social fact distinct from its biological facts, and that it is not delusional to prefer to have a social sex different from ones biological sex, and to modify ones body to better present their preferred social sex.

To your first question, yes. To your second, in which you ask the same question but wrap it in the questionable practice of extant race-based discrimination, I think the issue comes in through the race-based discrimination, and not through granting someone’s sincere conviction that they are best understood socially as whatever they present themselves to be.

We seem to have no problem with hair dye, colored contacts, fake tans, shaving or waxing, plastic surgery, etc., despite those body modifications being undertaken for their social effects and denying the physiological reality of genetic traits and aging in the same sense that a sex change denies a physiological reality of biological sex.

I take this as a retraction of your prior claim:

Men shouldn’t refer to themselves as women, and vice versa, it’s confusing, and deceptive.

A heterosexual man, or lesbian may become interested in a fauxwoman and pursue them, only to find out later he’s really a man, and lose interest, wasting time and energy in the process.
Now most of the time you can tell faxuwomen from real women, but not always.

Fauxsexuals are charlatans, imposters, and mentally ill.

…find out in the bedroom which gets the fauxsexual beat up or killed, especially by hetro men who have no mercy on the delusional, mentally disturbed. It would be nice if science put this issue to rest regarding the psychology of the fauxsexual mind, but as you said science pussyfoots around these issues not wanting to set reality rightside up.

Good points.

You are not entitled to an accurate description of anyone else’s genitals.

Ah, so you’re denying people the dignity of defining their own social identity and demanding that they be stigmatized as insane and outcast for their own safety. How compassionate. I would guess the people themselves would prefer you let them worry about that.

This sounds like an express rejection of science, since you seem only to be willing to entertain how science comes down on this if the conclusion matches your preconceptions, i.e. “It would be nice if science would confirm what I already believe without good evidence.” If science finds differences in transsexuals’ brains and hormone balance, the existence of intersex individuals of various kinds, the existence of transsexuals in non-human primates, etc., you will reject it as biased. Deja vu.

According to Carleas, a child pretending to be an alligator, is an alligator and should be kept in a swamp in a zoo. Likewise, a child pretending to be a criminal, ought to be thrown in jail. All moderns are what they say they are. And if you don’t participate in the charades, if you don’t encourage this social malady, then you are ill yourself.

It’s not just a social identity Carleas which is your hangup, not ours. You mean leave it to the liars then spend tax dollars sorting out the mess when they get murdered for lying? No thanks.

If the scientists are lying liberals themselves or fauxsexuals, damn right I’ll reject it.

lol @ lying liberal scientists