Aren’t you a woman? What does your genetic screening process tell you? Do you let any slime through?
These are the generalized traits of humanity, applying to either men or women. In other words, men are attracted to women, usually out of beauty. Women have higher standards, hypothetically. Intelligence is most important because cognitive traits are really the essential one of humanity. Concerning self-confidence, self-esteem, social status, those can be considered cognitive traits (therefore applicable to intelligence).
No it’s not. I get a better conversation answering my own questions than I do of you answering my questions. You don’t answer them. You’re not even close to a participant in this entire thread.
You could add something productive. But I realized quickly not to expect as much from you or your ilk. You, like many others, are here for the entertainment, not to add, but to subtract.
It’s a reaction, sure, and it’s attributed to you, sure. Identity is notoriously non-specific, we just develop this general idea based on what we’re most conscious of. But what that turns out to be is just a tiny segment of this universe-sized chain reaction. You don’t decide anything, you experience a kind of conscious manifestation of what has already been decided - like watching yourself on TV but with all sensory stimuli, not just sound and vision.
The space between stimulus and response is just a lag in becoming conscious of what has already been decided subconsciously - as has been proven neuroscientifically. Some guy who was caught up in some horrible situation musing on the shitiness that can imposed on other people is no authority compared to this, sorry, no matter how much we might feel the need to respect him for what he went through. We grow with experience, yes, the amount stored away to structure our decision gets bigger, but it’s still all utterly based on ultimately external factors that we did not choose and cannot control.
Like I said, gratefulness feels good, but that doesn’t make it any less based on nonsense. Once you realise this, the placebo effect wears off a little.
In terms of freewill; it evolves, it grows.
The experiments showing yes/no choices in the brain before we can utter it don’t discard that for efficiencies sake, we intentially hard code the subconscious reactions to conserve processing time and speed.
You keep saying freewill evolves and grows without explanation.
I acknowledged how it seems like it does, but even if the neuroscience doesn’t convince you that it actually doesn’t, logic should.
Take, for example, a rational choice. You base it on what you know, you can’t base it on what you don’t know. It depends on all the things that have happened to you, your capability to reason, and your current situation. Your capability to reason, even your tendency to contrarianism - to intentionally do differently to that which seems like the choice you’d normally make - this is all set up at the time you make any decision. You have no choice but to choose that which you were set up to prefer to choose at any given point. It’s all determined, you won’t choose differently to what it was set up for you to choose. As I already explained, this is the case for every decision you ever made, all the way back to the first one you ever made where this is all the most clear. You’re given all the things that have happened to you and your current situation without any input, and your decision will reflect this. Your next decision will reflect the first decision and all the things that haven happened to you and your current situation just the same - and so on.
Do you not understand this?
Silhouette is accurate.
Ideals of moral agency and personal responsibility, leading to the “sense of self” people have within their Identity, are just that …ideals. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Morality and agency are processes of power. I agree with Nietzsche and the Nietzscheans on this point. Few people are capable, or willing, to take responsibility over actions and events in life. It’s arguable about who caused what and why. Does a soldier following orders act on his own volition, or the volition of another? That’s what I mean by Innocence, and Privilege. People like to think they’re not responsible for the actions and events they cause. Bob you can relate to this with your little Nazi analogy. Who is responsible for the Holocaust? The Nazis? Or the Jews? It can very much go either way. Blame is another thing. Responsibility is yet another.
But without power, can you really “take” responsibility for anything? No, you can’t. Within society, children and teenagers are perceived as powerless, devoid of personal responsibility, devoid of agency. The same can be applied to Blacks, or Women. Some people are assigned different powers (moral agency) than others. In other words, society, people in general, expect a lot of some people (evil white men) and little of others (everybody else).
Until you delve into these concepts, quite frankly, yes you and others here are complete philosophical amateurs.
And this is more of a children’s lesson than anything else.
I’m read to delve deep, anytime. I like that Silhouette here can remark on the deeper topics, which nobody else really is. Including Pandora. Pandora merely dodges the big points over and over and over again. It’s …boring after awhile. And it doesn’t make for good conversation, which I’m confident we can all agree on.
Who’s fault is this …mine? Or hers?
Here’s a simplification, to sum up the thread so far.
Why do we expect the most out of a small minority of the population (evil-white-men)?
And we expect almost nothing out of the rest of the population (good-black-women)?
Side-point:
It’s pretty obvious how people confuse morality with power. People seem to believe that the more agency you have (more moral righteousness), necessarily, the more ‘evil’ you must be. They rationalize this, because you have so much control and responsibility over other people’s lives …because your choices affect so many others, that you must be in a position of evil, represented by Fascism and Totalitarianism. “All fascists are evil” --logical fallacy.
So people are using another logical fallacy.
They are presuming that more power = more evil. And that less power (innocence, privilege, protection) = more good.
Or worse yet… that being completely powerless, a victim, is the highest good and sense of morality.
This is a moral Inversion. It’s completely backward.
I will call this: the Victim-Complex Fallacy.
Put this one into the logic books. Post-Nietzschean credo.
How can Silhouette be accurate if what he is saying is that you don’t have choices, that life is pre-determined and that still mesh with what you believe that you can be affective and effective of your own accord, your own responsibility to act as such?
You’re the one who’s dodging my arguments. I brought you historical examples and present day instances in which women are deprived of equal rights and opportunities, but, to you, no matter how badly a woman is treated, whether she’s beaten or raped or patronized and treated like domestic cattle, she is still the privileged gender. This is your kind of messed up thinking, which I think is based on none other than personal insecurities and jealousy.
Should I bring up the topic of global sex trafficking, as well? Is that women’s fault, too, for being the priviledged gender? I’m sure in your kind of twisted mind, these kidnapped girls are feeling pretty privileged, for being kidnapped and used for sex, or at least should be. A man like you can only dream of such things happening to you, but you’re not that kind of special, you’re not…the privileged gender.
If women are responsible for anything it’s being too trusting and believing in men’s lies.
It’s called incel logic, and goes a little something like this.
I, by my own reckoning, am everything a woman should want, but women don’t want me. Therefore, women are the problem.
This sort of “logic” is usually used by people who are generally obsessed with sex, but rarely, if ever, get it. They love to use words like “alpha”, “beta”, “cuck”, etc.
My challenge to men is to have sex with at least one woman without hating yourself.
You guys think you’re smart “incels”…
Raise the game…!!! You’re bored.
We know that this has never been accomplished before, I look at someone like urwrongx1000 as someone if he received sex from a woman today, his conscience would rot him. He knows he’s not there yet
I wouldn’t knock nurses down just yet. I’ve encountered many nurses who had more sense and experience than the doctors under whom they worked for. In my experience some DNP/ARNPs are often even better than physicians in terms of first hand knowledge, patient care and overall medical experience (heck even some RNs). Functionally, they are now what the doctors used to be, about patient care, and not about some bureaucracy. Today, about 50% of a doctor’s job is about filling out reports and paperwork.
This is the same argument a few people I have known in the past have used. The difference is that I am happily working away and they are on anti-depressants.
You do, of course, understand that yours is a downward spiral, whereas mine is an upward one? It doesn’t matter which one you use, we all die in the end and some will ask, “Was it all worth it?” Deciding to look at the experience we call life as just a happening, and gain a positive perspective seems to me to be the only thing we can do, if we don’t want to take the negative approach and get sour over time. The fact that you can use the space between stimulus and response is a chance to use the time you have, whatever happens, before it is over. Or are you hoping that something better comes afterwards?
There is nothing like the person who shouts “nonsense” in a crowd of people enjoying themselves.
love it!
First of all I didn’t use a nazi “analogy”.
Secondly, whoever was responsible for the Holocaust is dead, and we can either learn from the mistakes or repeat it.
Thirdly, you are doing the trump thing, and saying that in nazi Germany there were good and bad people on both sides, but that isn’t the point. The point is that 6 million people were killed in concentration camps, and the world looked on.
Fourthly, the side of human nature in all of us that is usually contained was let loose and did this and should make us aware of our aptitude for order and chaos.
Probably closer to the truth than you’d think. At least sex-slaves are being valued for something. Men and less physically desirable women often enough are not, and in some this amounts in a being even more chained and helpless than someone captured to perform a sexual role. This explains plenty about existing sexual fetishes, which are all senses of belonging.
But I agree that being the frail gender necessarily makes woman the more risk-prone gender. Her capriciousness, caprice, relates to Capricorn, balancing on the sharp rock along the abysses.
She might love to let go and easily fall into someones strong arms, be safe - but it is more a gamble than she would like, almost like she is the ball in the roulette wheel.
When it’s all over, you don’t get to ask “was it worth it?” - it being over means nothing comes afterwards. Up until that point, you have to make a choice - what do you value most in life? Happiness? What is positive and negative? How can you know if you’ve not explored all the choices thoroughly enough?
I value authenticity. I would rather be as grounded in truth as possible, as interested and satisfied with my pursuit as I see fit, than happy based on ignoring logic. I don’t need anti-depressants - they are for people who haven’t followed through on the philosophy far enough. I actually find more contentment in knowing, challenging and accepting difficult truths - not a downward spiral at all.
You only think you’re using the space between stimulus and response. You can believe in nonsense to fill the gap if you’d compromise all else to feel a way that you believe is right - you were going to anyway. Perhaps there are some causes that would change this that you have yet to experience, perhaps there aren’t because either you can’t or you’re only able to want something else than truth beyond certain thresholds that you won’t cross.
What if they’re high on unicorns and rainbows? There’s more than one way to enjoy yourself, some ways might be better than others along a variety of different measures. It’s nice to see people enjoying themselves in any way, but the enjoyment is compromised by pity in many of them.
To re-connect this with the thread, I can see how people who are not perfectly reasonable might select other imperfectly reasonable people - even more than more reasonable people. There’s no objective reason to pursue reason. I, for one, am put off by unreasonableness in others, which severely impedes my chances of finding someone with whom I am happy to get to know - not nearly as conducive with sexual selection as someone who, for example, values happiness over truth. We each have all kinds of approaches, some of which are more common to one gender than the other. Whether one is more privileged than the other overall, I’m not convinced, but I do know that where one comes out on top, the other comes out on top in other areas. One way females come out on top is that they are less disposable than males, and one way males come out on top is they’re physically stronger and more aggressive. Each situation can be turned into something pretty shitty, but one being shittier in one way than another isn’t proof that one is privileged and the other isn’t.
Is there really an objective way to measure this one?
Okay, I didn’t want to pull this one, but I work with dying people. I see what holds up and I see the people asking themselves the questions in the end. I see the morons die, dejected and struggling to make sense of it all and I see the fantastic people die, who still go out on an upward spiral. There is a vast difference. What you may say is “nonsense” has been a life-long attitude, a composure and a bearing, that carries them through.
Some of these people say to me, “What is the use of knowledge, I forget so much? What will carry me through?”, and I say that it is faith. It may not be in God or the afterlife, but faith that it was worth the experience. In the end it isn’t objective truth, but experiential truth that carries you through.
Well, in the end, the male is just as frail as any other dying person. What the problem is though, is that having lived a life as an alpha doesn’t make giving it up any easier. In comparison very few males have the character to keep their composure, whereas the women are generally more impressive. There are of course all kinds on both sides, but the way we live our lives “inside”, out of view of our superficial neighbours, is the way we die.
Women can also occupy themselves better in old age, whereas males very often fall into depression, even if they have a fantastic family. There is a lot to be said for the way we hold ourselves up to life struggles, and the way we learn to cope with the insufficiencies we have.