Circling the wagons?

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Circling the wagons?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:02 am

Are we witnessing a "circling the wagons" event ... a defensive posture ... the first move in a "controlled demolition" movement similar to what the UK has been doing for the past century.

Just a feeling. :-)

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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:08 am

???
The temple mount will be rebuilt in Jerusalem and all the nations of the world will be ruled from there. All races, cultures, leaders, and nations will come to bow before the new messiah yet to come. All will come to know the chosen of God who refer themselves as Jews. For every Jew there will be a thousand goyim that will be their slaves as it was ordained by God. Every man, woman, and child will convert to Zionism.
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:48 am

Trump accepts offer to meet Kim Jong Un

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/08/poli ... index.html
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:48 am

There is something deeply pathological in the psyche of the West. It cannot accept anything less than full and unconditional submission. It has to control, to be in charge, and on top of everything; it has to feel exceptional. Even when it murders and ruins the entire Planet, it insists on feeling superior to the rest of the world.


Why the West Cannot Stomach Russians
https://journal-neo.org/2018/03/08/why- ... -russians/
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:02 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
There is something deeply pathological in the psyche of the West. It cannot accept anything less than full and unconditional submission. It has to control, to be in charge, and on top of everything; it has to feel exceptional. Even when it murders and ruins the entire Planet, it insists on feeling superior to the rest of the world.


Why the West Cannot Stomach Russians
https://journal-neo.org/2018/03/08/why- ... -russians/

Why the United States that dominates all other western nations hates Russia is because American Jews that for all intents or purposes owns the United States government can't stand the fact that they lost their stranglehold hold over Russia under Bolshevikism. They would like nothing more than to have that stranglehold over Russia once again.
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:29 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
There is something deeply pathological in the psyche of the West. It cannot accept anything less than full and unconditional submission. It has to control, to be in charge, and on top of everything; it has to feel exceptional. Even when it murders and ruins the entire Planet, it insists on feeling superior to the rest of the world.


Why the West Cannot Stomach Russians
https://journal-neo.org/2018/03/08/why- ... -russians/

Why the United States that dominates all other western nations hates Russia is because American Jews that for all intents or purposes owns the United States government can't stand the fact that they lost their stranglehold hold over Russia under Bolshevikism. They would like nothing more than to have that stranglehold over Russia once again.


Certainly a factor ... though not a complete picture ... the concurrent events in Fatima Portugal in 1917 ... and subsequent chatter ... are telling.
Gordon Chang: China’s Endgame Is ‘World Domination’


http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2018/03/ ... omination/
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:38 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
Certainly a factor ... though not a complete picture ... the concurrent events in Fatima Portugal in 1917 ... and subsequent chatter ... are telling.
Gordon Chang: China’s Endgame Is ‘World Domination’


http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2018/03/ ... omination/



Who was in chairman Mao's inner circle of advisors instrumental in the creation of the first Chinese communist state? Oh, that's right, Jews yet again.....
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:07 am

Jewish people have been in China for more than two millennia. Makes sense ... where money and trade exist the Jewish people are not far away ... ergo ... the silk road. :-)

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Most scholars agree that a Jewish community has existed in Kaifeng since the Northern Song Dynasty (960–1127), though some date their arrival to the Tang Dynasty (618–907) or earlier.[1] Kaifeng, then the capital of the Northern Song Dynasty, was a cosmopolitan city on a branch of the Silk Road. It is surmised that a small community of Jews, most likely from Persia or India, arrived either overland or by a sea route, and settled in the city, building a synagogue in 1163.[2]

During the Ming Dynasty (1368–1644), a Ming emperor conferred eight surnames upon the Jews, by which they are identifiable today: Ai, Shi, Gao, Gan, Jin, Li, Zhang, and Zhao. By the beginning of the 20th century one of these Kaifeng clans, the Zhang, had largely converted to Islam


Jewish people in China have long had contact(s) at the highest level ... Ricci was on the Emperor's payroll.

The existence of Jews in China was unknown to Europeans until 1605, when Matteo Ricci, then established in Beijing, was visited by a Jew from Kaifeng, who had come to Beijing to take examinations for his jinshi degree. According to his account in De Christiana expeditione apud Sinas,[5][6] his visitor, named Ai Tian (Ai T'ien; 艾田) explained that he worshipped one God. It is recorded that when he saw a Christian image of Mary with Jesus, he believed it to be a picture of Rebecca with Esau or Jacob. Ai said that many other Jews resided in Kaifeng; they had a splendid synagogue (礼拜寺 libai si) and possessed a great number of written materials and books.

About three years after Ai's visit, Ricci sent a Chinese Jesuit Lay Brother to visit Kaifeng; he copied the beginnings and ends of the holy books kept in the synagogue, which allowed Ricci to verify that they indeed were the same texts as the Pentateuch known to Europeans, except that they did not use Hebrew diacritics (which were a comparatively late invention).[7]


Jewish people have been part of Christianity since the beginning ... substitute the word "Russia" with the word "Orthodox" and you see a war that has continued since 800 AD

The Byzantine split with Roman Catholicism came about when Pope Leo III crowned Charlemagne, King of the Franks, as Holy Roman Emperor in 800. From the Byzantine viewpoint, this was a slap to the Eastern Emperor and the Byzantine Empire itself — an empire that had withstood barbarian invasions and upheld the faith for centuries. After Rome fell in 476, Byzantium was the only vestige of the Holy Roman Empire.
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:10 pm

[quote="pilgrim-seeker_tom"]Are we witnessing a "circling the wagons" event ... a defensive posture ... the first move in a "controlled demolition" movement similar to what the UK has been doing for the past century.

Just a feeling. :-)

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Somebody has to do it, otherwise an anarchy results from no clear target. Every one becomes suspect and that is what happens in the world wars. No trust , and nothing clearly visible. A fog descends.
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:03 pm

A fog descends.


Hmmm!

The 'fog' has always existed.

A serious 'fog' disables our cognitive faculties ... somethang may be there right in front of our nose yet we can't see it ... fog is analogous to 'darkness'.

The 'fog' at a macro level will never disperse until the 'fog' at an individual level is dispersed ... one individual at a time.

Part I
We’d like, of course, to think that we’re breathing out the air of gratitude, generosity, forgiveness, honesty, blessing, self-effacement, joy, delight. We’d also like to believe that we are breathing out the air of concern for the poor, the suffering, the unattractive, the bothersome. And, we’d like to believe too that we’re big-hearted people, breathing out understanding and reconciliation.

Would it were so. Too often we’re blind to what’s really going on inside us and are unconsciously breathing out the air of arrogance, self- interest, pettiness, jealousy, competition, fear, paranoia, dishonesty, interest in others only when it’s convenient, and are emitting signals that others are a threat to us as we seek attention and popularity, and jostle with them for sexual, financial, and professional position.


Part II
We can learn something from watching toddlers play. There’s a disarming, brutal honesty in them. They simply rip what they want from each others’ hands and try to shout louder than the rest to gain attention. We do the same thing, except in more subtle and less honest ways. Beneath the surface of our everyday politeness and decorum, in ways we don’t often have the courage to look at or acknowledge, we’re still toddlers trying to snatch the toys from each other and trying to shout louder than others to get attention. The real air we’re breathing out is fraught with self-interest, jealousy, competitiveness, pettiness, fear, and less than full honesty. In subtle, and not-so-subtle, ways we’re saying to each other:


Part III
Is it any mystery then that our lives are full of competition, jealousy, bitterness, anger, accusation, and false judgement? Is it a mystery why so often, beneath a polite surface, there is so much thinly disguised competition, jealousy, and non-forgiveness around? We’re breathing these things into the world, should we be surprised that we’re re-inhaling them? The measure we’re measuring out is the measure that we’re receiving.
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:13 pm

A descent into madness is equivocal to facts which surround. the and enclose the ones who mix facts with fabrications. True, attention seekwrs are suspect as delusional, nut there are others who are not, including one prominent German philosopher, whose claim to fame is such, as to see through the optical illusion of the trappings of such that makes grotesque visions of facts, and reverse them through unwanted analogy as the convex and the concave are seemingly irreversibly related.

But nothing is absolutely so, and expediency rules.

But in the shadow of appearances , invisibility rules
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:36 pm

In any event Pilgrim, I surely agree with what You are saying, and again, going on a furlough, one of deep see fishing, this time to acquaint myself with Maurice Ponty where his 'signs' was followed by 'visibility and invisibility' , among other things.

I still owe Gib a reading of his upcoming book for his son of which I promised a reading and a comment.. I think I must measure my depth in relation. to no longer as merely a factor alongside the raging of the river, but need to take the vastness and the expanse of the ocean, with its own behaviour at task. The river swept me far, and now I must prepare some measure of composure, so iwill not be swept away by the more serious tidal circumstances.
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:23 am

From the 'river' to the 'ocean'.

Hmmm!

An echo of the virus that's been around forever ... yet ... largely unknown ... the virus that leads to small minded(ness).

In keeping with the OP and Zero Sum's comments ...

What does the Jewish Diaspora and Empire have in common?

Some argue the Jewish diaspora started in 586 BC ... being the consequence of an Empire's actions.

Since 586 BC empires have come and gone ... both big and small ... seems the lifespan of empire is shrinking ... in keeping with universal trends ... eg ... the time line from abstract thought to physical manifestation in our material reality continues to shrink.

OTH ... the Jewish Diaspora remains vibrant and influential.

BTW ... 'Jewish Diaspora" is not synonymous with Zionism.
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Re: Circling the wagons?

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Re: Circling the wagons?

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pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:From the 'river' to the 'ocean'.

Hmmm!

An echo of the virus that's been around forever ... yet ... largely unknown ... the virus that leads to small minded(ness).

In keeping with the OP and Zero Sum's comments ...

What does the Jewish Diaspora and Empire have in common?

Some argue the Jewish diaspora started in 586 BC ... being the consequence of an Empire's actions.

Since 586 BC empires have come and gone ... both big and small ... seems the lifespan of empire is shrinking ... in keeping with universal trends ... eg ... the time line from abstract thought to physical manifestation in our material reality continues to shrink.

OTH ... the Jewish Diaspora remains vibrant and influential.

BTW ... 'Jewish Diaspora" is not synonymous with Zionism.



All the dispersion is the main causative factor in a devolition into more general symbols of attachment based on belief and ritialistic symbols. The more general and literal, the more binding , irrespective of place and time.
Thus the reverse development of intentional models , as if things were intended . This development was a safeguard against the negative aspects of dispersement: alienation and loss of identity.

These are primary defenses.
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:55 am

Insightful comments ... I'm sure ... though they're about 30,000 feet over my head. :-)

Back here at ground zero ... been thinking about the Jewish Diaspora:

1 )May have started long before 586 BC ... perhaps at the time of Noah's Ark ... legend has it that one of Noah's sons migrated to what is today China. Reinforces Matteo Ricci's 16-17th century intuition ... recently endorsed by Pope Francis ... the ancient Chinese knew the Western God.

2) Christianity should be considered part of the Jewish Diaspora given that Jesus and Mary were Jews. :-)
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby Meno_ » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:06 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Insightful comments ... I'm sure ... though they're about 30,000 feet over my head. :-)

Back here at ground zero ... been thinking about the Jewish Diaspora:

1 )May have started long before 586 BC ... perhaps at the time of Noah's Ark ... legend has it that one of Noah's sons migrated to what is today China. Reinforces Matteo Ricci's 16-17th century intuition ... recently endorsed by Pope Francis ... the ancient Chinese knew the Western God.

2) Christianity should be considered part of the Jewish Diaspora given that Jesus and Mary were Jews. :-)



All that written is simply expresses a belief that the continuity of the strength of Diaspora was based on an existential survival need , rather then on the pre-existence of some intentional God directed message, , through some trancendentally infused model., although
David's role, imputed the hand of God, through the burning bush revelation of God.Such imputation reveals the hand of God to the Diaspora, since the former pre-dates the later.( David's vision allegedly took place during the 13 th through the 12 the century B.C., much earlier then the Syrian empire associated to the Diaspora..

However, David may only have been a mythological figure, making the claim uncertain, as far as a the transdendental causation is concerned.

That is why, the question of a dubious event in history , allows the question to be made, whether described events came through a mysterious 'unconscious' source, or, through a construction. Your guess is as good as mine.


Germans, particularly , also made such mythological structure part of their claims, and attached rich symbolism. :The Odin myth, through Nordic sources, to construct such an undertow, has such structural basis, however it claims the sources of the myth more on the idea of mythological development as related to symbolism as a manifestation relating imminent psychic value to the transcendental meaning of it.

Finally, the intuition You mention is truly fascinating, but may be related to Catholic guilt over the Church's changing stance on the issues relating to Christian-Jewish relations
Some Catholic dogma is.germaine to politically unresolved issues, in forms of revising , or re-constructing unpopular models.

Don't get me wrong, Pilgrim, I'm a centrist, with neither, opinion one way or another, and in that sense share some opinions with regard to those, who believe that such judgement calls are above and beyond the kind of certainty, which would , or could finalize issues of this type.That would validate an unwarranted pretension , not called for.
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Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:47 pm

All that written is simply expresses a belief that the continuity of the strength of Diaspora was based on an existential survival need


The existential survival need is common to all of us ...no?

How many tribes went extinct ... literally ... while the remnants of others assimilated with stronger surviving tribes?

Triggered the memory of Matrilineality in Judaism ... despite being an intensely Patriarchal theology/culture the male sperm has no value ... only the female womb. Hmmm! Makes me wonder if this practice gave rise to the virgin birth theology.

Recently published research in the field of molecular genetics –- the study of DNA sequences –- indicates that Jewish populations of the various Diaspora communities have retained their genetic identity throughout the exile. Despite large geographic distances between the communities and the passage of thousands of years, far removed Jewish communities share a similar genetic profile. This research confirms the common ancestry and common geographical origin of world Jewry.


Wonder how many people are unaware they possess this particular DNA sequence? :-)

Finally, the intuition You mention is truly fascinating, but may be related to Catholic guilt over the Church's changing stance on the issues relating to Christian-Jewish relations


Some people suggest it's a consequence of the re-emergence of China as a considerable world power. Ricci is revered by current Chinese leadership ... and nothing to do with theology ... Ricci introduced Euclidian geometry and more to the Chinese elite/intellectuals of his day.

Lots of stuff is happening ... in time we may come to understand why. :-)
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby Meno_ » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:33 pm

So, in effect, how does the possible Trump visit suggest the ingenious circling of the wagon scenario? Is it simply revealing a dual aspect of western civilization to pretty much a monist-pan psychic culture , by trying to trick them into subservience , by picking them off one by one, as if seemingly , they are assumed not to know that they would not be eliminared en-mass, rather them singularly?

It was suggested that Trump might be crazy, bit as a fox, and all Kim has on him is the barrage of opinions, tweets, and a read of ' The Art of the Deal.'. Would it be fair to believe that Trump knows a lot more about Kim and his mythos, through the alleged incompetence of U.S. intelligence agencies, or perhaps Russia has his paw in this as well?

What here is the metaphore of the 0 painted on the wagon, other then a staged (forgive the pun) , or diversion of the actual mark -goal- , which may not be based on innate reasoning?

If this approach was not primarily intended, and used merely as an apparent diversion, no feathers ruffled, by either.-You and me; or Trump and Kim. I'm pretty sure about the former, but very unsure of the later.

Which brings me to the idea , contemplated as we speak, of heated debates about the value of the visit, it is said by some to be not worth the level of risque.
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby Meno_ » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:03 pm

The deal is off. Sarah Sanders, Trump's press secretary announced at a media briefing that the deal is off, apparently implying that Trump was babbling again.Just came in today.
So the question becomes mute, I guess, and may be was a diversion. But does that nullify the Your intent in publishing circling the wagon, or am I being delusional?
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:48 am

1) The global psychosocial temperature is rising ... enabled by recent advances in communication technology and products.

2) Your word in another thread "compression" ... steadily increasing compression is the consequence.

3) My feeling ... controlled demolition ... is a logical outcome.
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Re: Circling the wagons?

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pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:1) The global psychosocial temperature is rising ... enabled by recent advances in communication technology and products.

2) Your word in another thread "compression" ... steadily increasing compression is the consequence.

3) My feeling ... controlled demolition ... is a logical outcome.



My feeling coincides however an added gut feeling that it's a very risque attempt, and the stakes are incredibly high. So much so that it puts most into denial or other defensive postures.

It actually reflects the deflection-through refraction of almost all available information sources.
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To most available receptions such is interpreted as an either or situation. Either find the appropriate thermodynamic mix, or the thing blows, demolition can not as of yet be gauged to that level of calibration. That's the greatest arbiter at the present time . What of, what if, what if not, is the siren song haunting the magic in the air.
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:54 am

The outcome can only be positive ... without the effort the current trajectory clearly points to planetary self destruction.

Just wish the NK challenge was the only one ... as I mentioned in my previous post ... with the compression increasing by the hour it can blow up anywhere ... anytime.

Hang on to your seatbelt. :D
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby Zero_Sum » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:26 am

Just get the new world war over with as I am sick of all the pretension. The United States is a wasteland and needs to be cleansed in more ways than one. Let's ride this bitch into oblivion.
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Re: Circling the wagons?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:38 am

Some say ... be careful what you wish for. :D

You may not have long to wait ... The Pentagon’s “Ides of March”: Best Month to Go to War

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Timeline of March Military Interventions (1965- 2017)

Recent history confirms that with the exception of Afghanistan (October 2001) and the 1990-91 Gulf War, all major US-NATO led military operations over a period of almost half a century –since the invasion of Vietnam by US ground forces on March 8, 1965– have been initiated in the month of March.

The Vietnam War

The US Congress adopted the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which authorized President Lyndon Johnson to dispatch ground forces to Vietnam on March 8, 1965.

On 8 March 1965, 3,500 U.S. Marines were dispatched to South Vietnam marking the beginning of “America’s ground war”.

NATO’s War on Yugoslavia

NATO’s war on Yugoslavia was launched on March 24, 1999.

The NATO bombing of Yugoslavia code-named by the US Operation “Noble Anvil”. started on March 24, 1999 and lasted until June 10, 1999.

The Iraq War

The War on Iraq was launched on March 20, 2003. (Baghdad time)

The US-NATO led invasion of Iraq started on 20 March 2003 on the pretext that Iraq possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD).

(The 1991 Gulf War on Iraq began on 17th January. However, after the 28th February ceasefire was agreed and signed – following the Basra Road massacre of withdrawing soldiers and fleeing civilians on 26th/27th February – the US 24th Mechanised Infantry Division slaughtered thousands on 2nd March.“)

The Covert War on Syria

The US-NATO Covert War on Syria was initiated on March 15, 2011 with the incursion of Islamist mercenaries and death squads in the southern city of Daraa on the border with Jordan. The terrorists were involved in acts of arson as well as the killings of civilians. This incursion of terrorists was from the very outset supported covertly by the US, NATO and its Persian Gulf allies: Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

NATO’s “Humanitarian” R2P War on Libya

NATO commenced its bombing of Libya on March 19, 2011. The United Nations Security Council passed an initial resolution on 26 February 2011 (UNSC Resolution 1970), (adopted unanimously).

A subsequent United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 was adopted on 17 March 2011. It authorized the establishment of “a no-fly zone” over Libya, and the use “all necessary measures” “to protect the lives of civilians”.

Libya was bombed relentlessly by NATO warplanes starting on March 19, 2011 for a period of approximately seven months.

Yemen

On 25 March 2015, an international coalition led by Saudi Arabia and supported by the US launched air strikes against the Huthi armed group in Yemen.

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March 2018

The US and its NATO allies, not to mention Israel, are on a war footing.

Several military scenarios in March 2018 are on the drawing board of the Pentagon including Lebanon, Syria (military escalation scenario), North Korea and Iran.

Russia is threatened and so is China.
"Do not be influenced by the importance of the writer, and whether his learning be great or small; but let the love of pure truth draw you to read. Do not inquire, “Who said this?” but pay attention to what is said”

Thomas Kempis 1380-1471
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