Accusations alone prove Nothing

I made a point.
I made several arguments for this point.
At this point, you’ve not even made a counterpoint, let alone an argument for it.
Instead, you’ve made two attempts to slander me.
Your first attempt was to suggest I’m a rape apologist without offering so much as an ounce of evidence or shred of proof for your suggestion, and it failed, miserably.
What a piece of shit you are, for suggesting that, how dare you!

Your second attempt was to accuse me of not giving a shit about men or women, of hating liberals, and of being juvenile, but you haven’t said why.
I could just as, if not more easily say, you don’t give a shit about men (but you do seem to care about women, or at least you feign to, in order to toe the party line), that you hate conservatives (I’m a socialist and an environemntalist btw, not that I even owe you that), and that your posts are juvenile…and I am saying it, but unlike you, I’m going to offer proof of my counteraccusations, because unlike you, I don’t think my accusations carry any weight just because I made them, or just because my party (I don’t have a party, I’m an independent, rigid adherence to political parties is one of the supreme marks of idiocy) holds them and has the arrogance to believe it is wholly incapable of wrongdoing.

Firstly, by claiming my point that we shouldn’t destroy the lives of men merely because they’ve been accused, without evidence or proof, of rape or sexual harassment, is an instance of not caring about women, when that’s not what it is, it is an instance of caring about men, by implication your position is that you think it’s right to destroy the lives of men who’ve merely been accused of rape or sexual harassment, but you’re too much of a slimy, degenerate coward to come right out and say it.
A person who gave much of a fuck about men, or was capable of doubting women on serious matters, wouldn’t hold a position like that, so you obviously don’t.
No you’re a misandrist, you hate men, and you’re a female supremacist, you think the word of women is superior to the word of men, because you think women are more honest and just than men, you think female life has more value than male life.

Secondly, it is I, not you, who have taken this opportunity to make a point, that we shouldn’t destroy the lives of men, or women for that matter, merely because they’ve been accused of rape or sexual harassment, and I’ve offered several arguments, where as you, not only failed to actually address them, but Ironically, all you’ve done so far, and all you’re probably capable of doing, is making baseless accusations against and mischaracterizations of me and anyone who takes up my position, and I am here to inform you that baseless accusations and mischaracterizations are not enough, they’re not enough to destroy the lives of men, and they’re not enough to trash me and my thread or anyone who takes up the position that it’s not okay to do that, asshole.

So why have you hitherto failed to address the obvious substance of this OP?
It’s probably because you’re guilty of the very things you’re accusing me of: of hating conservatives, or in other words, you’re projecting, you’ve become too deeply entrenched in your parties idiotic and dangerous position to seriously reexamine it, to think outside the left/right, black/white, all/nothing, liberal/conservative paradigm (my party right or wrong), because you are a coward and a lazy idiot.

Gloominary, don’t waste your time with Peter. He isn’t worth the effort.

While I haven’t had the displeasure of conversing with Peter until now, from what I have read from him so far, I’m practically certain you’re right about that.

What does a lumbering idiot do when you argue it’s wrong to destroy someone’s life solely on the basis of accusation?
Does he even attempt to make a counterargument somehow?
Of course not, that would be too difficult, he just hurls more accusation, at you, or anyone else who gets in his or his parties way, and people, or at least his idiotic ilk, eat it right up.
‘You’re a rape apologist’!
‘Or you just hate liberals, because I’m a liberal, and I can’t imagine having a debate about this with someone who’s not a conservative, and doesn’t hate liberals as much as I hate conservatives, because that’s how 3 dimensional, and rational, I am’.

To understand Peter you must understand that neo liberalism is the voice of God and anything contrary to this neo liberalism is Satan. That’s all you need to know.

In his eyes you’re Satan incarnate and CNN, NPR, or MSNBC neo liberal news rags is his version of the apostles. It’s the world perception he has limited himself to.

Also, he’s an ex communist or so he says anyways.

the simple reason I didn’t respond the points gloomy made was
they aren’t relevant to his post… his post was simply bashing liberals
and the method he used was about the very serious problem of the rape culture
in America… I don’t need to respond to a post that’s only value is to attack
liberals and liberalism…

Kropotkin

Me Too! Yeah whatever, I don’t care really.

K: I have had multiple political positions in my life and I have had multiple
philosophical positions…I have had three distinct and different political
positions in my life and at least 5 philosophical positions and in the process of
changing my philosophical position as we speak…no one is the devil because there
is no devil… and no god either, just people…I don’t watch CNN or NPR or MSNBC…
unless there is some breaking news I am interested in… as in today, with the firing
of Tillerson from the State dept…but the most interesting point made here is about
perceptions… we are our experiences and our perceptions of those experiences…
that is what a human being is… unlike you, I have escaped my childhood
myths, habits, prejudices and superstitions… I hold a different political position
then my mother… my father is long dead and I don’t know what his political position
was…do you hold a different ideals then your parents or are you still in the
chains of your childhood training… in other words, I suspect that your views were
formed as a child from the teachings of your parents, school, media and you never lost
those views…you are being held by the chains of your past because you lack the
courage of an attack on your convictions… instead you believe in the courage of
your convictions… which is another chain you live with… as for hate… I have
no need for hate… I leave that for conservatives because they are so in love with the
negative emotions and so in love with the lower or instinctual emotions like hate,
anger, lust, envy… I shall stay with my higher emotions of love, peace,
hope, justice, tolerance and equality…

Kropotkin

Yeah, I am still ignoring you. Save the text space for somebody that cares Peter.

Zero: Yeah, I am still ignoring you. Save the text space for somebody that cares Peter."

K: and the first honest thing you have written… you don’t care… at least
you are honest about that…

Kropotkin

You’re a sexist piece of shit, and you couldn’t philosophize your way out of a tiny cardboard box or paper bag.
You’re not here for honest, open and thoughtful dialogue, not even in the slightest, you’re here for diatribe.
I refuse to set an example of feeding trolls like you, and other jerk offs.
Now get the fuck off my thread.

And there is no ‘rape culture’ in America, perhaps there’s a rape sub-subculture, but there’s no rape culture, on the contrary, but why don’t you post a new thread on the subject and how liberals are so much more peaceful and loving than conservatives, and refrain from muddying this one up any further than you already have.

Gloom,
I appreciated your last post before the edit.

Not even about man-hating feminism, it’s more about respecting the rule of law and common sense. You know, those things that leftists (totalitarians)… don’t care for.

As you probably know by now, I myself hold some positions typically regarded as leftist.
I support socialism and environmentalism, so long as they’re what I see as executed properly.
Where I take issue with liberals, and where a growing number of people from all sides of the political spectrums take issue with them, conservatives, independents, even from within the liberal party, is their anti-white, Christian male agenda, often masquerading as liberty and equality for women and minorities.

But moreover, it’s gotten worse, it’s gotten to the point where they no longer believe they owe us any debate or explanation now.
Anyone who disagrees with them, even in the slightest, even diehards from within their own ranks are immediately misconstrued, derided, vilified and branded a racist, homophobic, sexist, Islamophobic Nazi, and swiftly socio-politically ostracized.
I mean even if you staunchly disagree with conservatives, at least republicans these days generally have the decency to, just keep on explaining themselves and their position as best they can, without resorting to name-calling, defamation, slander, threats and other extreme underhanded tactics.

There’s an alarmingly growing sense of entitlement and mob mentality now, and it’s alienating more and more people from them.
It’s gotten way out of hand.
They can just say and do whatever they want.
X is accused of rape, you express any doubt whatsoever, you’re a rape apologist and so on.
This mentality has to stop, and if it doesn’t, we’re probably going to start seeing mob lynchings if we haven’t already.

Arguably conveniently for the economic establishment, liberalism has become less about the economy, which used to be quite literally their meat and potatoes, their bread and butter a few decades ago (‘it’s the economy, stupid’!), and more about protecting women and minorities from discrimination at any cost, including the cost of protecting men and the majority from discrimination, in fact, it has become plain discrimination against men and the majority, and it has got to stop!

Behind all this I think the elite is knowingly fanning and fuelling the flames at least, if not downright lighting them themselves, between women and minorities and men and the majority, as part of the ol’, divide and rule tactic, so they can continue looting us all left, right and center.

even socialists and capitalists can agree on some things at least.
We both think ‘crony capitalism’ or corporatism is bad, that megabanks and corporations shouldn’t be receiving corporate welfare, tax loopholes and so on.
Where we disagree is whether just eliminating the systemic and widespread corruption is enough.
I say it’s not, for starters corporations have been looting us blind for decades if not centuries now.
Merely removing the existing corruption is insufficient.
The corporations have been getting monstrously rich off this corruption for far, much too long.
They owe us trillions of dollars in reparations, but anyhow, at least it’s a starting point, and I think both socialists and capitalists can agree the central banks are completely corrupt and need to be destroyed.

Right on.
Not respecting the rule of law is the worst crime.
They fallaciously and dangerously equate being accused of something with being convicted.
I don’t think all ‘leftists’ (not even sure there is such a thing as leftism, so much as a hodgepodge of disparate, loosely related ideologies somewhat artificially and arbitrarily lumped together historically for convenience) are totalitarians, there are many different schools of leftist thought, some of them arguably more libertarian than, ‘libertarians’, or what that word has come to mean in 21st century American thought, but it’s a subject that’s perhaps a bit too big for this thread.

Totalitarians don’t care for law? You mean the very thing they enforce far too much? Do u even read what you write? No common sense at all and you hate on others for lacking it…

And as if rightists never break the law or defy common sense lol. You make this way too easy.

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Peter Kropotkin: the simple reason I didn’t respond the points gloomy made was
they aren’t relevant to his post… his post was simply bashing liberals
and the method he used was about the very serious problem of the rape culture
in America… I don’t need to respond to a post that’s only value is to attack
liberals and liberalism…

Gloom:
You’re a sexist piece of shit, and you couldn’t philosophize your way out of a tiny cardboard box or paper bag.
You’re not here for honest, open and thoughtful dialogue, not even in the slightest, you’re here for diatribe.
I refuse to set an example of feeding trolls like you, and other jerk offs.
Now get the fuck off my thread.

K: and we have the anger issue… look, I am sorry you have anger issues and you
should probably see a professional for that… but I maintain that this thread was
created for the sole purpose of attacking liberals and liberalism…
and the continuing personal attacks seem to suggest that I am right…
I would suggest the failure here is yours and yours alone…
but not the reasons you may think…you have failed in the basic principle of
examining your basic principles for their truth…you have the courage of your convictions
but not the courage of an attack upon your convictions… you have failed the basic
point of being a philosopher which is to examine what you believe and see if it is true…
my point about having changed political viewpoints is to show that it is possible to
not only understand but to change one’s political viewpoint…as I have done, multiple times…
as an adult…I am willing to challenged my beliefs, attack my convictions as it were,
can you?

Kropotkin