I feel it is so interesting now that Socialism can exist in the minds of the person without a reference to Marx. But Marx on the other hand is just the dude that posited Socialism.
Maybe there will be a Socialism where its members have kicked out Marx and just follow his doctrine without knowing. But they will still need money so there’s that.
We in the US have one of the highest standards of living anywhere. In other places like South East Asia, people are mired in poverty on an unimaginable scale. And yet, they have not elected socialism, excepting North Korea.
Under a aocialist cover, manipulators can capitalize on power much more effectively, and rob people blind using overt repressive tactics no one cares to oppose, or gulag for you. Its always been the same, and this is why socialism is a nice sounding word, and that’s all it is, and ever will be.
Karl Marx didn’t invent socialism as it existed well before he came onto the scene of history, he did however pervert and corrupt it almost irreparable to which it hasn’t been able to recover since then. There was those that tried to revitalise and cleanse it of all its impurities in 1933 but as they say the rest is history.
No one is arguing communism here as far as I know and what I argue for is a socialist mixed economy that has some basic level of market forces at work but that strictly believes in collectively the public well being of its nation for all people which includes common people also.
A nation of one solidified mind, voice, and commonwealth of all it citizens to which prosperity can be enjoyed by all social classes of people relatively speaking.
All you capitalists can say what you want but it is obvious by any man or woman with any intelligence that this capitalist system is destroying and devouring itself. Sure communism was the first experiment to destroy itself and eventually capitalism also will catch up doing the same since neither system was sustainable in the long run to begin with. The destruction of capitalism is taking a bit longer than its opposite of communism but the end result will be the same.
It’s unsustainable in the long run that revolves around short term thinking of immediate profit or gratification. It revolves around military imperialism that endangers the entire planet with the proliferation of nuclear weapons. It revolves around a ridiculous assertion of infinite growth. These are just a couple of reasons why I oppose capitalism.
Bernie Sanders is a Jewish communist and Barack Obama for all his socialist rhetoric was actually a corporatist figure head with a black face.
The macro/micro distinction is important here.
Be a capitalist who wants socialist outcomes for the world.
What are some of the specific ways to achieve a comprehensive socialist movement…what would it look like more explicitly…what are its tenements?
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Wendy, my only thought here is keyed in by the term ‘affordability’ some purist nations in Scandinavia are so prosperous , socially cohesive, that they can offer incredible social guarantees. But the US , a huge multiculturalism seems unlikely to foster specific kinds of social programs as sought for by progressives.
A social capitalist sounds a bit like an oxy moron, does it not? 
I don’t know yet to be honest, I am still trying to find that out in much contemplation.
Don’t be afraid to express yourself here.
Yes, there in lies the rub of multi racial multiculturalism.
You mean slave revolt did exist, which is true. Byt socialism was in fact a Marxian creation from the opium pipe.
Capitalists focus on creating and inventing things. Zerosum wants to steal things from capitalists which is all socialism is, a negative to subtract from the positive of capitalism.
A capitalist does not want even one regulation, so, therefore, one regulation makes the system socialist and now it’s merely a question of where to draw the line on how much regulation is needed.
Regulations are always for the good of society, not the capitalist.
Capitalism is zero regulation
Socialism is greater than zero, but less than 100% regulation
Fascism and communism are 100% regulated.
If someone wants to argue the definitions, then show me a regulation that benefits the capitalist who believes the free market resolves everything. If that can’t be done, then the definitions stand.
Now, do you want to eat food that is not inspected by the government? No? Then you’re a socialist. So, essentially we are all socialists arguing about just how socialist we ought to be. I doubt anyone is really a capitalist.
So all these arguments based on definitions of what party affiliations we have are basically for political rhetoric, in order to stretch out boring or displaced discussions, right?
No. A capitalist is someone who uses money to make money. A socialist is someone who wants to spend money to make society better. So you can invest and make money, and then build a shelter for the homeless.
Socialist Thinkers Before Karl Marx:
Robert Owens 1771-1858
Charles Fourier 1772- 1837
Pierre Joseph Proudhon 1809-1865
Louis Blanc 1811- 1882
Saint Simon 1760-1825
Versus
Karl Marx 1818-1883
Capitalism doesn’t steal? 
Socialism doesn’t seek to disrupt or lessen innovation just so you know.