"Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

The relation between depression and intelligence, I believe, comes because the person doesn’t accept that the things that bother him or her are important.

The day I decided to admit they were important was the day I became free. But still I was depressed because I was so alienated from these problems from pretending for so long that they weren’t important. I had to acquaint myself with them, do in little time what my body expected me to be doing the whole time. And then one day before I knew it I was happy.

Takes time and hard work.

Also I had to work on my other disease, drug addiction, which feeds so well from depression. That’s just a matter of drugs affect me more deeply than none addicts, tangling that power up with avoiding pain finally triggered the addiction, where drugs are more fundamental to me than happiness or anything. So I can’t use them anymore, and the way to quit them is a trip. I guess healing from both diseases came hand in hand. Leaving depression gave me the reason and quitting drugs the means.

Along the way a lot of magic and beauty which effects are still unfolding. It was all worth it. Goddamn I’m a lucky man.

Anyway, I gave my prescription for depression, but for drug addiction it’s more.complicated, to do with more basic neural pathways, so you really need professionals. I say go with tecovered or recovering addicts that channel or become professionals, so AA and rehabs that use the Minnesota method.

I can say it’s worth it. I even feel lucky for the pain I felt.

As I was being driven off to the airport bound for my rehab in Venezuela, Fixed Cross called. I told him “it begins.” Maybe he didn’t know what I meant, even though I had talked about it. I meant the project of health.

Perhaps because of this, and so we teach ourselves by tapping into what’s inherently/innately within… I guess that is why I have felt that I am not here to teach, but to experience experiences.

Is it real if someone has to be taught the non-conceptualised?

My mother, a fan of dog training, says she has become convinced that dogs do not require training, dog owners do.

In the same way, I don’t think children should be taught. It is rather adults.

My depression begins here:

and ends here, as mine was due to an overwhelming neurological-flooring illness, which I now have under control by exercising 3: Cries for help :stuck_out_tongue:

But yes… you are right, in that once the situation is accepted, then recovery and/or healing become options, but oh what a hurdle to have to pass. :neutral_face:

…and do you feel health(ier)?

Why are Venezuelans so beautiful/attractive? Is your mother beautiful and your father attractive?

Do not infant innate qualities still need guiding? the terrible twos are testament to that. :laughing:

I sincerely believe all a child needs from adults is love and freedom. But adults have to be trained to give that.

I believe excercice is key. I like long walks uphill myself. Uphill if possible.

I do feel a whole lot healthier. Health maybe just meaning I am happy with what I got.

Lol I don’t know.

Coming out of hippie-central and having been close to a family where the children supposedly were free to teach the parents, I report that one of them is dead, the next is a the quintessence of dishonourableness, and the third has transgendered.

You now what the problem is? Parents may claim they want the child to take control but as soon as it makes a slight move out of their comfort zone, they traumatize it with their horrified turning away. Because you see, far worse for a kid than it being forbidden stuff by harsh parents, is to be made to understand viscerally and without ever any explanation that its natural tendencies are abject.

Nay, I say the parents cant voluntarily set themselves up to be taught.

The best they can do is teach the child what they know to be valuable, and prepare for when the day comes that the child will enforce its teachings on them. If it happens they can be proud for being deemed personally, not just biologically, worthy of their offspring.

It is likely that the only thing a child can truly come to know is that which it was never told.

Lol I didn’t say anything about voluntarily.

Parents can’t avoid being force-taught though.

What, if anything, would you change from how it goes in the West now?

Love and (only enough) freedom (to grow), which adults have been learning from their forebears for eons… passed down from generation to generation.

I like short walks… on a flat plane… on a cool and cloudy day :laughing: Long walks and my energy levels ain’t friends Pedro. :angry-nono:

Maybe good health and happiness are one… I myself am happy on good days, and not on bad days… which are now thankfully lessening.

I hope I didn’t make you blush with that last question. 8-[ I’m just very observational, is all…

Lol you did make me blush. Inside.

I don’t like generation to generation argume ts. Obviously some important things are handed down that way but also some crazy ass bullshit.

I don’t mind bad days. After they are over, of course. They are good opportunities to put my health skills to the test. And they make me stronger, so good days are even more meaningful.

Lol not everyone likes the same exercice I guess. I was recommended something cardiovascular, get the heart beating, by rehab, so that’s what I tried first and it turned out to be nigh miraculous. A good walk puts everything in its place for me.

Fixed Cross

I think first and foremost, adults need to be taught what it means to have fun again.

“They cannot calm down their mind” – very important thing to say.
This is indeed the classic psychological disorder. Little more needs to be said. I explore the dopaminergic aspects of depression in my video.

The most insightful is the link between high noise component in neuro-activity in depression, and the symptom of minds incapable of calmness:
imgur.com/gallery/qkEbulK

You can see the extended derivation:
youtu.be/OdhBRSF6fIE?t=11m9s

In the case of Tobacco, a dopaminergic vicious cycle is raging that makes the person reach for a cig. Similarly for alcohol or in general “dope” as defined below:. It is not a “I WANT this“ for my health but the mental autopilot impelling the person to reach for cigs or booze, in case of abusable substances called “dope” among which marijuana CANNOT be counted since it has a primarily Norepinephrine-boosting effect rather than dopamine boosting affect which is the necessity if a substance is abusable “dope” … dope is addictive, weed is not dope, and weed is not addictive in the dope" type of addiction — combat dope, rather than taking a “drugs” misdefinition for an idiotic zombie policy and throwing the baby (weed) out with the bathwater (“drugs” misdefinition, dope nevertheless always smashes in). So what is dope? Whatever boosts DOPaminergic systems, is dope.

Cigs and drugs (apart from weed) can be called addictions since 1. The user does not choose of his own free will (as in marijuana) to start this substance; instead, they cig/coke addiction linked dopamine bio systems biochemically impel the user to reach out for the substance; the chemical imbalance (nicotine low etc.) neuro-electrically impels the owner’s psychosystems to reach out for more of dope, thus it is not a conscious choice. So it is not so much about “user” than (brain) ”used”. It is logical to use the term “dope” for nicotine & coca/cocaine and to cite a classic case, opiates, about which is said: “ Research suggests that stimulation of opiate receptors by morphine results in feelings of reward and activates the pleasure circuit by causing greater amounts of dopamine to be released within the nucleus accumbens.” — but not for weed, because “dope”-class drugs stimulate the dopamine systems whereas weed stimulates the functionally opposite Norepi systems; weed relaxes dopa systems towards baseline, so it is not “dope” (dopamine (stimulation) type of substance). On the other hand, heroin, cocaine/coke, and cigs are all “dope”. 2. In the long run, drugs apart from weed critically destabilize systems if they are removed from body system (whereas in weed only a (barely) tolerable inefficacy induction in systems for all systems is seen, in other drugs inc. cigs and alcohol it is major, as a general rule)*

When you quit weed… What happens is that all bodily systems come back to the “normal” (without weed) i.e. inefficient level. You have a very minor insomnia for less than a week and your immunity is rocked with a slight nasal congestion perhaps. And you feel bad for a few days. But then you reconcile with the no-weed life and grudgingly accept the relatively dreary existence which most (who dont smoke weed) undergo. It is not so colourful, that’s why you want weed as a nutrient and must legalize it. Smoking marijuana is like drinking water (nutrient input), whereas smoking cigarettes is the dfefinition of ADDICTION, comparable to throwing fuel into a fire in the brain (that can be present in non cig smokers too e.g. depression, baldness, dementia patients, ocd, people addicted to dangerous levels of nosiness and rote muggation etc). There is simply no comparison. Of course you will suffer if water is denied to you. and you will therefore seek it, that’s a logical reason why people don’t like to be cut off from marijuana. Of course you can live like a mad monk on little water, but do you want to do it? Similarly, weed users don’t want to be without weed. They can, i have tried, for 6 months, 4 months, after a decade+ of medium-heavy use of weed. But those were the most boring phases of my life, fuck it.
Point 3 qualifying marijuana as a nutrient rather than drug is a permanent increase in efficacy of critical and qualitative body systems (e.g. lungs) is induced by weed unlike with other substances.
Many people are scared of the very idea of smoking weed, seeing it as an unnatural process that exposes the lungs to harm. That idea by itself is absurd, because it is the same basic process as smelling a flower, nothing unnatural about it. Now you wouldn’t want to be smelling toxic flowers, that’s why, keep away from tobacco.

Ref: youtube.com/watch?v=OdhBRSF6fIE

The Taylor Manifest Anxiety Scale (TMAS) is a test of anxiety as a personality trait

I score quite high for anxiety, which is a symptom of my fatigue/fibro, of which there are a few. :stuck_out_tongue:

I am totally the opposite, close to nearly as carefree as can be

"Your score was 3 out of a possible 38.

Scores of 18 and below are indicative of normal anxiety levels."

true, i think the best way to have fun is to stop the shitty jobs and do real work like reforestation, animal repopulation, water cycle rebuilding etc. the main points shown here: drive.google.com/open?id=1xDN7h … l-Bk_btOen)

Why? Because it’s the right thing to do, for mental health stabilization, just plant and smoke weed and do these RIGHT things…
we can have acs, pcs etc., but independent lives, forest & common public workshops are indispensible for mental health of all and to arrest dementia and prevent cancer in people.

Why do we need to stop, move out to the rural from the urbans, and do the right thing?
We have agreed that Mental disease is linked to physical deformity (ugliness) and suboptimal function (e.g. the stunted, stressful life of master/slave disorder (manetho’s disorder) and herdism disorders instead of thriving life as individuals)

So mental disorder is linked to master/slave disorder.
In that context you all know the absurdity of the mainstream.
But most do not.
Most do not understand the stunning overlap between psychopathic and “normal” behaviour.
For example the idea of peddling another man’s labour – which is “normal” in corporate culture – is psychopathy, since it is a form of slavery and the fundamental mental disease has already been described as master/slave disorder/groupism.

People say:

I reply:
Not necessarily, slaves could be well-treated and paid a good amount for recreation in posh societies.

And, if you look at a computer farm where 20 employees are making a product, and the manager (rather than they themselves) sell that product in return for a majestic cut out of the profit – that “pimping”, specifically, is what i analogize with slavery.

en.wikipedia.org/…/Executive_ … ation_in….
(Selling another man’s work)

It is a sort of middlemanship conducive to master/slave disorder, and it is only lightly masked by the traditional white collar excuse (i.e. that the mangement is “teaching” the professionals “something” or “brings “something” to the table”) …

For example, if you look at traditional HR management and their strict rules liek you must wear this badge (refer slave branding) , enter and exit at such times (although it is all justified by “reason” that a herd can only ever dance together), no alternative thinking policy etc., all this is better fitting into the definition “slavery” than anything sophisticated. Sad is the yuppie who takes pride in his wage slavery rather than acknowledging that they must stop and rather do logical things (mostly revolving around reforestation, workshops, true education so that people end up complete people rather than “ageing adolescents” etc.)

They reply to me:

I reply:

Fuck that book (instead, for economics, see drive.google.com/open?id=1A1qxs … myRXIv1Ksg)…

Quitting the job is not an option for the most except for a few lucky ones like me.
I am not talking about classical slavery but the psychological element of slavery being the commonality
the key question is

Is this guy doing what he REALLY* wants to do?
or
Is this guy doing what his wage labour’s purchasers want him to do?

I use the term slavery, you use wage labour but the question’s answer is the same.

  • What is what one REALLY wants to do? The moment you ask that question you leave the realm of absurdity and enter the realm of philosophy and yet 99.999% of people never even ask that question which is the 1 thing we need to remind them.

Got a 6! This rehab shit is magic :wink:.

I think fun cannot ever be about ideology or “the right thing,” overanalysis, these things are anathema to fun.

Fun gives its own directions.

Anxiety is not always caused by external factors… mine is triggered by internal ones, from my body being stressed the fuck out by the symptoms of a chronic illness (the body… not being able to be regulated autonomously, but is instead reliant on constant scanning of the self in order to prioritise it’s everyday bodily functioning, so having to put some/all on hold if need be), which also not surprisingly causes low mood… as I posted prior to this.

…otherwise, my anxiety levels and mood would be great. :wink: