Holy shit, COULD it happen HERE?

K: type in state polls about trump and notice that in every single
state in America, that his polls numbers have dropped since
may 2017 to I think, June 2018… and that includes states that
are reliably red… in every single state in the United States…

so, no, America at large doesn’t “love” IQ45………and his overall
numbers are and have been pretty fixed at 51% negative and 40%
positive… it might fluctuate from month to month, but it usually
hangs around 51% negative… and I might remind you that IQ45 lost
the popular vote by almost 3 million votes… so, he isn’t even very popular,
little less loved…

Kropotkin

Peter, the fact that you still trust the fictional polls says it all. The polls are run by the leftists, thus they’re false. Duh!

K: but I thought the leftist ran Hollywood, or maybe that was the jews,
but Jews seem to be awfully busy running running the world’s economic
system to be involved in some petty movie industry………but wait, I remember
reading about how Shira law was taking over in the United States and how entire cities
was under Shira law and if you weren’t muslim you didn’t go into those area’s but if
Muslims were taking over the United States, what happened to the Jews?
I thought it was the Jews who were taking over the United States…
and I thought it was the liberal elites were were taking over, but wait…
are the liberal elites Jewish or Muslim? I forgot… Maybe the big wall charts you
have that keep track of who is running the world today will tell me who I am
suppose to be against today… Is it the Jews, the liberal, the liberal elitist, the Muslims
or perhaps it the blacks who seem to be taking over… and they are clearly
muslim because anyone who is black is clearly muslim like Obama… who was born
in Kenya or some other foreign nation like Hawaii…or maybe, maybe
it is really the aliens from space how are hiding behind the Jews or was it the liberal elites?
into really running the world and I wonder how the Jews or muslims or whoever is
who think they are running the world is getting their orders from the space aliens who is actually
in charge leaving the Jews or the liberal elite or the muslims to think they are in charge
when it is really the space aliens who are in charge…because we all know
that the moon landings were faked, oh, wait, faked, that is why we have fake news
today because the moon landings were faked in 1969 and that directly lead to
the fake news we are having today… I saw some very suspious activity
in the sky tonight and I am pretty sure it was the jew/liberal/liberal elite/
muslim getting their orders from the space aliens who use lights in the sky to
transmit their orders to earth…

it is all very, very worrisome… I lay in bed at night and wonder how anybody
can sleep when it is so obvious that the space aliens have
taken the polls and turn it against the single greatest man in the history of the
world… Donald, I AM GOD, trump…I heard that Trump can walk on water
but it is the space aliens who control the media, or was it the jews, was it
the libeal elite, anyway, whoever ran the media that keep this wonderful news
from us… how DONALD, I AM GOD, TRUMP can walk on water…it is the aliens
and their fake news that keeps us from hearing about this…the answer is right
in front of you if you weren’t a commie loving, nigger loving, jew loving, space alien loving
traitor to america… it is clear to the rest of us REAL AMERICANS that its the jews,
liberals, liberal elitist, muslim, space aliens that is keeping america down from
from learning the truth about the man who can walk on water…

if only you would become wise and smart like me, you would know the truth…
says wendydarling……

from a Jew loving, nigger loving, liberal elite loving, muslim loving, space alien loving,
unamerican traitor failure…so sad…

Peter you’re not supposed to say the n-word.

K: I am too old to give a shit anymore…
beside in the new Amerika, you got keep everyone down except the old white folks
who own everything, like the Cock brothers and the Waltons…
besides I was just joking and you have my thought and prayers because
I am the victim here anyway and I was misquoted and the media is the enemy
because they are forcing us to go to war with whoever we are fighting with these days,
I can’t remember, Iran or North Korea…………. or whoever and its very important in
the new Amerika that we blame everyone else but ourselves… so I am blaming the
Jew/communist/liberal/liberal elitist/ space alien/niggers/muslims who
are taking away my high tech job and forcing me to live on welfare, if they
only left the country, I could live like a millionaire and be bff with Oprah……

If only…

your space alien loving denigrated white person…

Now my point in this exercise was fairly simple…

to get people to be outraged……

we have become numb to the damage and hurt that the lies
of the right have done…………

my point is to get some outrage… why aren’t you mad?
why aren’t you outraged?

for most people, they just don’t care anymore………
they hide their head and hope the drama will go away…
while they watch their TV shows about Hollywood stars…
instead of getting off their asses and doing something about
the fucking mess the world is in… but to do something,
you first of all, have to become outraged… and I don’t see the outrage…

I had mentioned that my political philosophy has changed… I
now see that the left must fight to protect people rights and lives and their interest
as hard as the right does to take away those rights and lives and interest ……

the left has been far too passive and has allowed the right to walk all over them…
I am fighting back, today with words, and if necessary, tomorrow with fists…….

I say to the left, fight with the same intensity and if necessary, the same violence…
only not to take away the rights of people, but to give the people the rights back……

we can no long afford to be mister nice guy while the right destroys this country…….

not only could it happen here, IT ALREADY DID… you just haven’t seen it yet…

and we must fight for our lives because that is what is at risk here, our lives…….

now some might say, we must not lower ourselves to fight down at their level…

I say, screw that… do what it takes to save America from becoming
Taliban west………the other side is willing to lie, steal, cheat and yes, kill
to give to the economic overlords our hard earn money, every tax cut the
wealthy get, it is less money for everyone else……… and we must fight that,
by every means necessary… fight for your country as if the Nazi’s have landed
in Washington D.C. because they have………. what will you do to save your country
from those who will try to throw anyone who is not the white/wealthy club
into jail………. so, once again, are you outraged?

I wished to god you were…… because we need outrage and anger, to fight
those who will put us into prison for not being “real” American’s…………

be outraged… for the love of god, that is the only hope for America,
is for American’s to become outraged at what is happening because it is
happening right now, right here………………

but put your outrage where it belongs, aimed at the right and fight,
fight back with every resource at your disposal… and remember, we
are not fighting with the Marquis of Queensbury rules… we are fighting for our lives,
our liberty, our rights, don’t fight fair, because the other side isn’t fighting fair…
they will do whatever it takes and so should you…

Kropotkin

Didn’t know that you are married to Maxine Waters Peter Waters, yes, as she said, fight dirty, be violent, yes that’s you Peter…any means Peter.

K: class warfare against the middle class and the working poor
as been on since Raygun was in office… it is time to fight back…
this war has been going on for a long time, it is time the middle class
and the working poor fight back……… I am Irish… when you get
into a fight with me, I don’t take prisoners, I don’t accept
surrender, I don’t fight nice,… it is a fight to the death…
I will kick you until you stop moving and then kick you a few more
times… bring it on…

:violence-rambo:

This is just as absurd, divisive, hysterical, paranoid and reactionary as the republicans who feared the US would become an Islamocommunist dictatorship under Obama.

Total nonsense.

Why are so many Americans so divisive?
It seems everytime the republicans get in, democrats are screaming: its the end of the world, and everytime the democrats get in, republicans are shouting: the sky is falling.
Hate to toot our own horn, but we don’t have this sort of sensationalist attitude in Canada.
You’re already a demi-fascunist two party dictatorship, like we are, so really what does it matter?

Globalism…one party regime, fascist, dictatorship…sounds worse. At least Trump is trying to save our sovereignty. Have you been arrested or fined for using the wrong pronouns yet? Canada is even crazier.

I will deal with facts and only facts showing how
the middle class is getting squeezed…

IN 1970, the middle class held 62% of the aggregated wealth
in the country and the upper class held 29%

in 2014, the middle class held 43% of the aggregated wealth
and the upper class held 49%…

the % of middle class has fallen from 61% in 1971
to 50% in 2015

and the upper class has risen from 14% in 1971 to
21% in 2015…

the number of union member has fallen by 2.9 million
since 1983…

the rate of union membership has gone from 20.19% in 1983
to 11.1 % in 2015…

wage stagnation is very well known: since the early 1970’s the
hourly inflation-adjusted wages received by the typical worker as only
grown by 0.2% which means wages has not kept up with inflation…
so the average worker has lost ground since the 70’s in regards to
income…

the average amount of dept by the middle class in 1992 was
32,200 and by 2014, 84,000 dollars…

the amount of net worth of the middle class has plunged…
from 2007/ 120,000 to 2010 the net worth being 77,000

people living in poverty has risen from 11.3% in 2000 to
15.1% in 2010

in 1971 the middle class was the majority amount of wage
earners, in 2010, the number of middel class earners were
121.8 million people, or roughly a third

so what do these facts show us?

that the upper class has engaged with a war with the middle
class and the upper class has been winning that war…

these are facts, not guesses, not hysterical,
not paranoid, but facts showing that the war on the middle class
since Raygun has been in effect and has been working…

we also know that the United States has greatly increased
its income inequality over the last 20 years…

you cannot argue with facts…

Kropotkin

and we know that this happens regardless of which party is in the White House or who dominates Congress. We know that Obama, the potentially most liberal President in recent years, immediately brought as his financial team the very people responsible for the policies and practices that led to the financial crisis. This income gap thing no longer, if it ever did, have anything to do with this party or that party. Both parties are beholden to and in love with Wall St. Whatever they whisper to the spouses when going to sleep at night. Not one of them has the guts, so let’s not presume interest, to go public with qualms about the power of corporations and Wall st. and bankers while they are Presidents.

I agree, I was taking the piss, as the Brits say, Canada is messed up too.

Peter the Koch brothers are upset with Trump and are going to bankroll other people this time around. Should be interesting to see how that pans out.

Fascism? Cue the thugs…

slate.com/news-and-politics/201 … cists.html

I think perhaps we might even have a few of them here. :open_mouth:

Where are your articles about the AntiFa violent thugs? Who existed first…AntiFa or The Proud Boys?

Yeah, sure, wherever you find objectivists in power there’s the potential for thuggery. I’m sure there were thugs on the left when the antifascists and the Nazis waged war in the streets of Germany.

Some no doubt were motivated ideologically by “the cause”. And, once you arrive at that point “in your head”, there are very few means that can’t be rationalized in order to attain and then sustain the noble end.

On the other hand, there is also a nihilistic element embedded in the motivation of some. Being thugs is the whole point for them.

The bottom line here and now though [re this thread] is that it is not the radical objectivists on the left who are in control of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of the U.S. Government. That’s why they don’t generate the sort of headlines that Trump’s thugs do.

Lucky for you?

You are still basically a right wing objectivist, aren’t you?

Let me invite you to bring your moral values and political agenda here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

Test them as it were. :wink:

I’ll give you another chance to answer one of the simple questions from my last post, biggie. Go ahead, nobody is gonna stop you from being honest for a change.

These questions?

“Where are your articles about the AntiFa violent thugs? Who existed first…AntiFa or The Proud Boys?”

I’m conceding up front that there are thug’s on the left as well as on the right. Historically, that has always been a component of either religious or ideological objectivism.

And asking which came first is like asking the Jews and the Palastinians who is to blame for the hostilities over there.

As for honesty, that invariably revolves around the “one of us”/“one of them” mentality. At least pertaining to moral narratives and political agendas.

Someone is being honest when they think like “one of us”. They’re telling lies when they don’t. Why? Because they’re “one of them”.

It all comes “natural” as Satyr might insist.

Really, you need to bring one of your own value judgments here – viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 – so that others are permitted to judge for themselves which of us is really being “honest”.

But then that’s the neat thing about being an objectivist. If your side wins, great. But even if your side loses, you still have the consolation of knowing you ought to have won because you are always right and they are always wrong.

That’s why, in my view, the sort of arrogance and contempt that the objectivists [left and right] often bring into discussions and debates like this is rooted far more in the psychology of objectivism.

This part: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296