Nationalize Food & Housing

It’ll be so long before that’s an issue that it would be foolish to focus on that issue rather than more immediate needs. No one saw fracking coming. How long until Qatar runs out of LNG and starts fracking there? What about the Aramco IPO? You don’t think the Saudi’s are going to come through with their economic revitalization plan once oil hits 100 a barrel again? They can get it from the sands for next to nothing and they’ve got enough to last generations. Don’t be confused about the price of oil as it relates to scarcity. You already understand the concept of artificial scarcity. There’s enough under the ground to burn for longer than we can even envision…it’s just a matter of it being worth it to get it to someone who can get it but doesn’t need it for themselves. What about offshore drilling? What about the discovery off the coast of Guyana? What about when the time finally rolls around that Southern Company’s Kemper plant becomes economically viable? What about the next generation of extraction technology that replaces fracking once fracking can’t extract any more? Energy is, without question, the most important and the most demanded product across all of humanity. Everyone’s got a political opinion until they’re freezing in the cold. You’d be smart to believe that people in power know this, and plan on using that knowledge to their advantage. The smartest and most capable people on Earth will be the ones who continue to figure out how to keep the lights on…and I think they’ve got more tricks up their sleeves than you might realize.

I lived in a drafty ass tiny house when I was a kid that used a cast iron, wood burning stove for heat. So we would drag in logs from outside and throw them in there. My room was a bit of a hallway between the room with the stove and the shitter. So I’d sleep on this floor next to that hot piece of cast iron to keep from being cold in the winter. It sucked man. People aren’t going to go to that kind of lifestyle without trying everything else first, including genocide and nuclear war.

Well, then we’ll warm ourselves to nuclear reactors as we slowly die from radiation exposure bitterly clinging onto rifles. Whatever…

Nah man. We put those reactors in the flyover states and make those farmers move to the cities. Then we start importing beef from Argentina and fruit from the rest of South America. It’ll be fine.

How are you going to move freight with peak oil and natural resources at its zenith globally again? You meant by sail boats right?

Put that shit on a donkey. Feed the donkey nuclear monsanto soybeans. When it shits, let the people in South America burn it’s shit for heat.

Wow man, that’s a rocket scientist tier response right there. A genius level solution if I ever seen one. :laughing:

A lot of people use donkeys. They’re more energy efficient than a prius.

Sounds like you have the answers for everything. :laughing:

Yeah.

Well, I look forward to your donkey dung powered future economy. :laughing:

I am sure it will be great and outstanding.

MIT wrote an article about three years ago where it summarized that global energy and natural resource consumption of the entire planet will hit the brick wall of reality as early as 2050.

Sure, that is still thirty two years away but happen it will.

Government doesn’t need private companies.
Again, it can just print the money it needs to takeover and maintain food and housing.
Taxes and borrowing money from (central) banks are obsolete practices.

Right, we can produce food and housing many times cheaper and more efficiently than we could half a century ago, because we’ve replaced workers with cheaper and more efficient machines we run on coal, gas, hydroelectricity, oil, uranium and so on, fuels that give you dozens-hundreds of times more bang for your buck, but instead of these essential commodities becoming cheaper as they should have, capitalists have instead, increased, the prices, making themselves monstrously rich in the process, using all that money to have fun at our expense, and also reinvesting it in increasingly meaningless production, which’s why we have so many superfluous products and waste, pollution, taking a tremendous toll on the environment, and causing us to deplete these non-renewable resources at a much faster rate than we otherwise would have.
This is why all essential goods and services must be socialized and/or syndicalized.
The inessential ones I don’t care as much about, perhaps most of them will wither away and die, once we’re not compelled by hunger and cold to both produce and consume them, and the remaining will naturally become fairer, because again, we won’t be coerced by hunger and cold to produce and consume them.

Americans are lazy, what?
Americans are some of the hardest working, greediest and most materialistic slaves on earth.
If anything, Americans need to slooow, the fuck, down.

See this is why modern society is stupid:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time

We’re able to exploit the environment hundreds of times more efficiently than cave men, yet we have to work twice as hard as cave men to survive, producing hundreds of times more things than we need, by and large so the upper (middle) classes can consume them, because capitalists refuse to share the wealth.
It’s just mind bogglingly insane…and that’s why we’re all going to die soon.
We’re gong extinct…Mother Nature’s botched experiment.

The rise in life expectancy has at least been grossly exaggerated, if not downright fabricated.
It’s mostly infant mortality that’s been reduced, not the lifespan of people who live passed infancy that’s been extended.
I’m not even sure the life expectancy for hunter-gatherer and agrarian societies was much lower than ours, I don’t think there’s been much documentation of their life expectancies.
As for early modern urban societies, their infant mortality rate was higher than ours, and it saw a reduction thanks to modern medicine, and/or diets becoming more nutritious and varied, like diets originally were when we were hunter-gatherers.

If we look at the work of maverick scientists like Weston Price and those who followed up on it, traditional hunter-gatherer and agrarian societies were healthier and may have lived as long or longer than us.
I don’t think we’ve gotten healthier so much as better at keeping increasingly sicklier people alive with drugs and things.
My guess is that at some point because of mostly modern diseases like cancer and diabetes, life expectancy is going to swing the other way, and decline.
I mean how obese, irradiated and toxified can we continue to get before modern medical practices can’t keep pace with our failing health, and life expectancy begins to recede?

Modern people are the fattest and sickliest people who’ve ever walked, escalated, driven, or wheel chaired across the face of the earth, the latest generation is continually fatter than the previous one, and this trend is showing no end in sight, thanks to contemporary tech and convenience.
If we don’t take steps to reverse course, people are just going to get sicklier and sicklier, reducing life expectancy and fertility…which I suppose is a good thing in some ways, but if we decline too haphazardly and rapidly, at some point we might just collapse, and then it’ll be back to square one, year zero, the dark ages, which, well, might not be such a bad thing after all I suppose, perhaps they weren’t so dark after all *shrugs, maybe we’re dark.

The robots.

FWD to 2:48:00 and listen until 2:54:00 (change setting to 1.25 speed)

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5McTV4rv8k[/youtube]

Nonsense-work and busy-work has to be created to keep people working because of the popular hangup that people must suffer for money since we believe, as good protestants, that the devil finds work for idle hands to do.

So if “pride comes before a fall” implies religion, then so does the good old fashioned necessitation that people must suffer for money because the devil will come if they don’t.

I’ve put this illustration before a couple people:

Suppose we make a deal that I come live with you if I do certain chores. We agree to the terms, then I build a machine that does all the chores and I decide to pile-up on your hammock while eating your food. Without a doubt, before long you’d be pissed that I’m laying around doing nothing to justify my existence and you’d demand that I undertake more work above and beyond what the machine is doing simply because you couldn’t stomach the idea.

All these machines we have… washing machines, dish washers, microwave ovens, vacuum cleaners, cars, and we still have no time for anything because we’re compelled to take on more and more work to justify our existence. An 18th century housewife might dream of how much free time she would have if she had machines doing everything, but that isn’t how it turned out, is it.

Oh, if only I didn’t have to lug this washboard down to the river in order to scrub clothing, I could instead go get a job at walmart helping to make shareholders rich.

I second that! paleoleap.com/why-cavemen-didnt-die-young/

If you could survive being a baby and having a baby, you were probably going to live a long time. Sexy women back then weren’t the stick figures of today, but those of a shape that is likely to survive giving birth. Look at old art.

Once again this is what happens when you let an oligarchy or aristocracy run wild without any stop measure to control them, better yet they control the financial purse strings of democracy where you can’t vote your way out it. Hell, they bankroll and fund the voter counters or representatives. Once again democracy is a shit system and utterly fails.

They will keep sucking the blood and life force of any nation fattening or indulging themselves until a nation simply dies.

When they control the money supply, democracy, courts, laws, political representation, military, and police the only option left is violent revolution! There is no other recourse! There is no other options! There is no negotiating, peace, or diplomacy with these people!

Until people start understanding all of that nothing changes.

Perhaps democracy has to get worse before it gets better.
If it gets bad enough, newer, better and more independent parties may arise, and people might vote for them, as well as demanding more checks on voter fraud.
Nationalism is gaining a bit of traction these days, and while socialism is not, perhaps it too will gain traction in the coming years-decades as our economies continue to decline.