You’re very welcome.
Serendipper
We sometimes see things as entities because they are entities.
An ant isn’t just an ant, it’s part of a colony.
Sometimes a wolf is lone, sometimes it’s part of a pack.
Species aren’t just species, they’re part of an ecosystem, with both competitive, and symbiotic relationships with that ecosystem, known or unbeknownst to themselves.
If one species, race, sex, culture, class and so on (or if you prefer, some individuals, families) manages to thoroughly dominate the competition, making itself extraordinarily wealthy (decadence), it may go on dominating them, until there’s nothing left, or alternatively, it may feel a little sympathy for the weak/unwilling, or, it may realize it’s necessary for its own existence in the long run to give something back (symbiosis), or, the weak/unwilling may ban together and organize a resistance, a campaign to its reign.
egoism, corporatism and conservatism, where individuals and groups primarily care about themselves, is the Right approach, whereas altruism, socialism and progressivism is the Left approach.
Capitalism with the four monopolies (see Benjamin Tucker) is somewhere in between, but more on the Right, whereas a free market without the four monopolies is more on the Left.
I say neither approach is absolutely right/wrong, good/bad, but only relatively.
If a civilization, or an individual is to survive, it has to find the right balance of these two approaches, and the right balance varies.
There is a time to take, and a time to give back.
Giving back can be the right thing to do, or necessary, but also leaves one vulnerable to being taken advantage of.
If the victor voluntarily gives back, or is made to give back too much, if we bite the hand that feeds, we stand to lose everything, but on the other hand, if the victor never gives anything back, he will consume and consume until he’s either too fat to consume anymore, and bursts/festers, or he will consume all of the resources on which he depends, ultimately leading to his starvation.
Civilizations have to find the right balance of growth, and sustainability/recession, or they perish.
It can be a tightrope walk, there are many variables and it’s difficult to manage them all, in addition to greed, not just on behalf of the haves, but on behalf of the have nots as well.
And our genes, memes and environment, as individuals and as societies, incline us more to the right hand path in some ways, and the left hand path in others.
Actually what I meant was progressives have become less preoccupied with class politics, and more preoccupied with race, sex and religious politics, turning progressivism into what I see as a tool of the economic elite, but in misunderstanding me, you made an interesting point yourself.
Progressives are allying themselves with the private sector, much to the dismay of conservatives who wedded themselves to the private sector and noninterventionism so much, they can’t back out now without giving up a lot face, credibility.
All that being said, I think society has a tendency to veer too far towards the right in most ways, but can veer too far towards the left in some ways also.
Myself I’m finding my own balance, and I find my balance is at odds with my society.
In some ways I’m very far left, and in others far right.
Most people are rather simple, and tend to be mutually exclusive.
Ironically societies balance is made up of some very extreme individuals.
There is mysterious and covert symbiosis in overt competition.
@Wendy
I think you’re falsely equating my position of equating falsely accusing someone of rape with rape, with Carleas equating racism with murder.
Firstly, there’s degrees of racism, there isn’t degrees of false rape accusations, all false rape accusations are terrible, some racism is relatively benign.
Saying Chinese can’t drive, or blacks can’t get enough fried chicken and watermelon, is relatively benign, whereas saying Chinese and blacks are subhuman and should be exterminated is damaging, whereas saying you had sex with someone while they were drunkenly unconscious, is extremely damaging, and saying you beat someone unconscious, then raped them, is also extremely damaging.
Secondly, almost no one approves of racism in our culture, if you say, I think blacks are dumb and Jews evil, you are more likely to incur physical damage upon yourself, and strengthen progressivism, than you are to incur damage upon a member of said races, whereas everyone disproves of rape, and so they should, and so it’s far more damaging to be the target of a false rape accusation than the target of racism.
Thirdly, even your average racist hates rapists, even if they’re members of his own race, more than they do other races, and is far more likely to feel emboldened and justified in attacking someone falsely accused of rape, especially if it’s his daughter, girlfriend, mother or sister making the false rape accusation, than a member of another race.
Lastly rape accusation is about individuals, you are specifically targeting an individual where as racism targets a whole race, and spreads the damage thinly among the race.
I mean it comes down to this, a single person, let alone all of society, isn’t going to change their opinion of you, and start hating you on the basis of what one racist said about your race, and furthermore the racist may have said something benign, like I just want to preserve my race, not exterminate or subjugate other races, or I think Italians are too emotional, gregarious and jovial, where as if you falsely accuse someone of rape, you will probably ruin that individuals life overnight.
If I made you afraid to talk in the gun control thread, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to tyrannize you.
I’m not talking about the degrees of something that exists, I’m referring to how one thing is or is not, in this case, the equivalent of another. For instance, the liberal lefties equate an accusation with a guilty verdict. Is that an accurate equation? Is rape the equivalent of a lie? Is racism the equivalent of murder? Should a white collar criminal receive the same penalty as a murderer? <—I was on a roll so I had to throw that in there. 
Well, every ant is an ant, but if we call progressives an entity, how do we tell which individuals are members?
The problem is that people don’t know how to think.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g[/youtube]
Oh, well I was addressing this:
it originally allied itself more with socialism than capitalism, but today it’s less concerned with economics, and if anything has allied itself more with capitalism than socialism.
They pulled a fast-one and circumvented democracy without anyone being the wiser.
Now that video’s what I’m talking about Serendipper! 
“We got a witch!”
This one is pretty good too:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtYU87QNjPw[/youtube]
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government! 
That still cracks me up.
“Help, help, I’m being repressed!”
Have you seen the movie? I could probably feed it to you clip by clip from what I can tell about the number of uploads on youtube, though not sure any others have relevance to the thread unless we count general silliness in which case there is plenty of that 
Wendy
In an ideal world, accusation alone wouldn’t be enough for the whole village to turn against you, but unfortunately in this world, it’s enough, and so a false accusation is very damaging, comparable to the crime itself.
I don’t think so at all, for the reasons I gave, but some progressives seem to think so.
However, progressives are racist against whites all the time, they just don’t realize it, or care.
Depends on how much he stole, and who he stole it from, if he stole billions of dollars from poor people, than yea, he should receive life in prison, or death.
Deliberately missing the point.
Classy.
Serendipper
every ant is an ant, and so much more, every ant is the whole universe.
I think someone needs to brush up on their Alan Watts.
And someone said: you know a tree by the fruit it produces.
If it produces oranges, it’s not an apple tree.
Now people and their psychologies can be a little more complicated than trees, so you go with what they overwhelmingly produce.
Most people are rather simple, particularly when it comes to politics, they are a this or a that, and there’s a reason for that besides biology and chance, simple people are easier to manage.
Alan is a high-flying bird… way over my head.
(The higher we soar the smaller we appear to those who cannot fly. - Nietzsche)
Nice.
“Between the things known and unknown, are the doors.” -Jim Morrison
So racism is not murder, but a lie is rape? The racism could be a lie, so it could be both a rape and a murder.
BTW, I haven’t been watching the latest but who has been proven to have thrown a false rape accusation?
I wish the world was a better place so people would suspend their judgement until after an investigation in the very least (I’d much prefer criminal prosecution but many people luck out due to the statutes of limitations or the fact that there won’t be any formal investigation, period.) An inappropriate, sexually suggestive/explicit comment is not rape either, but you know how the liberal left blows damage up to ridiculous degrees. I know you want to blame the liar for the public’s reactions, but those life altering damages are perpetrated by those who choose, CHOOSE, to believe something without evidence and treat a person differently based on an unproven statement.
Yeah good luck with that.
2 Minute Hate is in full force now.
Welcome to leftism (death).