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Re: Adages & Proverbs

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:11 pm

This is neither an adage nor a proverb but it blew my mind when I came upon it so I shall take the liberty of inserting it.


AH, BIRD IN

KYOTO

PINING FOR

KYOTO!

Basho




What a meditation or mantra that could be.
“How can a bird that is born for joy
Sit in a cage and sing?”
― William Blake


“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
― William Blake, Songs of Innocence and of Experience


“No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings.”
― William Blake
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Re: Adages & Proverbs

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:50 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:Truth is a one way street.



Jung said that truth needs the concert of many voices but we can see where that has led to.

Can your quote be true in light of the fact that those people going down that one-way (absolutist) street are not capable of *seeing* that there can be *another* way to go in seeking truth?

Its my own words, not a quote.
Read well: it doesn't say "there is only one truth".
It says "truth is a one way street".
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Re: Adages & Proverbs

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:16 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:
Fixed Cross wrote:Truth is a one way street.



Jung said that truth needs the concert of many voices but we can see where that has led to.

Can your quote be true in light of the fact that those people going down that one-way (absolutist) street are not capable of *seeing* that there can be *another* way to go in seeking truth?

Its my own words, not a quote.
Read well: it doesn't say "there is only one truth".
It says "truth is a one way street".


Can you please explain to me how truth can only be a a one-way street, FC?
“How can a bird that is born for joy
Sit in a cage and sing?”
― William Blake


“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
― William Blake, Songs of Innocence and of Experience


“No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings.”
― William Blake
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Re: Adages & Proverbs

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:01 pm

It is so obvious to me that I can't see what I have to explain. But Ill try.
Think of truth like time, or just reality. You can't turn back on truth.
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Re: Adages & Proverbs

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:39 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:It is so obvious to me that I can't see what I have to explain. But Ill try.
Think of truth like time, or just reality. You can't turn back on truth.



Hmmm...but what have you actually said there, FC?

You can, in a sense, turn back on time. You can reflect on your past (time) to grow from it. You can discover that things which you believed in, things which you absolutely knew to be true, were not really true at all. You come to see this because you have grown and your perspective has changed.

The way that I look at it, you can "turn back on truth" because being that humans are imperfect and fallible, truth changes as we change. Then, sometime in the future, you might again turn back on time and discover that your previous truth or Truth was not altogether truth or even nearly truth.

Why do we need truth to be written in stone? How do we grow that way ~~ when we are so convinced of this or that or everything.

Can truth not be fluid?
“How can a bird that is born for joy
Sit in a cage and sing?”
― William Blake


“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
― William Blake, Songs of Innocence and of Experience


“No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings.”
― William Blake
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