I’m with Aristotle on that point. An 18 year old girl is “equal”, in sexual value, to a 37 year old man. Women lose value with age/sexual experience. Men gain value. So it’s an inverse relationship, over time.
The females, in this thread, deny this because they hate the idea of losing value, along with all their regrets/failures in life. Women, like Pandora, don’t want to admit to their lifetime of mistakes (failed judgment of men).
Counter-point #1:
Some men and women are extremely jealous. Jealousy and possessiveness are not restricted to one-gender or the other. Rather, some individuals are very possessive. You could make an argument that “men on average” are more possessive than “women on average”. But, I don’t think so. Women are very resentful of being cheated on, or “their man” flirting with other women.
Counter-point #2:
Not wanting to be sloppy-tenths is not comparable to Islamic Paedophilia. It’s natural that men want to take women when they’re fresh. No man wants sloppy-tenths, unless you’re desperate. But, there are a lot of desperate men too. When men are thirsty for sex, then they will take sloppy-tenths, or even sloppy-hundredths.
I don’t know why you’re drawing the parallel, or believe you’re making a point? You’re not. You just sound ridiculous.
Few people have conservative or traditional values anymore.
Nobody is talking about “complete” control, except you.
It goes both ways. Everybody is flattered by being favored. Ideally, a man should favor a woman, and she in turn favors him. But that is often not the case. Often times one or the other, of a couple, gets the shorter end of the stick. In every sexual transaction, there can be a winner and loser. One of a couple, is more jealous than the other.
You seem obsessed with Islam. That’s neither here nor there. That’s your own problem, and I don’t know why you’re so adamant to bring it into this thread.
Not wanting to be sloppy-tenths = you’re a paedophile muslim??? No, you’re wrong.
And children are the property of their parents. Hypothetically, a parent can do whatever s/he wants. In older civilizations/eastern culture, it is very permissible to sell or auction off children, to whatever end. In western culture, there are still many elements of “selling children off”. Why is it, in western marriages, the father “gives her daughter away” in a marriage ceremony?
What does this signify, except what you just mentioned? Don’t be a complete hypocrite, or naive moron.
No, it makes sense. Caesar was betrayed and overthrown. So yes, obviously his woman would sense this and make a move when the time was right. Napoleon lost the wars. So again, it makes sense that his woman would cheat on him after the loss.
Women’s fidelity can be linked to men’s successes, and infidelity linked to failures. No man stays on top forever.
Lifelong marriage and pair-bonding occurs when a man and woman are roughly “equal” in sexual value, and/or have strongly conservative/traditional education and reinforcement.
Sounds like Misandry to me…
Why do you hate men so much?
And women aren’t insanely jealous of their men?
Again, it goes both ways. Some women are extremely needy, jealous, and want to keep “their man” on a short leash. Same as some men are extremely needy, jealous, and want to keep “their woman” on a short leash.
Are you incapable of flexible thinking?
It cuts deep.
Women and men are clearly not “equal”, at least in the Privilege department. It’s obvious, I think to everybody, at least subconsciously, that women have a type of innate value that men simply do not have.
Women’s value is earned simply by being. Men’s value is earned by doing. In this way, women are born with a privilege and worth that men must compensate for.
Hence why males take up 99.99999% of human history achievements, discoveries, explorations, victories, etc. Men are forced to become great as a means of compensating (for depreciated sexual value).
It’s also why “prostitution is the oldest profession”, because a small fraction of women are willing to trade sex directly for money.
However all of this is casually ignored by women and feminists, when trying to participate in these types of discussions. Women don’t admit to it. Because admitting to it would mean admitting to a Privileged position. Maybe women are subconsciously too smart to admit to such positions. It’s too damning and undermining, to admit to. Instead women will go on, and enjoy “female privilege”. A last point… consider how women/feminists attack “male-privilege” since the 1950s. Yet has anybody ever talked about “female-privilege”? No. It’s an invisible topic. It doesn’t exist. It’s immune to critique. It’s immune to questioning.
I’m going to offer another insight into the sexes here, for those of you following the thread closely…
Men need to understand women, their minds, how they think, what they want, in order to have sex. Women do NOT need to understand men. And most women don’t care what men think, how men feel, etc. So empathy is a one-way direction, concerning gender. Men generally need to understand the pathology of women, but women do not need to inversely. Women honestly don’t care what men think or which values are important to men. So this will appear, pathologically, that women are much more selfish than men. It also explains the absence of women in Philosophy and other intellectually-dominated areas. Women simply don’t need to understand or know the areas of rationality that some men do need to.
An average woman can easily seduce and control an average man, using sex, or temptations/teasings of sex. The mere promise, that you will get laid eventually, is enough for women.
If women care to know the mind’s of men at all, then it would most likely be in the areas of fidelity and how to secure devotion. But again, most women don’t really care about this, as they don’t need a man’s fidelity, unless he is offering her something that she cannot find elsewhere, from another man. And how many luxuries, resources, qualities are there in humanity, that are so rare that one man holds a monopoly where other men could not replicate it? There are none.
Perhaps rare artistry is one of those quality. Maybe that’s why women flock to rock stars, or men who can offer such intense fame?
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A woman’s desirability peaks at 21, which, ironically enough is the age that men just begin their “prime,” i.e. become more desirable than average. Following that dotted line out, you can see that a woman of 31 is already “past her prime,” while a man doesn’t become so until 36.
So, OKC puts it at 21/36 while Aristotle claims 18/37 for the coincidence of the decline of powers. But this is severely frowned upon by society.
Because men are still trying to score one by being chivalrous. Men cannot help running to the aid of women and therefore will not be known as party to discussions such as this. Women are just unable to see behavior that would otherwise be viewed as offensive if they had their wits about them… or had perspective into being a man.
. Islam is still a system in which patriarchy still rules. The cultural and religious norms of Muslim countries still give the men all of the excuses to pursue heir needs while controlling and denying women’s. Even if a woman is raped, she is held accountable for it. This is how blatant and rediculous the justifications become when men get complete control over women. Even in the West, women were openly seen as subhuman creatures with no souls of their own, and treated as a man’s property. Their only redeeming virtue in the eyes of men was total obedience. Even now, women are seen as some kind of unaware hormonal zombies.
Because the only value the men like you ascribe to women is that of a walking incubator, and nothing more. Women’s own feelings or wishes, or individual persona, are not even relevant, and their emergence and expression, in fact, should not be encouraged. Because when they do come up, it becomes a threat to you and insecure men like you, as you scratch your head and say: a woman already has a vagina and a uterus, what more could she ask for?
Your perfect woman is one who either does not have her own individuality (easy going nature and low IQ), or has not yet formed one (very young). And if her individuality is allowed to be expressed, it is within strictly defined parameters (like baking cookies, doing various house crafts, and of course, being supportive to your views).
And good luck expecting your ideal woman to come up with anything ground breaking, except a new recipe.
P.S.; and you’re not being original, wrong, so don’t flatter yourself. Your originality only lies in the tonality of your own complaining, of not getting laid and not finding women to kowtow to your own ego.
Great song.
Precarious Manhood
Fwd to 7:00
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WALEvNCMsI[/youtube]
The authors report 5 studies that demonstrate that manhood, in contrast to womanhood, is seen as a precarious state requiring continual social proof and validation. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19025286
Men have to work to earn the right to not only be men, but human. And if they ever were in a situation requiring help, then by needing help they forfeit the right to it because they’re no longer men. 80% of completed suicides are men. There are 7 commissioned websites dedicated to women, but zero for men.
That is bullshit in light of the above. It is completely opposite: women’s feelings are all that matters while men are completely disposable.
Women don’t want equality, they want omnipotence and men are going to give it to them lest they be perceived as less than men.
The fact that you keep equivocating Western/White/European patriarchy with Islam, demonstrates to me how ignorant you are of your own heritage, history, and culture. The only comparison that can be made between Islam/Muslim patriarchal control of women, would be during the European dark ages, 400AD-1000AD, during a time when Roman Catholicism dominated all aspects of European life. Islam copied much of its current manifestation from there, as well.
However, if you knew even a slight inkling of history, then you would know that western culture “Progressed” beyond that long ago. For example, are you aware of Romanticism? Do you know what Romance is? Do you know what it means and signifies? Probably not, because your (female) privilege excuses your complete ignorance. You have no idea how good you have it, as white, western, woman. Basically you have everything handed to you on a silver platter, and it’s “never enough”.
You’re like a spoiled little girl. And your best counter-argument is “but but but… Islam!?!” No, it’s a fallacy, a false analogy.
Strawman argument, nobody is claiming this.
Women are privileged, and I agree with it. I like it that women are privileged. And as a man, I would like to privilege a woman more, if she values me and sexually desires me. I enjoy the trade. I enjoy the meeting of value. I enjoy the romance. Men and women are not equal, not the same, but do make perfect halves. Those who desire “equality” simultaneous admit their feelings of deep inferiority. It need not revolve around gender, although it can, and it does, concerning these topics. As mentioned, for example, a man can be very jealous (insecure) as a random woman can be very jealous (insecure). Therefore, such a comparison requires deeper investigation and examination.
But you gloss over this as-if it doesn’t mean anything. And it signals to me, more of your personal ignorance and inability to philosophize on the topic.
On the contrary, I’m very secure when it comes to loving women. You can try to shame and embarrass me, but it won’t work. I like fucking women, and women like fucking me too. It goes both ways.
Men use women for many ends. Women use men, too. Neither are innocent. So don’t pretend that you are, or that you can embarrass me under that same presumption.
As-if you don’t use men, for your own personal reasons and gains??? You’re no angel.
I do like young women, 17-24 is ideal. However I would like a woman with wisdom and a deep sense of integrity, pride, and individuality. Somebody like me, a female version of me, would be ideal. I was very wise and intelligent from a young age. So I would like that from a woman too. A woman who can challenge me, in some ways. Or a relationship we could both benefit and grow from.
The sex has to be great too, of course.
It’s not really a complaint. It’s more a verification of the general natures of men and women. You’re just excusing yourself for feeling offended or that some of my statements ring all-too-true.
Are you innocent? Or just that naive? You should demonstrate more wisdom on this topic.
. I did not create the rules, I only point to them, and I doubt that the previous women themselves created them. I mean, in US women didn’t even have the right to vote until 1920. Why is that?
Your own jealousy and ignorance of women is really showing through, and it tells me you really don’t understand women except through books and your own idealized notions. Like Romaticism, or a system of flattering obedient and chaste women- that is a man’s own creation, and women were supposed to fall for it. When this is just another way of buying women on men’s terms. Women sitting pretty wanting to be desired and owned, and men fawning over them. Creating elaborate sculptures, paintings, poetry, etc., worshipping the image. Look at Virgin Mary, the most chaste and holy woman that has ever existed because she is recipient of “god’s” will. Do you know of any work of Romantic period glorifying and exalting prostitutes? I doubt you will, because Romanticism is about morality, and morality is about strategically controlling behavior, controlling being the key word. It’s all disguised behind pretty words, and pretty images, but at core, it’s glorifying dead people who serve as sacrificial lambs for an ideal. I find it really funny that you think Romanticism is about respecting women themselves and not an artificial ideal of a woman. What is even more amusing is that you seem to be jealous even if that.
Better hurry up if you want a 10-15yr differential. Once you’re old, you’re old and nobody wants you unless you have lots of money. Don’t waste the youth card.
Women are much more superficial than men. I once had a woman tell me “I’m not superficial! I dated a guy in school who wore unfashionable jeans!” Women have types and the guy must fall into that category or he’s ugly as shit whereas men are more flexible: basically if a woman is younger, smaller, shorter than he is and doesn’t have buck-teeth or some physical eccentricity, he’s good. But women are far more picky in terms of physical attributes:
Women’s perception of men’s attractiveness may be more warped than men’s perception of women’s appearance. With the rise of pornography, plastic surgery and airbrushing, many people wonder — do guys know what real women look like anymore? The answer appears to be yes. When Rudder showed us a graph of the ratings men give to women on an attractiveness scale of 1 to 5 through OKCupid, there’s a normal distribution with fewer women falling at the 1 and 5 extremes and the grand majority getting ratings in the middle. However, when women rate men on a scale of 1 to 5 on attractiveness through the site, the graph skews sharply towards the lower end. Women overall rate many men as a 1, and shockingly few as a 4 or 5. Jokes Rudder, “A 3.8 for a guy is basically Hollywood material.” blog.ted.com/7-things-we-learne … f-okcupid/
It was so screwed up that OKC had to switch from a 1-5 scale to a yes/no rating.
So men are more pliable in terms of matches while women rate most men callously as a 1 and shockingly few as a 4 or 5. Once you get into your 40s and 50s, you can hang it up, not only because you’re old, but 28-32 yr old women are all kinds of screwed up. That’s the range where they’ve been burned by guys too much to risk it again, but the clock is also ticking, so the confluence of two obstinate forces drives them crazy and they won’t sober-up until 40 when they finally give up on clocks, forgive the men, and just want to have fun.
. No, you want to be the first and only, isn’t that the purpose of this “I don’t want sloppy tenths” thread? This is all about you wanting to control woman’s sexuality/choice.
. Here’s another example of your ignorance of women. If anything, I usually try to flatter men like you because I know just how deeply insecure they are on the inside, and how desperate they are for any kind of validation. I do it out of pity, not because I get something out of for it myself, or need to.
If a man opens a door for me, I make sure to look at him, smile, and graciously thank him, not because I’m handicapped and can’t open my own door, but because he really needs it.
Of course. Isn’t this the number one reason for this thread, after all?